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Post by spaneli on Dec 23, 2011 15:15:57 GMT -5
That's great. 800,000 is starting look more and more like a sure bet.  Are you anticipating that by the end of the year or total? I doubt it by the end of the year. I'd agree it's close to a sure bet that it'll reach it eventually though. It'll be over 700K by the end of this week and probably ~750 by year end. And I would think another 40-60K next year would be very reasonable before it drops off totally. Yeah, not end of the year. There's no way that will happen. I mean that it will eventually make it there. Which is great. Very well could end up between 800,000-850,000. Which would be great for Noel. Then you'd hope that by some way or another the next album does well enough that it bumps HFB up a bit. We'll see what happens, but with the arena/stadium shows coming up and the release of DO, this album should continue to do fairly well for the first couple of months in the new year and should stay in the Top 200 of the album charts through the summer I would think (by looking at Beady Eye's album run as a comparative). |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 23, 2011 15:52:32 GMT -5
Are you anticipating that by the end of the year or total? I doubt it by the end of the year. I'd agree it's close to a sure bet that it'll reach it eventually though. It'll be over 700K by the end of this week and probably ~750 by year end. And I would think another 40-60K next year would be very reasonable before it drops off totally. Yeah, not end of the year. There's no way that will happen. I mean that it will eventually make it there. Which is great. Very well could end up between 800,000-850,000. Which would be great for Noel. Then you'd hope that by some way or another the next album does well enough that it bumps HFB up a bit. We'll see what happens, but with the arena/stadium shows coming up and the release of DO, this album should continue to do fairly well for the first couple of months in the new year and should stay in the Top 200 of the album charts through the summer I would think (by looking at Beady Eye's album run as a comparative). I think that this album will end up selling around 850-900K Noel is doing comparable to BDI outside of the UK. He's sold about ~235K. BDI sold 280K ouside of the UK. So I would assume he'll be in for a few more sales trickling in around the world. Noel is selling better than DOYS so far in the UK (outside of that first week) and will probably end up with comparable year end sales (maybe 10-20K lower) and DOYS hit double platinum in the UK (although I think sales were actually a bit under double platinum). But even if he just end up matching DOYS's sales. That'll be over 100K worth of sales in the UK next year. Hopefully he'll experience the same bumps as BDI from the festival season. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 7, 2012 0:28:37 GMT -5
Global Chart #31 - 64K Worldwide = ~664K Worldwide sales ~730K |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 1:10:49 GMT -5
what was it projected to sell? it's been how long?
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Post by gdforever on Jan 7, 2012 1:29:22 GMT -5
what was it projected to sell? it's been how long? Almost 12 weeks since the first release Japan/Australia/NZ, 11 weeks in Europe, 8 weeks in the NA No idea what it was projected. And yes, we still know it's you lgfavre. I knew the tone of the posts sounded familiar. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 1:32:56 GMT -5
what was it projected to sell? it's been how long? Almost 12 weeks since the first release Japan/Australia/NZ, 11 weeks in Europe, 8 weeks in the NA No idea what it was projected. And yes, we still know it's you lgfavre. I knew the tone of the posts sounded familiar. wow you firgured that out all on your own? SO PERCEPTIVE! not like i was trying to hide it honey. anyways, now that we got that out of the way... thanks for the info. I remember we talked about how much it would sell more or less. i recall the number 1,000,000 being thrown around. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 7, 2012 1:40:50 GMT -5
Almost 12 weeks since the first release Japan/Australia/NZ, 11 weeks in Europe, 8 weeks in the NA No idea what it was projected. And yes, we still know it's you lgfavre. I knew the tone of the posts sounded familiar. wow you firgured that out all on your own? SO PERCEPTIVE! not like i was trying to hide it honey. anyways, now that we got that out of the way... thanks for the info. I remember we talked about how much it would sell more or less. i recall the number 1,000,000 being thrown around. Fan guesstimates is not a projection... I think the general feeling was around 600-700K |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 1:45:28 GMT -5
wow you firgured that out all on your own? SO PERCEPTIVE! not like i was trying to hide it honey. anyways, now that we got that out of the way... thanks for the info. I remember we talked about how much it would sell more or less. i recall the number 1,000,000 being thrown around. Fan guesstimates is not a projection... No!!! really??? lol... never said it was. Just trying to see if you remember the thread. whatever. If you don't feel like answering just don't post, no need to be rude. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 7, 2012 1:56:28 GMT -5
Fan guesstimates is not a projection... No!!! really??? lol... never said it was. Just trying to see if you remember the thread. whatever. If you don't feel like answering just don't post, no need to be rude. That wasn't rude. Asking what is was projected for is not asking the same thing as what the board expected Noel to sell. Projections are official things done by stats companies. I answered the question. Geeze. The general boards feeling seemed to have been double in the UK and a bit more than BDI outside the UK. 600-700K...like I said. I can't remember any regulars seriously theorising 1 million and having any support. |
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Post by Rifles on Jan 7, 2012 2:06:06 GMT -5
Ben Franklin would roll over in his grave and re-kill himself if he knew such a clueless idiot was using his alter-ego.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 2:07:45 GMT -5
again, i know what we as fan can speculate is not the same as a projection(by the label or whoever). thanks anyways i guess. Rifles.... you've weren't loved enough as a child, were you? lol why insult me like that out of the blue? tsk tsk....sad sad little man. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 7, 2012 2:15:45 GMT -5
what was it projected to sell? it's been how long? That is why I pointed out that fan guesses aren't the same as a projection. I replied that I didn't know it was projected. You replied you thought you remembered people around here saying 1 million. I said that then what you were asking for wasn't a projection...for future reference. And then I told you what I remembered about the discussion on the board about sales. Then I got called rude and told not to even bother responding. I don't know why you have to be so oversensitive CONSTANTLY! Chill out. There is no reason to spaz. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 2:24:48 GMT -5
ok... fair enough. As long as we can debate and have conversations, heated as the may be, and not resort to name calling, i'm all for it.
the minute you start with the bullshit, you already know what it's gonna be.
So, for now... peace !
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Post by Rifles on Jan 7, 2012 2:30:37 GMT -5
ok... fair enough. As long as we can debate and have conversations, heated as the may be, and not resort to name calling, i'm all for it. the minute you start with the bullshit, you already know what it's gonna be. So, for now... peace ! Watch out for the internet tough guy, everybody. He's handing out ownage tonight! What a joke. Poor Ben Franklin. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 2:36:15 GMT -5
at least i don't go around "attempting"(and failing miserably) to bully people online--handing out insults completely unprovoked.
newsflash, when you spew shit about someone else and then you're proven wrong with actual evidence.... You get OWND. Nothing about being a "thoughguy" there, dummy.
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Post by Rifles on Jan 7, 2012 2:56:09 GMT -5
newsflash, when you spew shit about someone else and then you're proven wrong with actual evidence.... You get OWND. Nothing about being a "thoughguy" there, dummy. Calling you an idiot for being an idiot is hardly bullying. Its just observation. While we're discussing observations and proof of statements, I will direct you to Exhibit A of your being an idiot - your comment I just quoted. Only an idiot would say something like that, as only an idiot would use the term OWND in anything other than a joking manner. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 3:00:33 GMT -5
SO pathetic, so worthless...
ciao buffoon.
Go watch some more Law And Order.
this dumbass.... lol
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Post by Rifles on Jan 7, 2012 3:03:16 GMT -5
It was a pleasure. Goodnight!
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Post by spaneli on Jan 7, 2012 14:15:05 GMT -5
There was one person who said one million, and that was me. There is a thread where you can find my quote (I can't remember which thread). However, when I said one million I also said that he'd have to be really lucky and everything would have to fall into place. So though I said one million, I also said that he'd have to be extremely lucky to get one million and that he'd be lucky to get 900,000. The only way either would be feasible would be if HFB's sold at least half of what DOYS sold in every country. And that even that would take a lot of luck.
But most said that he'd be lucky to get 900,000-1,000,000 in sales and that 750,000-800,000 would also take a lot luck, but could be feasible. So Noel has not only met the expectations of what board thought he'd get meaning 650,000-700,000, but he has also performed above expectations by being on his way to selling 800,000-850,000. And again, if he's really lucky and does promotion like the Graham Norton show a bit more, then he could still sell 900,000. But that might be a bit of a long shot.
I don't think there were projections anywhere saying what he would sell in total. And the expectations of the board were basically 650,000-700,000. But he has definitely performed above expectations. He's done amazingly well and anyone who doesn't believe that he has is being delusional.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 7, 2012 18:03:03 GMT -5
yeah i think i remember that now... it was you who i was talking to in that thread.
I remember thinking i'd consider that album a success if it sold a million copies. Obviously i've changed my mind about that. There's no denying, the album's been a great success for Noel---well, in the UK anyways.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 7, 2012 18:27:52 GMT -5
yeah i think i remember that now... it was you who i was talking to in that thread. I remember thinking i'd consider that album a success if it sold a million copies. Obviously i've changed my mind about that. There's no denying, the album's been a great success for Noel---well, in the UK anyways. It's been a great success in general. He needed to do well in the Uk. Did he amass a great number of record sales in other countries? Obviously, not. But he's done so well in the UK that the next time he releases an album he may not need to promote the UK as much as he did this time. Which would be really good for him because even with the delayed release (which did hurt his sales in NA) he was still stretched thin. My hope is that this is a sign that he doesn't have to promote so much in the UK which will help him divide his time more wisely which will hopefully give him more sales in other countries. Which may also lead him towards not doing another delayed release in NA. He established great sales in a market that he desperately needed to secure (a market that BDI doesn't have unfortunately). This album has put him in a good situation and it will make it easier for him to promote the next album. So in that sense this album has been a great success in general. You need to start somewhere before you can expand and hopefully this and the next album along with maybe a bit more time for promotion in other regions other than the UK will help him with an expansion of his audience. |
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Post by manualex on Jan 7, 2012 18:32:35 GMT -5
^ And release the album in other countries... Do you know that i havent seen a legal copy on my contry of the album? ;(
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Post by dion on Jan 7, 2012 19:01:15 GMT -5
A million would have been a great result world wide, no doubt in the UK he's surpassed all expectations. If he was going to hit a million he'd have had to have "broken" (and I use that word in it's loosest sense) the USA.
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Post by drteter on Jan 7, 2012 21:05:56 GMT -5
yeah i think i remember that now... it was you who i was talking to in that thread. I remember thinking i'd consider that album a success if it sold a million copies. Obviously i've changed my mind about that. There's no denying, the album's been a great success for Noel---well, in the UK anyways. It's been a great success in general. He needed to do well in the Uk. Did he amass a great number of record sales in other countries? Obviously, not. But he's done so well in the UK that the next time he releases an album he may not need to promote the UK as much as he did this time. Which would be really good for him because even with the delayed release (which did hurt his sales in NA) he was still stretched thin. My hope is that this is a sign that he doesn't have to promote so much in the UK which will help him divide his time more wisely which will hopefully give him more sales in other countries. Which may also lead him towards not doing another delayed release in NA. He established great sales in a market that he desperately needed to secure (a market that BDI doesn't have unfortunately). This album has put him in a good situation and it will make it easier for him to promote the next album. So in that sense this album has been a great success in general. You need to start somewhere before you can expand and hopefully this and the next album along with maybe a bit more time for promotion in other regions other than the UK will help him with an expansion of his audience. Very well thought out post, Spaneli. I appreciate that you back your opinions with facts and keep a relatively cool head. I wonder if the success of this album will really help the AA album, though. If he was releasing another HFB type album I think it definitely would and your scenario would be spot on. Since Noel's seemed to essentially warn people off of the AA album in interviews and always goes out of his way to say how different it is from this one, I think he might be driving away the casual fans that heard TDOYAM or WAL and went out and bought HFB. Perhaps the success of HFB will help his third album, but my guess is it'll help the AA one less. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 7, 2012 21:30:38 GMT -5
It's been a great success in general. He needed to do well in the Uk. Did he amass a great number of record sales in other countries? Obviously, not. But he's done so well in the UK that the next time he releases an album he may not need to promote the UK as much as he did this time. Which would be really good for him because even with the delayed release (which did hurt his sales in NA) he was still stretched thin. My hope is that this is a sign that he doesn't have to promote so much in the UK which will help him divide his time more wisely which will hopefully give him more sales in other countries. Which may also lead him towards not doing another delayed release in NA. He established great sales in a market that he desperately needed to secure (a market that BDI doesn't have unfortunately). This album has put him in a good situation and it will make it easier for him to promote the next album. So in that sense this album has been a great success in general. You need to start somewhere before you can expand and hopefully this and the next album along with maybe a bit more time for promotion in other regions other than the UK will help him with an expansion of his audience. Very well thought out post, Spaneli. I appreciate that you back your opinions with facts and keep a relatively cool head. I wonder if the success of this album will really help the AA album, though. If he was releasing another HFB type album I think it definitely would and your scenario would be spot on. Since Noel's seemed to essentially warn people off of the AA album in interviews and always goes out of his way to say how different it is from this one, I think he might be driving away the casual fans that heard TDOYAM or WAL and went out and bought HFB. Perhaps the success of HFB will help his third album, but my guess is it'll help the AA one less. It really depend on the first or first couple of singles from the AA album. If he releases two songs which are more conservative than the rest of the songs on the album then HFB could have a very positive effect on the AA album. So just like with any other album it depends on what the singles will be. Which for me will be one of the most interesting set of singles that Noel has ever released. |
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