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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Nov 6, 2011 11:53:38 GMT -5
If Beady Eye were getting #1 albums and selling out the O2 in a matter of minutes Liam wouldn't be interested in a reunion with Noel. This is driven by Beady Eye not working out the way he'd hoped. That's true, I guess... |
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Post by dion on Nov 6, 2011 12:07:08 GMT -5
If Beady Eye were getting #1 albums and selling out the O2 in a matter of minutes Liam wouldn't be interested in a reunion with Noel. This is driven by Beady Eye not working out the way he'd hoped. Noel wouldn't have gotten to number 1 in the week Beady Eye released their record and if he wants to sell out arenas he only have to saunter up to the mic and blast out the first line of Cigarettes and Alcohol and he will. He's doing to because he genuinely liked being in Oasis and singing those songs. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2011 12:09:47 GMT -5
If Beady Eye were getting #1 albums and selling out the O2 in a matter of minutes Liam wouldn't be interested in a reunion with Noel. This is driven by Beady Eye not working out the way he'd hoped. That's true, I guess... In fairness if they had been hugely successful they would have had just as much freedom to go on Oasis tour for a while. I think Liam genuinely loved Oasis and I think he misses that. Why wouldn't you? |
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Post by jason1977 on Nov 6, 2011 12:13:06 GMT -5
Noel would beat beedy eye in a album chart battle anyday
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Post by psj3809 on Nov 6, 2011 14:04:23 GMT -5
In fairness if they had been hugely successful they would have had just as much freedom to go on Oasis tour for a while. I think Liam genuinely loved Oasis and I think he misses that. Why wouldn't you? Totally agree, same for Noel. Think Noel would still prefer singing a few songs on a gig instead of the whole thing. Just feel Noel and Liam both need each other. Noel will be sad if his Oasis classics are never sung again by Liam and Liam i'm sure misses them. Would be great if they could sort out their differences, Liam sings the odd BDI tune at an Oasis reunion and Noel some of his new tunes. Only 'good' thing is we've had a ton of music the last year. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 6, 2011 18:13:50 GMT -5
If Beady Eye were getting #1 albums and selling out the O2 in a matter of minutes Liam wouldn't be interested in a reunion with Noel. This is driven by Beady Eye not working out the way he'd hoped. Noel wouldn't have gotten to number 1 in the week Beady Eye released their record and if he wants to sell out arenas he only have to saunter up to the mic and blast out the first line of Cigarettes and Alcohol and he will. He's doing to because he genuinely liked being in Oasis and singing those songs. No, he wouldn't have been able to beat the mammoth that was Adele. But he would have been a strong #2 and beat Jessie J handily. he deserved a #1 album for sales over 120K. BDI would have needed a weak chart to have gotten #1 with their numbers. They wouldn't have gotten #1 in Noel's week if they have been in his place. tbf even Oasis may not have made it to #1 the week BDI came out. And you are right that if Liam were still playing Noel's songs he probably could sell out arenas. But he'd lose way more face than Noel. But Noel is doing substantially better than BDI period. So to pretend that the only difference between BDI is bad timing and Oasis tunes is ludicrous. Noel passed BDI's total sales in the UK thus far in 2 weeks. BDI made it just above 150K and Noel is sitting around 220-230K after 3 weeks with his album @ #4 when BDI's was #15 by this point. I think that he has a point. If BDI had had Noel's album sales and Noel had had BDI's and BDI were looking towards possibly playing arenas next album if it even just replicated this ones success and Noel was playing mid-small theaters with sluggish sales...do you REALLY think that Liam would be talking about an Oasis reunion? Not a chance IMO. His head would be massive and he'd be stomping around laughing about how he's sure Noel is sorry for leaving now. He wouldn't be humbly musing about getting back with Noel to do a big tour. He would still be on his "make me want to vomit" "Noel can beg for it" kick. If he knew he was going to be playing big venues next tour I don't think he'd be as up for Oasis getting together. Maybe he'd still do it...but he wouldn't be offering yet. |
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 6, 2011 18:40:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, you ignore another important thing, which is the Stone Roses reunion. Those guys swore they'd never reunite, there seemed to be so much bad blood, but after a hug and a handshake, 15 years were erased and the friendship was there again. I'm not sure if Liam knew in advance they'd be reuniting, but his declarations definitely point to a trend. I tend to believe that when he learned Ian and John repaired their friendship, he thought, "maybe I could do the same". Actually, Ian Brown's story and career with the Roses and solo resembles a lot Liam's career, just like John is the sort of quiet genius that resembles Noel so much. Not to mention the fact that Liam decided he wanted to be a rock'n'roll star after watching the Roses. Maybe he just remembered how bright of a star he was as the voice of Oasis and now misses it. That's legitimate, and has nothing to do with success, because Beady Eye is doing just fine for an indie rock band, specially one that just released their first album.
Let's wait and see. I tend to believe Noel will be kind to a reunion after exploring a bit with his solo thing. I feel he has some ideas, some good ideas which he could develop for some two more albums (WAL impressed me). But he'll miss moving the masses, something only a Hall-of-Fame band like Oasis can do. Oh, and just imagine how much money an Oasis reunion/new album would generate... Even VERY rich guys like the Gallaghers wouldn't pass that, IMO.
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Post by dion on Nov 7, 2011 8:58:34 GMT -5
No, he wouldn't have been able to beat the mammoth that was Adele. But he would have been a strong #2 and beat Jessie J handily. he deserved a #1 album for sales over 120K. BDI would have needed a weak chart to have gotten #1 with their numbers. They wouldn't have gotten #1 in Noel's week if they have been in his place. Noel would have been pretty much level with Jessie J, Noel would have lost out in the "asda surge" later on in the week when he had those two to go against. I've not once tried to argue that Noel isn't more commercially viable than BDI, it is, and I'm sure Liam had no illusions. Adele and Jessie J would have hurt their "casual sales", Oasis might have still scraped over Adeles 180k though. Thats a matter of opinion, one which is slightly contradictory seeing as you've admitted they'd sell out arenas. Noel was always going to do better, I doubt Liam was under any illusions that would be the case. Noel doesn't have to prove himself, everyone knows he's a fantastic singer/songwriter. DGSS was an exercise in proving that BDI was more than Liam's big mouth. Liam didn't want to leave Oasis, he loves singing those songs. BDI haven't "flopped" or been a "failure" in fact generally reviews have considered it a success and the live shows have gotten great reviews. Yes, maybe if BDI had become bigger than Oasis' and Liam was on top of the world he might refuse to reform but that was never going to happen. Let's be honest, Noel's figures are far from that, in the current climate they're "good" but not exceptional and the difference in sales figures abroad is even smaller. Noel is playing arenas off the back of Oasis songs and not off the back of HFB's. All in all I'd say Liam is (quite rightly) proud of what BDI has achieved, wanting to sing Oasis songs for him is about Oasis, not about BDI or NGHFB. Noel is flat out rejecting it (just like Liam did) to protect the integrity of their solo projects, not because he thinks his commercial success is "getting one over" on his brother. |
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 7, 2011 9:08:53 GMT -5
Sure Liam misses the huge band that was Oasis, but it's not about money or even just fame, it's about what means Oasis to him and to people. Oasis saves Liam's life, he is Oasis. It's hard for him not be that anymore I think. He started the band, he made Noel join the band.
He loves Noel's songs, he gave them all he had, so it can't be easy hearing Noel saying "there's my song, they just happened to be realesed on Oasis reccords".
Of couse, it's a Gallagher, so he's like defiant to Noel, saying "he 's not that good without me", but I'm sure he wants to reunite the band for goods reasons, because he loves it, loves the fans and loves the songs, and despite of all he's saying, loves his brother as well.
But the split did good to him I think, people always said he was the untalented one (expect for singing), that he had no creativity and since the split, he never had as much creativity :
he has a new band, he has a clothe line and he's making a movie that could be great with one of the best english director. And none of this is about money, it's about passion, then if money comes great, but believe me nobody makes movie at 40 for the money, it's for the passion otherwise they're really stupids.
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Nov 7, 2011 23:04:27 GMT -5
^Good post.
Also, I'm very excited for Beady Eye's second album.
For some reason, I'm imagining off-Oasis sorts of songs, in the vein of Supersonic, Columbia, Fade In-Out and The Turning (which would be fucking awesome).
If Beady Eye did that, it would really set them apart from Noel's current direction, and probably earn a few non-Oasis fans too. Plus, that would be a fucking good album, and between that and Different Gear, you could see that they had different styles, and are really their own band.
Probably a little more excited than for Noels second. (A mixture of finding it weird to be excited about an album from an artist I got one a month ago, being nervous for the AA stuff, and generally having a high bar for Beady Eye)
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 8, 2011 9:19:58 GMT -5
 Can't wait for the scans.  |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 8, 2011 9:27:05 GMT -5
He. What a weird quote. Makes me feel slightly dirty reading it.  |
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Post by daii on Nov 8, 2011 9:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by Shockmaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:27:10 GMT -5
Damn, I can't get it at college.... Off topic, could anybody tell me what that Kasabian bit at the top is all about? Are they ACTUALLY playing Hyde Park? |
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Post by icebreath on Nov 8, 2011 10:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by Shockmaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:44:30 GMT -5
Lovely, having a read now. Do you think you could upload the Kasabian bits into the Kasabian section please?  |
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Post by icebreath on Nov 8, 2011 10:49:17 GMT -5
Lovely, having a read now. Do you think you could upload the Kasabian bits into the Kasabian section please? already done that enjoy  |
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Post by ctmazin on Nov 8, 2011 10:50:36 GMT -5
Noel's sales figures are outstanding for a rock album in this climate. What are you smoking? Have you seen the sales figures for Elbow, Monkeys, Beady Eye, kasabian. chili Peppers, foos? These are all the biggest rock acts in the UK right now. Noel will outsell all of them, some by a huge margin.
Even Coldplay, which is the biggest band in the world right now, isn't embarassing Noel in the sales department right now.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 8, 2011 11:09:20 GMT -5
Big news, more material ready to be worked on.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 8, 2011 11:43:31 GMT -5
Hate the I can't read it on my iPhone.
Anything interesting other than the vague promise that they're working on stuff?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 8, 2011 11:46:25 GMT -5
11 Songs, and its implied that there are more ready to work. Grander, strings, hoovers etc. There's some funny Liam stuff there but you'd have to read it when you can.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Nov 8, 2011 11:47:09 GMT -5
Hate the I can't read it on my iPhone. Anything interesting other than the vague promise that they're working on stuff? No that's not a great itw. He says the BDI album will be amazing as usual. And Just Liam saying the reunion tour would probaly happened and that him and Noel will put their shit aside. An he talked to Noel's son on the phone, the boy called him Uncle Liam, so it made him think familly fights are stupids. |
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 8, 2011 11:55:22 GMT -5
They do say they have analysed DGSS and know where they can improve their job - a promising sign, IMO. Also, I do believe they'll go for something more elaborated and "bigger" this time out, as Liam and Gem mentioned. Liam says they'll be meeting after Christmas to discuss LP #2, so I tend to believe they'll take a short break and will soon start messing around in the studio. Exciting times indeed =)
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Post by songbirdsally on Nov 8, 2011 11:56:45 GMT -5
Hate the I can't read it on my iPhone. Anything interesting other than the vague promise that they're working on stuff? No that's not a great itw. He says the BDI album will be amazing as usual. And Just Liam saying the reunion tour would probaly happened and that him and Noel will put their shit aside. An he talked to Noel's son on the phone, the boy called him Uncle Liam, so it made him think familly fights are stupids. He did what? He talked with Noels son on the phone? So he basicly rang Noel or what? |
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Post by dion on Nov 8, 2011 12:26:55 GMT -5
Noel's sales figures are outstanding for a rock album in this climate. What are you smoking? Have you seen the sales figures for Elbow, Monkeys, Beady Eye, kasabian. chili Peppers, foos? These are all the biggest rock acts in the UK right now. Noel will outsell all of them, some by a huge margin. Even Coldplay, which is the biggest band in the world right now, isn't embarassing Noel in the sales department right now. When did Noel release a rock album? I missed that one. On a side note "They burned Greggs, I've got absolutely no sympathy for the fuckers!" |
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