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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 17, 2011 20:48:44 GMT -5
You would just love that wouldn't you. Just like GD would. Its pretty sad tbh. Yeah...keep speaking for me. I don't want to see it...which is why I don't want them to do it. But if you want them to open themselves up to that...go for it. If they play Noel-written Oasis tunes it's unavoidable. I want them to make a go of it with BDI. And that means not relying on Noel's songs to sell tickets. Oh don't worry, I will. Me and a lot of others don't have as many worries about critical opinion as you do. If they did 2 or 3 Oasis tunes and one of them being a Noel song I don't really see a problem except with those already predisposed to dislike them. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 17, 2011 20:49:57 GMT -5
You would just love that wouldn't you. Just like GD would. Its pretty sad tbh. Nope. I said I wouldn't like that. Which is actually the exact opposite of what you claimed I would think. If you quit being such a fanboy and bothered to read you would have noticed that. Liam and co are well capable of being a success without the need of embarassing themselves by playing songs Noel wrote whilst trying to prove that they don't need him. The Beady Eye section is like a no go zone these days. I can't even post something positive about Liam without being accused of hating him...what the hell like? Where do these people come from? And on what basis do you call me a 'fanboy' (a word you throw around far to much btw)? |
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Post by allah on Nov 17, 2011 20:53:44 GMT -5
Nope. I said I wouldn't like that. Which is actually the exact opposite of what you claimed I would think. If you quit being such a fanboy and bothered to read you would have noticed that. Liam and co are well capable of being a success without the need of embarassing themselves by playing songs Noel wrote whilst trying to prove that they don't need him. The Beady Eye section is like a no go zone these days. I can't even post something positive about Liam without being accused of hating him...what the hell like? Where do these people come from? And on what basis do you call me a 'fanboy' (a word you throw around far to much btw)? Since you got butthurt when you misread my comment and thought I had dissed Liam. lol Maybe you aren't, since I don't know you, but that comment seemed very "oh no, did he really just diss my Liam?? I cant let him get away with that without a sly dig". |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 17, 2011 21:03:31 GMT -5
Yeah...keep speaking for me. I don't want to see it...which is why I don't want them to do it. But if you want them to open themselves up to that...go for it. If they play Noel-written Oasis tunes it's unavoidable. I want them to make a go of it with BDI. And that means not relying on Noel's songs to sell tickets. Oh don't worry, I will. Me and a lot of others don't have as many worries about critical opinion as you do. If they did 2 or 3 Oasis tunes and one of them being a Noel song I don't really see a problem except with those already predisposed to dislike them. I don't dislike them. Where do you get off insinuating that I dislike them? I bought the album like every other fan. I said I was pleasantly surprised by it. No, I don't think it's amazing. But it's good. I think that being dismissed as Oasis without Noel is really a sore spot with Liam. I don't think he is secure enough to deal with that kind of press. These past few months you can tell that the criticism of the band and moderate reception has been affecting him. I have a lot of respect for them stepping away from the Oasis songs. I wish Noel would have done the same. I've been consistent about that. And Noel is reaping the rewards of doing what he is doing with some press making a point saying that the highlight of and hour and a half show is acoustic versions of Wonderwall and Supersonic. But at least those are his songs. If BDI were to play a Noel written song the write up wouldn't be nearly so innocuous. I'd prefer for BDI to continue on as they have been. And if they do play Oasis songs (which I'd prefer they didn't full stop) i think that the next best thing would be playing the songs credited to LAG. But if they decide to do a Noel written song...honestly...I won't really care that much. However I really hope they won't. So don't try to make this about me not liking BDI. |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 18, 2011 5:33:37 GMT -5
Nice chat, thanks for posting. Thought this stuck out: "No one's arsed playing your mind games anymore, you stupid little vagina" (Liam, as if he was talking to Noel about their reunion tour back and forth). Gotta give it up to Liam on that one. He totally knew what Noel was doing and mind fucked him right back. Yes, I think he had an healthy reaction to that. Liam's becoming more simple lately. Playing Oasis songs is in this spirit. He doesn't to play Noel mind game anymore. And He feels like he has the right to sing Oasis songs. If they just one Noel songs I really don't see where the probleme is. Why do you care so much about the press? Oasis has been slagging off by the press for the past 15 years, It didn't stop you for going to shows has it? There's nothing wrong on relying on your back catalogue. I gonna quote Noel in a 2008 itw I think . "even if I was sick to play wonderwall, the people who buy the album with those songs on make you who you are, and not to singing that back to them, I think it's outrageous". |
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Post by allah on Nov 18, 2011 5:43:38 GMT -5
I'm have a question for the people who are saying those songs are just as much Liams as Noel...
Are you in a band? Do you write songs for them? Would you have a problem if the band split after a big fight and the person you had the falling out with played the songs you wrote with his new band? Would you not feel a bit strange? Would the person performing the other persons songs not feel a bit degraded? Would said person not get angry when asked in every interview about said situation?
I have too much respect for Liam to see him do this. What if Beady Eye decide to release a live DVD at some stage and all you see in the booklet is "special thanks to Noel Gallagher etc etc"
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 18, 2011 5:49:03 GMT -5
Are you in a band? Do you write songs for them? Would you have a problem if the band split after a big fight and the person you had the falling out with played the songs you wrote with his new band? Would you not feel a bit strange? Would the person performing the other persons songs not feel a bit degraded? Would said person not get angry when asked in every interview about said situation? Of course you're saying right things. But you seem to forget someting important. EVERYONE does it. There 's not a single guy in a new band that don't play old band tunes when they go solo. They sometimes wait a little before doing it, like Liam has, but eventually they do it and guess what nobody cares and the fans are happy. Morrissey, Ian Brown, New Order, every fucking mancunian does it, why not Liam ? And they didn't wrote the music, or they didn't wrote the lyrics and there was some guy to say they should'nt do it, but they did and now no one cares. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 9:39:58 GMT -5
And on what basis do you call me a 'fanboy' (a word you throw around far to much btw)? Since you got butthurt when you misread my comment and thought I had dissed Liam. lol Maybe you aren't, since I don't know you, but that comment seemed very "oh no, did he really just diss my Liam?? I cant let him get away with that without a sly dig". You simply assume that because its contrary to your own views. I don't think i've ever commented on any of your posts before. Anyone not in line with your thinking is a 'fanboy'. Good one. |
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Post by allah on Nov 18, 2011 10:46:50 GMT -5
Since you got butthurt when you misread my comment and thought I had dissed Liam. lol Maybe you aren't, since I don't know you, but that comment seemed very "oh no, did he really just diss my Liam?? I cant let him get away with that without a sly dig". You simply assume that because its contrary to your own views. I don't think i've ever commented on any of your posts before. Anyone not in line with your thinking is a 'fanboy'. Good one.Says the user who called my perfectly logical opinion "sad". Anyone not in line with your thinking is 'sad'. Good one. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 11:46:04 GMT -5
It wasn't the point you put across its the relish with which you seem to express it. As you've shown in other posts in the Beady Eye sections. I didn't think i'd have to make that distinction as you are perfectly aware of it yourself.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Nov 18, 2011 11:48:15 GMT -5
I think they should play song's that they wrote in oasis.
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Post by allah on Nov 18, 2011 12:53:59 GMT -5
It wasn't the point you put across its the relish with which you seem to express it. As you've shown in other posts in the Beady Eye sections. I didn't think i'd have to make that distinction as you are perfectly aware of it yourself. What relish? I clearly stated that I hope it doesn't happen. If they play Noel written songs the press will bring it up constantly. That's all I said. I did not say I hope or wish it would happen. I merely said what would happen. (And that is exactly what would happen) I have said nothing on this forum that says I don't like Beady Eye. I will assume you have mistaken me for someone else and leave you alone. I would ask for an apology but I assume that won't be happening anytime soon with your attitude. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 13:07:13 GMT -5
It wasn't the point you put across its the relish with which you seem to express it. As you've shown in other posts in the Beady Eye sections. I didn't think i'd have to make that distinction as you are perfectly aware of it yourself. What relish? I clearly stated that I hope it doesn't happen. If they play Noel written songs the press will bring it up constantly. That's all I said. I did not say I hope or wish it would happen. I merely said what would happen. (And that is exactly what would happen) I have said nothing on this forum that says I don't like Beady Eye. I will assume you have mistaken me for someone else and leave you alone. I would ask for an apology but I assume that won't be happening anytime soon with your attitude. You do seem to spend most of your time lately having a dig a people you consider Liam 'fanboys' in Beady Eye sections. I haven't seen you do that in any other sections?  And no, an apology will not be forthcoming mainly because I don't think i've said anything particularly outrageous. I wouldn't be surprised if you were smiting me every hour. |
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Post by allah on Nov 18, 2011 13:26:37 GMT -5
Maybe because it's pretty easy to spot a Liam fanboy in the way they post (aka dishing out sly digs and insults at anyone and anything, much like Liam in the 90s), whereas spotting a Noel one is harder cos they tend to post differently (usually attempts at being witty, which most people are going to do anyway (and usually fail) ). And you are not going to get a Gem, Andy, Chris fanboy etc annoying people.
Also, what the hell are you on about? This isn't a game of World of Warcraft? Wtf is smiting?
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Post by GIMH on Nov 18, 2011 13:32:16 GMT -5
My head says I'd like Liam not to song songs that read 'Noel Gallagher' in the credits
My heart says if I was at a Beady Eye gig and the riff for Cigs and Alcohol started, I'd fucking love it.
Put it this way, my 'other' favourite band is Guns N Roses, I've only ever seen the modern incarnations live, once in 02 and twice last year. You think I stood there when they closed with Paradise City thinking 'oooh but Duff, Izzy and Slash wrote that and they're not here, best fold my arms'?? Did I fuck, screamed every fucking word and loved it.
As for the royalties thing, it varies country to country anyway but I'm fairly sure it's one of them ignored rules. I sincerely doubt Noel would get any money if Beady Eye play Supersonic, or that World of Twist get royalties aside from the direct sales and any future DVD releases etc. I could be wrong but I don't see it.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 13:34:22 GMT -5
Fair enough its not you smiting me, apologies if I implied that. The karma thing on the left under your location, well not only can you exalt but you can also smite too if you go through to someones member page and select it.
Must be some members of team noel, they don't say anything they just smite. Insidious bunch, just like there chief. Come on then noels, lets make a real effort of it and get me down to minus before I go out.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 18, 2011 14:20:11 GMT -5
Big difference. Ian brown is a co-writer of the songs he sings. Morissey is a co-writer of the songs he sings. Those people who say the big Oasis tunes are as much Liam's as Noel's are daft and have never written a song in their life. Liam made most of those songs better with his voice, but Noel wrote and arranged every note--far more of a contribution, as any musician knows. Having said that, Liam is free to sing the first four words of the chorus to Don't Look back In Anger over and over again.  All joking aside, I think Liam should sing Noel's songs if he feels like it. Why not? I know man, that's why I said they didn't wrote the music. So they should just have read the lyrics alone if I follow the idea. Liam's voice is very important to the songs, it their identity, that's why he mentions Elvis in the itw, he puts himself as a performer only. I don't think they're actually as his as they are Noel's but I see what he means. It was his band, his voice, he has the right to play it. He sang them for 20 years, he has the right to feel he owns them too !!!! |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2011 14:21:56 GMT -5
Fair enough its not you smiting me, apologies if I implied that. The karma thing on the left under your location, well not only can you exalt but you can also smite too if you go through to someones member page and select it. Must be some members of team noel, they don't say anything they just smite. Insidious bunch, just like there chief. Come on then noels, lets make a real effort of it and get me down to minus before I go out. It's their, not there. I guess you're a thick yob, just like your Liam.  . Its true I am  I'm going to go and punch an innocent in the face. See youz l8ters. ;D |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 18, 2011 14:58:27 GMT -5
Play Noel written songs. Why not? I know some on here love Noel's acoustic version of supersonic but if you are asking me who i would rather see play it, it would be Beady Eye with LG's vocals any day of the week.
They have proved they can do it without Noel, i have been to Beady Eye gigs and loved it and you can see the crowd have. Although some nobhead journalists who hate Liam would have you think otherwise.
I think as long as it isn't a huge amount and it's the songs that were only great because of Liam then he has every right.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Nov 18, 2011 15:41:55 GMT -5
To the poster right above me, which Noel-written songs were only great because of Liam's voice? Because Supersonic, Live Forever, etc. are great regardless of who sings it (to a point, if we're being hyper-literal). He may have elevated them, but they're just great songs regardless. My head says I'd like Liam not to song songs that read 'Noel Gallagher' in the credits My heart says if I was at a Beady Eye gig and the riff for Cigs and Alcohol started, I'd fucking love it. Put it this way, my 'other' favourite band is Guns N Roses, I've only ever seen the modern incarnations live, once in 02 and twice last year. You think I stood there when they closed with Paradise City thinking 'oooh but Duff, Izzy and Slash wrote that and they're not here, best fold my arms'?? Did I fuck, screamed every fucking word and loved it. As for the royalties thing, it varies country to country anyway but I'm fairly sure it's one of them ignored rules. I sincerely doubt Noel would get any money if Beady Eye play Supersonic, or that World of Twist get royalties aside from the direct sales and any future DVD releases etc. I could be wrong but I don't see it. Sorry, I need to nitpick two things: 1) Axl wrote the Paradise City lyrics alone and he was one of four members who wrote the music. So that's definitely a different story. 2) I'm sure most people don't demand the royalty checks, but I'm sure Noel would force the issue as much as he could, if only to make sure Liam is constantly reminded of who wrote those songs. |
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 18, 2011 16:16:43 GMT -5
Noel recently said Liam could do a WTSMG tour alone and use all of its songs that he wouldn't be bothered.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 18, 2011 16:32:05 GMT -5
I'm not too sure Gem and Andy would be up for playing pre-2000 Oasis tunes at Beady Eye gigs. After all, neither one of them were in the band at that time and probably would prefer to play tracks they wrote while in Oasis or just stick to Beady Eye material only. Andy should have some pride after being in the band Ride. He doesn't need to be playing Noel written tunes. None of them do as a matter of fact. Want more people to come out to gigs? Write better Beady Eye tunes.
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 18, 2011 18:49:04 GMT -5
I do think that with Liam's voice getting better and better, and with two gifted guitarists in Gem and Andy, it would be a shame not to give some older Oasis songs a shot, no matter what some think. 1 or 2 per gig would be just perfect.
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Post by alwaysnow on Nov 18, 2011 19:16:38 GMT -5
I like that they haven't played Oasis songs so far, because they're trying to prove themselves and their songs. That's a respectable decision.
Guess with their second album they'll have more quality tunes to pick from, and get the set's quality up a notch, so I don't think they'll need Oasis songs either.
However, I admit that it would be a blast to have a couple of Oasis-LAG tunes sprinkled on the set. Strengthen the set with an opener such as Turn Up The Sun and get the clapping going with Songbird in the middle would be something. Or having some rarities never played live, such as Boy With The Blues or Pass Me Down The Wine.
I lean more towards them not playing Oasis songs, but that other options wouldn't be too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2011 20:37:21 GMT -5
Fair enough its not you smiting me, apologies if I implied that. The karma thing on the left under your location, well not only can you exalt but you can also smite too if you go through to someones member page and select it. Must be some members of team noel, they don't say anything they just smite. Insidious bunch, just like there chief. Come on then noels, lets make a real effort of it and get me down to minus before I go out. Alright, whoever smites you is team noel. go on. |
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