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Post by ctmazin on Dec 8, 2011 9:54:38 GMT -5
Personally, I find it harder to find a band that plays a set full of songs I love than I do finding a band playing a set of prodominantly fair-to-middling songs with energy. Frankly...there are a lot of those around. That is why I made the effort to travel to see Noel and I didn't make the effort to travel to see BDI. I can find energetic bands with generally average songs and a couple really good ones closer to home...even if Liam Gallagher doesn't happen to front them. Neither of them are the full package. That's for sure. But I got something from the Noel gig that I can't get at another gig. There is no gig out there that I can hear EOTR, Wonderwall, TIOBI, TDOYAM, BA, RM, SOTWB, WAL, Supersonic, HTWA, IIHAG, DLBIA, and Freaky Teeth at. We'll see after the second BDI album. If they can make a great ones and have a set full of tunes that I'd love to hear live, I will be more than willing to travel to Vancouver or Toronto to see them. But I am not willing to sacrifice the time or money to see them if the songs aren't there just because the crowd or the band are energetic. Right now I would assume they are definitely worth the price of admission...but they aren't worth my travel costs yet. Its just a question of taste. I really haven't seriously considered going to see Noel at any point. His show's are a mid-tempo bonanza, at least at a BDI gig there is far more variation of songs but I don't really know why people are making this a 'rock' issue. BDI have slower songs its just their show is a lot more cleverly sequenced for me. God forbid that Noel should throw in a 'Step Out' or something but instead you get an acoustic Supersonic thats strips the heart out of everything that was good about it in the first place. I just think Noel has become the tepid, self-satisfied, 'elder statesman of rock' the papers have been telling him he is for the last 10 years. I could make sweeping statements about Liam's drawbacks as an artist. But I won't. The constant insults are just noise. It's all about personal taste. For me, Oasis is mostly about the songs. I could give a shit that Noel doesn't rock out as hard as he did when he was 25 or 30. I don't rock as hard as I did when I was first an Oasis fan. For those of us who appreciate a great songwriter and aren't bothered by the fact he doesn't write Bring It On Downs anymore, Noel's more our man. For those of who like a bit of menace and swagger and a unique voice, BDI's probably more up your alley. But I don't get the people who just live to hate on one or the other. Is it not possible to appreciate both, if unequally? I have room on my ipod for some classical, some mindless pop, some elctronica and some country. Why is it so hard for people to bridge the very narrow stylistic gap between Noel and Liam? I mean, I get personal preferences and all, and I get that 4LW rocks harder and better than anything on Noel's album, but it is essentially very similar music in the larger scheme of things. I just cannot fathom supposedly huge Oasis fans who make sweeping statements like "I've never considered going to see Noel". Really? Do you really mean that? I mean, I have a strong preference for Noel, but I went to see BDI when they were in Toronto and would see them again--because I loved Oasis and Liam was a huge part. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 8, 2011 10:13:46 GMT -5
Personally, I find it harder to find a band that plays a set full of songs I love than I do finding a band playing a set of prodominantly fair-to-middling songs with energy. Frankly...there are a lot of those around. That is why I made the effort to travel to see Noel and I didn't make the effort to travel to see BDI. I can find energetic bands with generally average songs and a couple really good ones closer to home...even if Liam Gallagher doesn't happen to front them. Neither of them are the full package. That's for sure. But I got something from the Noel gig that I can't get at another gig. There is no gig out there that I can hear EOTR, Wonderwall, TIOBI, TDOYAM, BA, RM, SOTWB, WAL, Supersonic, HTWA, IIHAG, DLBIA, and Freaky Teeth at. We'll see after the second BDI album. If they can make a great ones and have a set full of tunes that I'd love to hear live, I will be more than willing to travel to Vancouver or Toronto to see them. But I am not willing to sacrifice the time or money to see them if the songs aren't there just because the crowd or the band are energetic. Right now I would assume they are definitely worth the price of admission...but they aren't worth my travel costs yet. Its just a question of taste. I really haven't seriously considered going to see Noel at any point. His show's are a mid-tempo bonanza, at least at a BDI gig there is far more variation of songs but I don't really know why people are making this a 'rock' issue. BDI have slower songs its just their show is a lot more cleverly sequenced for me. God forbid that Noel should throw in a 'Step Out' or something but instead you get an acoustic Supersonic thats strips the heart out of everything that was good about it in the first place. I just think Noel has become the tepid, self-satisfied, 'elder statesman of rock' the papers have been telling him he is for the last 10 years. See and there-in lies the difference between us. You like to believe that I am exactly the mirror image of you. Biased against Liam to the same extent that you are to Noel. You live in the UK, don't you? I live in Canada. If Liam and BDI were coming to a Canadian or even American city within 3-4 hours of me I would travel to it in a heartbeat. When I say I won't travel for a BDI gig it's because the nearest gig is probably a 12 hour drive one way. 24 hours in a car round-trip or probably around $600-700 for a roundtrip plane ticket plus hotels. My travel costs are substantial...which is why I say BDI aren't worth it yet. You on the other hand won't go when Noel's probably playing in a town no more than an hour or 2 from you if not your actual town. Fact is that despite the fact that I much prefer Noel to Liam personally and musically. I am a far more equitable fan than you are. I say they are both worth the price of admission...unlike you. |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 8, 2011 11:29:28 GMT -5
When I say I won't travel for a BDI gig it's because the nearest gig is probably a 12 hour drive one way. 24 hours in a car round-trip or probably around $600-700 for a roundtrip plane ticket plus hotels. My travel costs are substantial...which is why I say BDI aren't worth it yet. I get what you're saying, I wouldn't travel to see BDI either, and I would have to see Noel because of the Oasis songs. But now, I've seen Noel live, I'll go again, but I wouldn't travel to do it. For Oasis, I spent fortune to see them in different citys or different country, I don't regret it one bit. But I needed to see BDI to see Liam in action again, I really missed him at Noel's gig, and I missed the rest of the band as well. So if Liam does Oasis songs, things would be a lot different. The highligts of Noel's show are Oasis song and the accoustic set, the rest goes from boring to great songs not really well delivered, Noel is not comfortable singing them, WAL is awful live. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 8, 2011 11:44:15 GMT -5
I loved EOTR, BA, SOTWB, IIHAG, Freaky Teeth, RM live. They were are really well delivered. He still has some work to do on his falsetto bits in TDOYAM and WAL but I think his vocal performance has been steadily improving. The Dutch gig that was streamed had bits of improvement over the Toronto one. I'll make the effort to see him again next tour Oasis tunes or not. It'll be interesting to see what's changed...Noel will have dozens of gigs under his belt instead of just 6 and who knows who'll be in the band. Plus there'll be a whole other albums worth of tunes which will hopefully be as good as HFB.
The highlight for me was EOTR which was fantastic and Broken Arrow as it's my favorite off the album and one of my favorites that he's ever done.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 8, 2011 11:59:45 GMT -5
The highlight for me was EOTR which was fantastic and Broken Arrow as it's my favorite off the album and one of my favorites that he's ever done. EBOTR is my favourite on the album, live it was ok, but the piano solo doesn't capture the magic of the strings. As for Broken arrow, it's not really an important song it his career at all, it's like POTQ in better,and live it wasn't really great. But it's your taste, they're just weirds (just kidding). The hilights at my gigs were obviously HTWA, Wonderwall, DLBIA and for the solo material RM and Freeky teeth. And I really don't get how anyone can like IIAG live with this heavy drums ruining it. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 8, 2011 12:39:43 GMT -5
The highlight for me was EOTR which was fantastic and Broken Arrow as it's my favorite off the album and one of my favorites that he's ever done. EBOTR is my favourite on the album, live it was ok, but the piano solo doesn't capture the magic of the strings. As for Broken arrow, it's not really an important song it his career at all, it's like POTQ in better,and live it wasn't really great. But it's your taste, they're just weirds (just kidding). The hilights at my gigs were obviously HTWA, Wonderwall, DLBIA and for the solo material RM and Freeky teeth. And I really don't get how anyone can like IIAG live with this heavy drums ruining it. The drums don't bother me and I don't see why you and a couple others are so hung up on them. I'm assuming you don't like them on the album version either. But to each their own. But for me a good chunk of the new songs were performed really well...even of it's not to your taste. And presumably any that could use work will only continue to get better as Noel continues to learns his craft. I expect he'll be even better live next time I see him after a hundred gigs than he was 7 gigs into his solo tour. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 8, 2011 12:58:54 GMT -5
Noel for me. Noel is worth the $60. BDI aren't worth the $40. Have you been to a BE show? Yes. And I may attend my 2nd tonight. But my enthusiasm is pretty low to travel in the cold to a gig by myself on a Thursday night. We'll see. |
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Post by ctmazin on Dec 8, 2011 13:07:11 GMT -5
EBOTR is my favourite on the album, live it was ok, but the piano solo doesn't capture the magic of the strings. As for Broken arrow, it's not really an important song it his career at all, it's like POTQ in better,and live it wasn't really great. But it's your taste, they're just weirds (just kidding). The hilights at my gigs were obviously HTWA, Wonderwall, DLBIA and for the solo material RM and Freeky teeth. And I really don't get how anyone can like IIAG live with this heavy drums ruining it. The drums don't bother me and I don't see why you and a couple others are so hung up on them. I'm assuming you don't like them on the album version either. But to each their own. But for me a good chunk of the new songs were performed really well...even of it's not to your taste. And presumably any that could use work will only continue to get better as Noel continues to learns his craft. I expect he'll be even better live next time I see him after a hundred gigs than he was 7 gigs into his solo tour. He doesn't have to get better live. It's just a vocal minority who don't like Noel live here. Coincidentally enough, its the same people who rag on Noel regularly about everything else. Most people thought it was a great show, new songs included (excepting WAL of course...). |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 8, 2011 13:35:28 GMT -5
The drums don't bother me and I don't see why you and a couple others are so hung up on them. I'm assuming you don't like them on the album version either. But to each their own. But for me a good chunk of the new songs were performed really well...even of it's not to your taste. And presumably any that could use work will only continue to get better as Noel continues to learns his craft. I expect he'll be even better live next time I see him after a hundred gigs than he was 7 gigs into his solo tour. He doesn't have to get better live. It's just a vocal minority who don't like Noel live here. Coincidentally enough, its the same people who rag on Noel regularly about everything else. Most people thought it was a great show, new songs included (excepting WAL of course...). I never said he didn't like the show, I had a great time and i was really into it all show long. I just don't think the show I've seen can began to compare to the 6 oasis shows I've seen. And I've noticed a few default, like the low mixing voice or the druming, that's all. I just don't get when people say, it's normal Noel is pop or folk now, he's not rock. Well he was for 18 years, so I'm not particulary glad he won't ever write some songs like TSOTL. I'm not glad to have 3 60's kind of song on an album, dream on is an average b side for me. I don't get either what people see in Supersonic accousticly. It's not because Noel takes his guitare alone on stage and plays an Oasis song that everyone has to find this version great. Supersonic really doesn't belong in this cathegory. Like tomslivesforever said it takes everything that's good in the song. It's a reminder of Liam, it's unecessary. I would rather see him do slide away or something like that in his accoustic set. |
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Post by ctmazin on Dec 8, 2011 14:01:08 GMT -5
He doesn't have to get better live. It's just a vocal minority who don't like Noel live here. Coincidentally enough, its the same people who rag on Noel regularly about everything else. Most people thought it was a great show, new songs included (excepting WAL of course...). I never said he didn't like the show, I had a great time and i was really into it all show long. I just don't think the show I've seen can began to compare to the 6 oasis shows I've seen. And I've noticed a few default, like the low mixing voice or the druming, that's all. I just don't get when people say, it's normal Noel is pop or folk now, he's not rock. Well he was for 18 years, so I'm not particulary glad he won't ever write some songs like TSOTL. I'm not glad to have 3 60's kind of song on an album, dream on is an average b side for me. I don't get either what people see in Supersonic accousticly. It's not because Noel takes his guitare alone on stage and plays an Oasis song that everyone has to find this version great. Supersonic really doesn't belong in this cathegory. Like tomslivesforever said it takes everything that's good in the song. It's a reminder of Liam, it's unecessary. I would rather see him do slide away or something like that in his accoustic set. I love Supersonic. It is in my top 5 Oasis songs of all time. I love the way Liam sings that song. I love the guitars' swagger. Having said that, it was the best song I heard at Noel's acoustic set in Toronto. It's very different, but it was beautiful. The spareness strips away the swagger, but really emphasizes how good the melody and lyrics are. And Noel sings it very well. Basically, it's just a great song, done differently. It doesn't detract from the fact that the original will always be the definitive version. And I think it is odd that you'd prefer he's sing Slide Away. To me, SA is Liam's finest vocal of all. The problem with Noel doing hard rock is that he would not be able to pull off a pummelling rock song like TSOTL or BIOD. If he went up there and did that, he would face a barrage of criticism from the very same people who are criticizing him for going soft. We all have our quibbles with what Noel is doing (I wish he would have been a bit more adventurous in the production), but ultimately we have a group of great new songs and a group of very enjoyable live shows. No, all of us don't love all the songs on the setlist, and AOTR should be on the album instead of SBAJF, and WAL sucks live, and the guitarist doesn't have much flash.... But on the whole, Noel has come through. |
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Post by youandmegirl on Dec 8, 2011 14:30:15 GMT -5
Ahh, I see, okay: it's not really the point that you add more non-Oasis songs into the preference than, say, Oasis songs, but you made it a point to add the Oasis songs within that mix (e.g. "There is no gig out there that I can hear...Wonderwall...Supersonic...DLBIA [at the moment, like]" etc etc. You see, given the ambient volume of your own live4ever.proboards.com life's noise of spin and rhetoric and context that I know I'm not alone in finding you more than dependable on the subjective realm. So as far as the "personal pronoun" as modifier is concerned, being "personal" is not as really front-loaded as you would suggest, the one that I expect for those--who prefer a Beady Eye gig over a Noel Gallagher's Flying Birds--winces at and would prefer not to see you utter or rather, suggest even in the most reassuring context, since the rhetoric of such reassurances can be self-nullifying, like how you asserted that "There is no gig out there that I can hear EOTR, Wonderwall, TIOBI, TDOYAM, BA, RM, SOTWB, WAL, Supersonic, HTWA, IIHAG, DLBIA, and Freaky Teeth at.", which is quite redundant, considering all the Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds songs, for what I know, have only been performed by the Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds in a front of a paying audience, in front of proper fans of said band, at a proper venue no less. As in, say, running a classified ad for oneself as a caretaker of children and putting "DON'T WORRY -- NOT A PEDOPHILE!" at the bottom of the ad. You see, my general point is I suspect that part of why the "personal" is so loaded and dicey a position in regards to exclusivity here is that it is so much-invoked here that it is a form of a dismissal of the other side without you being aware of it, or at least willing to admit-- that YOU lack self-awareness, even though you had used the "personal" as a crux, of just how much subcontracting and outsourcing you really do. Case in point: you have resort to slandering me of being duplicitous, of course such self-assuredness is as false and hasty as your determined transparency. Dude, we're just a bunch of fans here. Not friends. We all have our preferences within our fandom, and we're here to express them. That is not a bad thing. Obviously, there isn't enough of an outlet for us to express them in the rest of our daily lives so we come here and talk about the band we loved so fucking much it made us want to talk about them every day, and sometimes we don't care what anyone else thinks. It's ok. It's passion. Your mind, brilliant as it may be, might benefit from being put to better use. Dude, you totally didn't get what I was trying to get across--and my previous response was obviously directed at a particular member morelikes. And, like, why was your above statement emphatically directed me, for I have neither contradicted nor promoted your stance on beings having an outlet, through communal or non-communal means or otherwise; in fact, I'm quite ambivalent to it- to the point I'm beginning to question the meaning of why I myself am indeed here on this Earth, much less this here messageboard, yes? So save your kind pointed convenient philantropic work for someone who really needs it...I dunno, you lack timing, dude. |
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Post by jilliam on Dec 8, 2011 15:36:43 GMT -5
I just think Noel has become the tepid, self-satisfied, 'elder statesman of rock' the papers have been telling him he is for the last 10 years. RIGHT?! I thought I was the only one who saw this as well. Its like he's trying to land himself up there with the likes of Weller and Macca. He's up on stage doing his bit, like he doesn't even want to be there. I'm not saying he has to jump around and do some sort of little groove, but his delivery isn't well. And it goes back to some were born to be front men (Liam), and some aren't. And its clear that Noel just isn't one of them, never has been. Hence why The Inspirals turned him down when he auditioned, why he never bothered to front his own band and joined Liam's. Noel is the perfect guitarist/songwriter, hands fuckin down, however he should stop listening to the million little people feeding him falsehoods all bc they need a job. Noels solo is good just needs someone to better project his songs, as he did with Oasis. His current cover of Supersonic is lifeless yet everyone cheers, but its all for the nostalgia factor as are all of the other Oasis songs he's playing. smh. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Dec 8, 2011 15:53:30 GMT -5
Personally, I find it harder to find a band that plays a set full of songs I love than I do finding a band playing a set of prodominantly fair-to-middling songs with energy. Frankly...there are a lot of those around. That is why I made the effort to travel to see Noel and I didn't make the effort to travel to see BDI. I can find energetic bands with generally average songs and a couple really good ones closer to home...even if Liam Gallagher doesn't happen to front them. Neither of them are the full package. That's for sure. But I got something from the Noel gig that I can't get at another gig. There is no gig out there that I can hear EOTR, Wonderwall, TIOBI, TDOYAM, BA, RM, SOTWB, WAL, Supersonic, HTWA, IIHAG, DLBIA, and Freaky Teeth at. We'll see after the second BDI album. If they can make a great ones and have a set full of tunes that I'd love to hear live, I will be more than willing to travel to Vancouver or Toronto to see them. But I am not willing to sacrifice the time or money to see them if the songs aren't there just because the crowd or the band are energetic. Right now I would assume they are definitely worth the price of admission...but they aren't worth my travel costs yet. Its just a question of taste. I really haven't seriously considered going to see Noel at any point. His show's are a mid-tempo bonanza, at least at a BDI gig there is far more variation of songs but I don't really know why people are making this a 'rock' issue. BDI have slower songs its just their show is a lot more cleverly sequenced for me. God forbid that Noel should throw in a 'Step Out' or something but instead you get an acoustic Supersonic thats strips the heart out of everything that was good about it in the first place. I just think Noel has become the tepid, self-satisfied, 'elder statesman of rock' the papers have been telling him he is for the last 10 years. this.... oh and /thread |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 8, 2011 15:58:44 GMT -5
I'm not having this bad mouthing of Noel. I personally had a fantastic time seeing him live. Sure, it would be nice for him to throw in one of his own personal rockers like Step Out, but at the end of the day complaining about him not doing so is nitpicking.
And to suggest that Noel doesn't want to be there, or that he conveys that image is well off base, in my opinion.
Noel hasn't switched his style. He's switched the kind of songs he's played - again, less Step Outs - but his delivery has remained constant throughout.
He was always the more mellow of the two, even in their crazy mid-90s hey days. So why does it shock the loud minority on here that he's mellow now? Moreover, people tend to mellow with age. It really shouldn't be unexpected.
I also think Noel banter's with the audience better. Liam is more captivating, energetic, and has the swagger on stage, but he doesn't engage in audience conversation. His lines are more rehearsed. How many times is he going to ask if there are any Indians in the house?
I'm not criticizing Liam, I'm just pointing out that I find Noel a lot more genuine when it comes to the banter.
For the record, I am indeed going to my 2nd BDI concert tonight. Had to leave slightly early first time round in June, so I'm happy I get to see Wigwam, TMS, and SOTS.
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Post by ctmazin on Dec 8, 2011 16:06:24 GMT -5
His current cover of Supersonic is lifeless yet everyone cheers, but its all for the nostalgia factor as are all of the other Oasis songs he's playing. I'm impressed that you somehow know exactly what other people are thinking when they are cheering. "Yet everyone cheers" Jeebus-might they be cheering because they like the song and the performance? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 8, 2011 16:09:19 GMT -5
His current cover of Supersonic is lifeless yet everyone cheers, but its all for the nostalgia factor as are all of the other Oasis songs he's playing. I'm impressed that you somehow know exactly what other people are thinking when they are cheering. "Yet everyone cheers" Jeebus-might they be cheering because they like the song and the performance? I just want to point out that Oasis have played Supersonic live acoustically before, too. I have it in a folder downloaded called "Noel Gets to the Point". Even though it has Liam on vocals, it's almost just as stripped down as Noel's current rendition (but not quite). |
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Post by ctmazin on Dec 8, 2011 16:14:39 GMT -5
I'm not having this bad mouthing of Noel. I personally had a fantastic time seeing him live. Sure, it would be nice for him to throw in one of his own personal rockers like Step Out, but at the end of the day complaining about him not doing so is nitpicking. And to suggest that Noel doesn't want to be there, or that he conveys that image is well off base, in my opinion. Noel hasn't switched his style. He's switched the kind of songs he's played - again, less Step Outs - but his delivery has remained constant throughout. He was always the more mellow of the two, even in their crazy mid-90s hey days. So why does it shock the loud minority on here that he's mellow now? Moreover, people tend to mellow with age. It really shouldn't be unexpected. I also think Noel banter's with the audience better. Liam is more captivating, energetic, and has the swagger on stage, but he doesn't engage in audience conversation. His lines are more rehearsed. How many times is he going to ask if there are any Indians in the house? I'm not criticizing Liam, I'm just pointing out that I find Noel a lot more genuine when it comes to the banter. For the record, I am indeed going to my 2nd BDI concert tonight. Had to leave slightly early first time round in June, so I'm happy I get to see Wigwam, TMS, and SOTS. Some people here have a complex about Noel. They run him down at every opportunity. It goes beyond individual criticisms, disliking a song here or a live performance there. They resent his existence as a solo artist. It doesn't matter what he does. And Noel IS an "elder statesman of rock". He's one of the greatest songwriters of his generation and pushing 50. That fits the definition to a tee. Strange criticism. |
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Post by jilliam on Dec 8, 2011 16:22:01 GMT -5
I'm not having this bad mouthing of Noel. I personally had a fantastic time seeing him live. Sure, it would be nice for him to throw in one of his own personal rockers like Step Out, but at the end of the day complaining about him not doing so is nitpicking. And to suggest that Noel doesn't want to be there, or that he conveys that image is well off base, in my opinion. Noel hasn't switched his style. He's switched the kind of songs he's played - again, less Step Outs - but his delivery has remained constant throughout. He was always the more mellow of the two, even in their crazy mid-90s hey days. So why does it shock the loud minority on here that he's mellow now? Moreover, people tend to mellow with age. It really shouldn't be unexpected. I also think Noel banter's with the audience better. Liam is more captivating, energetic, and has the swagger on stage, but he doesn't engage in audience conversation. His lines are more rehearsed. How many times is he going to ask if there are any Indians in the house? I'm not criticizing Liam, I'm just pointing out that I find Noel a lot more genuine when it comes to the banter. For the record, I am indeed going to my 2nd BDI concert tonight. Had to leave slightly early first time round in June, so I'm happy I get to see Wigwam, TMS, and SOTS. GFTOOH! Liam sounds rehearsed? Are you joking? I went to BOTH of Noels LA gigs, and he spit out the same exact "banter" both fuckin nights! and guess what? I heard boots from his previous gigs, and the same fuckin banter! Come fuckin off it. One can see greatness when the front man can keep a fuckin hall full of amp up fuckers without saying a word!!! Don't be pissed bc ppl are saying truths about Noel, as I recall you and your pal GreenDayForever were some of the main henchmen spearheading the "BE" suxx campaign, so if you're going to dish it out, you better learn how to deal with it when it comes back to ya, lollololol. Noels delivery has indeed remained the same as it was with Oasis however, then it was tolerable bc it was only a couple of songs. Now its a full on hour of it, and IMO I'm not too keen on it, not enough to spend finances, time and travel to see multiple gigs. each to their own though. On record Noel sounds great, live is a different story and part of it has to do with his current musicians as well. I love how ppl cant fess up that Noels gigs are slow and just mask it with "Oh he's just older now and more mellow" puh-lease! Have fun at BE's gig tonight, if you take off the blinders you might actually genuinely enjoy yourself and report back tomorrow. |
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Post by ctmazin on Dec 8, 2011 16:27:30 GMT -5
I'm not having this bad mouthing of Noel. I personally had a fantastic time seeing him live. Sure, it would be nice for him to throw in one of his own personal rockers like Step Out, but at the end of the day complaining about him not doing so is nitpicking. And to suggest that Noel doesn't want to be there, or that he conveys that image is well off base, in my opinion. Noel hasn't switched his style. He's switched the kind of songs he's played - again, less Step Outs - but his delivery has remained constant throughout. He was always the more mellow of the two, even in their crazy mid-90s hey days. So why does it shock the loud minority on here that he's mellow now? Moreover, people tend to mellow with age. It really shouldn't be unexpected. I also think Noel banter's with the audience better. Liam is more captivating, energetic, and has the swagger on stage, but he doesn't engage in audience conversation. His lines are more rehearsed. How many times is he going to ask if there are any Indians in the house? I'm not criticizing Liam, I'm just pointing out that I find Noel a lot more genuine when it comes to the banter. For the record, I am indeed going to my 2nd BDI concert tonight. Had to leave slightly early first time round in June, so I'm happy I get to see Wigwam, TMS, and SOTS. GFTOOH! Liam sounds rehearsed? Are you joking? I went to BOTH of Noels LA gigs, and he spit out the same exact "banter" both fuckin nights! and guess what? I heard boots from his previous gigs, and the same fuckin banter! Come fuckin off it. One can see greatness when the front man can keep a fuckin hall full of amp up fuckers without saying a word!!! Don't be pissed bc ppl are saying truths about Noel, as I recall you and your pal GreenDayForever were some of the main henchmen spearheading the "BE" suxx campaign, so if you're going to dish it out, you better learn how to deal with it when it comes back to ya, lollololol. Noels delivery has indeed remained the same as it was with Oasis however, then it was tolerable bc it was only a couple of songs. Now its a full on hour of it, and IMO I'm not too keen on it, not enough to spend finances, time and travel to see multiple gigs. each to their own though. On record Noel sounds great, live is a different story and part of it has to do with his current musicians as well. I love how ppl cant fess up that Noels gigs are slow and just mask it with "Oh he's just older now and more mellow" puh-lease! Have fun at BE's gig tonight, if you take off the blinders you might actually genuinely enjoy yourself and report back tomorrow. MANY PEOPLE DO NOT SHARE YOUR OPINION AND GENUINELY ENJOY THEMSELVES AT NGHFB CONCERTS. Accept it. It will make you feel better |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 8, 2011 16:31:10 GMT -5
Honestly jilliam. Give it a rest. You spew more bitterness and bike than anyone else on here.
Ctmazin is correct. You resent Noel's very existence as a solo artist. It goes beyond music or person preference with you and it's incredibly sad to see someone so angry and twisted.
There are many people that enjoy NGHFB a lot. Difference being is that most don't feel that to justify liking their choice is because the other choice is shit.
I'm comfortable saying that I like Noel's show better but that BDI are pretty good and will grow into a more worthwhile band if they can get some better songs. You on the other hand can only seem to justify would position by saying that Noel's show is not worthy of respect.
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Post by jilliam on Dec 8, 2011 16:34:41 GMT -5
I'm not having this bad mouthing of Noel. I personally had a fantastic time seeing him live. Sure, it would be nice for him to throw in one of his own personal rockers like Step Out, but at the end of the day complaining about him not doing so is nitpicking. And to suggest that Noel doesn't want to be there, or that he conveys that image is well off base, in my opinion. Noel hasn't switched his style. He's switched the kind of songs he's played - again, less Step Outs - but his delivery has remained constant throughout. He was always the more mellow of the two, even in their crazy mid-90s hey days. So why does it shock the loud minority on here that he's mellow now? Moreover, people tend to mellow with age. It really shouldn't be unexpected. I also think Noel banter's with the audience better. Liam is more captivating, energetic, and has the swagger on stage, but he doesn't engage in audience conversation. His lines are more rehearsed. How many times is he going to ask if there are any Indians in the house? I'm not criticizing Liam, I'm just pointing out that I find Noel a lot more genuine when it comes to the banter. For the record, I am indeed going to my 2nd BDI concert tonight. Had to leave slightly early first time round in June, so I'm happy I get to see Wigwam, TMS, and SOTS. Some people here have a complex about Noel. They run him down at every opportunity. It goes beyond individual criticisms, disliking a song here or a live performance there. They resent his existence as a solo artist. It doesn't matter what he does. And Noel IS an "elder statesman of rock". He's one of the greatest songwriters of his generation and pushing 50. That fits the definition to a tee. Strange criticism. Its the exact same as Noel fanboys being biased against Liam. some ppl haven't even been to BE gigs are full-on talking shit based off half ass youtube videos they've seen. The minute ANYONE says ANYTHING derogatory towards Noel this fuckin gang of fanboys comes out of the woodwork. Thing is several are thinking the same but don't have the balls to say it! Case in point, HFB drops, and the forum is flooded with "ITS THE BEST ALBUM SINCE....blah blah fuckin blah" Two weeks later someone has the balls to say its ok/good and ppl start chiming in with similar comments. Its a fuckin forum ffs, at the end of the day, you click off this site and life goes on. Not picking sides, just standing up for the underdog since many on here fear to do. |
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Post by jilliam on Dec 8, 2011 16:41:22 GMT -5
Honestly jilliam. Give it a rest. You spew more bitterness and bike than anyone else on here. Ctmazin is correct. You resent Noel's very existence as a solo artist. It goes beyond music or person preference with you and it's incredibly sad to see someone so angry and twisted. There are many people that enjoy NGHFB a lot. Difference being is that most don't feel that to justify liking their choice is because the other choice is shit. I'm comfortable saying that I like Noel's show better but that BDI are pretty good and will grow into a more worthwhile band if they can get some better songs. You on the other hand can only seem to justify would position by saying that Noel is shit. fuck off troll, go write more forum essays to all your posts and stop treading on my comments. You and your gang are just bitter bc someone is stading up to all your BE hatred. I've never said "Noel is shit", Ive simply stated his flaws and my preferences. |
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Post by ctmazin on Dec 8, 2011 16:45:24 GMT -5
Some people here have a complex about Noel. They run him down at every opportunity. It goes beyond individual criticisms, disliking a song here or a live performance there. They resent his existence as a solo artist. It doesn't matter what he does. And Noel IS an "elder statesman of rock". He's one of the greatest songwriters of his generation and pushing 50. That fits the definition to a tee. Strange criticism. Its the exact same as Noel fanboys being biased against Liam. some ppl haven't even been to BE gigs are full-on talking shit based off half ass youtube videos they've seen. The minute ANYONE says ANYTHING derogatory towards Noel this fuckin gang of fanboys comes out of the woodwork. Thing is several are thinking the same but don't have the balls to say it! Case in point, HFB drops, and the forum is flooded with "ITS THE BEST ALBUM SINCE....blah blah fuckin blah" Two weeks later someone has the balls to say its ok/good and ppl start chiming in with similar comments. Its a fuckin forum ffs, at the end of the day, you click off this site and life goes on. Not picking sides, just standing up for the underdog since many on here fear to do. The problem is not that you have an opinion. The problem is you cannot distinguish between your opinion and "truths". TRUTH: Noel G is older than Liam G OPINION: Noel G is better than Liam G TRUTH: Human beings are present at Noel G gigs OPINION: Noel G's gigs are not very good BATSHIT INSANE OPINION BY JILLIAM: People are attending Noel G's gigs in large numbers and cheering loudly but are secretly not enjoying the gigs because they are unconsciously deluding themselves. Get it? Not that you will likely understand this. Too much logic. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 8, 2011 16:56:05 GMT -5
And yet you feel the need to insult anyone that feels the preference the other day.
You say you're upset because people post out of the woodwork every time someone says anything good about BDI is bullshit.
Interesting that YOU don't bother to pull Tomlivesforever up on the fact that he wouldn't even consider attending one of Noel's shows. However I did pull up NL4E up on his supposition that BDI weren't worth the price of their admission. I said they were defiinitely worth the price of admission and the reason I wouldn't see them is travel costs.
So who is the unreasonably biased person between the two of us?
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Post by Silence Dogood on Dec 8, 2011 17:26:30 GMT -5
some people are just so deluded.
The fact of the matter is Noel is no longer acting like a rockstar, his gig is a folksy pop show and so is most of his solo material. That is FACT, not opinion.
He is not a very good frontman, that is a FACT, not opinion.
His shows are a bit(im being generous) bland-- unless you're a hardcore fan(of NGHFBs, not Oasis)... FACT, not opinion.
It's funny how a few users here like to talk so much trash when it comes to BDI and ask people not to feel like they're attacking the band, but when someone says something critical about Noel, Man, do they hit the ceiling.
it's quite amusing really.
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