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Post by gdforever on Oct 1, 2011 12:07:13 GMT -5
With what Noel is doing right now...it got me thinking about BDI.
As the promotional cycle for BDI started Liam said that they would be doing non-album singles again and bringing back the b-side. And they did bring back the b-side for sure. But it's been 8-9 months since the comment about stand-alone singles and BDI still hasn't given us one.
Most of the board seem super excited about ITBWAB proclaiming it one of the best or at least one of the better BDI tunes. But it was relegated to a the 5th single released off DGSS (if you count the promo singles...which I do) which only charted @ 64
I am not as in love with ITBWAB as most...but I'll bow to popular opinion. I can see the appeal, I guess.
Don't you think it would have been awesome to have released ITBWAB as a non-album single? They could have put another quirky tune a la WOMR as a b-side or even a snoozer like TOAK or another cover and I think that the single would have charted much better and gotten them way more attention. Plus it would have meant they probably would have added it to their set list.
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Post by revol on Oct 1, 2011 12:14:39 GMT -5
In my opinion it's not THAT good to be a single, it would lose its "a-good-b-side" appeal. It's not Whatever or Aquiesce.
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Post by LlAM on Oct 1, 2011 12:16:33 GMT -5
Wow. In The Bubble is a good track but no where near A-side material.
It's no where near radio friendly and the production is appalling.
It would sell around 200 copies at best.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 12:21:42 GMT -5
the last minute of ITBWAB kills any chance of being a single, or album track for that matter
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Post by gdforever on Oct 1, 2011 12:31:01 GMT -5
Phew...I am glad that I am not alone thinking that I don't think it's that great of a track. The way it is talked about on the board is incredibly hyperbolic. People putting it in the top tier of BDI tracks and the outraged anger that it was wasted so appallingly. Glad to see it's just the normal hyperbole. I was beginning to think I was alone in not think it was the most amazing thing ever from BDI.
As you were.
I do think a stand-alone single would have been a good idea instead of TBGO.
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Post by GIMH on Oct 1, 2011 12:35:46 GMT -5
The point of a single like TBGO was to promote the album, though.
A standalone single should be released in November to coincide with the UK tour. I guess it clashes with Noel stuff though.
FTR I love ITBWAB but it'd be among the weaker tracks on DGSS.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 1, 2011 12:39:28 GMT -5
The point of a single like TBGO was to promote the album, though. A standalone single should be released in November to coincide with the UK tour. I guess it clashes with Noel stuff though. FTR I love ITBWAB but it'd be among the weaker tracks on DGSS. I guess I understand that...bute really...after 6 months...that album wasn't gonna be significantly helped by another low charting single. However considering the fact that they were heading out to festivals and then a whole other Uk tour a stand-alone single to promote their shows and lives dates might have been a good idea. Whatever the song had been. |
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Post by GIMH on Oct 1, 2011 12:47:58 GMT -5
Yeah, fair point, I probably agree. I imagine the bulk of the people who bought TBGO were people who already owned the album anyway. Not sure you needed to say it twice though  Anyway, to change track slightly, anyone think management are missing a trick by not pitting BDI and Noel singles up against each other? Albums is fair enough, but if you had both release a single on the same day it would probably rocket the sales of both. The British media cannot resist a Liam V Noel story. |
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Post by gdforever on Oct 1, 2011 13:04:40 GMT -5
I think that would have been unfair. Noel's stuff is more radio friendly and his hype was in full swing. Plus if it had been TBGO the sales would still have been dissapointing since that song had been out for 6 months and Noel's tune was new. If it had been Noel's new stuff vs. non-album new BDI single it might have been something to think about.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if it happened some time next year if BDI can can get their ducks in a row for an album release in the summer when the Noel AA album is coming out. But I doubt it.
I have made the point before that the chart battle thing will be very short sighted on the managements part. It would have been great for a few weeks leading up to the single date. But then the week after one of their acts will been seen irrevocably as a loser. And considering the relative charting places so far it would have been BDI that would have been seen as the losers...and do they really need that knock? There were enough insinuations already that Noel was the better artist.
This isn't Oasis and Blur. The reason that Oasis came out of that whole debacle with Blur smelling like roses was that despite them being #2 in the singles battle was that WTSMG sold what it did and they were safely awarded the bragging rights of having won the war.
If one had lost out on the singles battle they probably wouldn't have gone on to beat the other handily in album sales. It would have been a sweep for the winner. And judging by Noel's singles positions in comparison for BDI's and his preorders significantly outnumbering the BDI ones...Noel would have been the winner.
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Post by GIMH on Oct 1, 2011 13:13:33 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I didn't mean TBGO, I meant a brand new tune like.
Anyway, I know what you're getting at, but Beady Eye are gonna be seen as the 'losers' by many anyway. A singles battle would boost single sales and likely the album that followed it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 13:34:49 GMT -5
I really, really like it, well up until the outro anyway. It should never be a single though, would of been awesome album filler but do we even know if the song was finished during the recording of DGSS.
Im not fussed, great little song, who cares what format it was released in.
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Post by GIMH on Oct 1, 2011 13:39:45 GMT -5
No it was a brand new recording especially for the single
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Post by spaneli on Oct 1, 2011 14:01:30 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I didn't mean TBGO, I meant a brand new tune like. Anyway, I know what you're getting at, but Beady Eye are gonna be seen as the 'losers' by many anyway. A singles battle would boost single sales and likely the album that followed it. I think this can summed up by one quote "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln Okay the public already think that Beady Eye are inferior to Noel. Well let them go on thinking that. But don't set up the parameters by which they can prove that once and for all. By pitting the two against each other management would be short sighted. Because if Beady Eye were to lose, it would eliminate all chance of them being their own band and their own artists. They would forever be known as guys who couldn't survive without Noel and had to ride his coat tails to "succeed". And making a battle would forever give any detractors of Beady Eye, all the proof that they need. Why would you want to do that Beady Eye? Is one week high on the charts really worth that? Is getting a few thousand extra albums sold really worth it? Flash in the pan success? I don't think so. And I believe that it would be unfair to both artists to do that. If management want Beady Eye's chart success and reach to grow, then how about Beady Eye make a better album with better songs. But don't make a battle just to give both artists some artificial success. It looks like exactly what it is: two artists who can't make it on their own, using each other. And it would make both of the look bad imo. Beady are seen as inferior. Don't prove it. |
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Post by youandmegirl on Oct 1, 2011 14:14:03 GMT -5
IABWAB<-- WHAT'S THAT?
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Post by GIMH on Oct 1, 2011 14:14:58 GMT -5
I think people are overstating the importance of losing such a battle. You think people would be put off the band because Noel sells more than them one week? You think people would hear a song they like and go 'but Noel charted higher when they squared off, so to hell with it I'm not downloading it'? Seriously?
On the other hand the publicity of a Liam-Noel battle would shift singles and albums.
And just so we're clear, Noel outselling Beady Eye does not 'prove' him as superior.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 1, 2011 14:23:12 GMT -5
I think people are overstating the importance of losing such a battle. You think people would be put off the band because Noel sells more than them one week? You think people would hear a song they like and go 'but Noel charted higher when they squared off, so to hell with it I'm not downloading it'? Seriously? On the other hand the publicity of a Liam-Noel battle would shift singles and albums. And just so we're clear, Noel outselling Beady Eye does not 'prove' him as superior. I think you're over simplyfing and contradicting yourself. You believe that it will generate enough interest for people to pay attention and by a single, but not enough for people to come out of it with a final analysis of either artist? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. People do read. They do watch/hear interviews on the radio. Okay. You don't think that if Beady Eye lost, that that wouldn't be the first thing that every wonk journalist/radio personality would ask? Even if a person didn't come out with a final conclusion, you're assuming that people live in enough of a bubble (no pun intended) to not read nor notice much of the bad press that Beady Eye would get if they were to lose. That quite literally, makes no sense. You can't have it both ways. You can't say that it will get enough attention that people will be willing to shell out money to buy the singles, yet it wouldn't get enough attention to cause any damage to either one of them. That sounds pretty close to impossible. I'll try not to argue the point anymore because I'm suppose to be on a mini hiatus here. But I don't that it would incredibly short sighted for management pit the two against each other. |
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Post by gdforever on Oct 1, 2011 14:30:23 GMT -5
I think people are overstating the importance of losing such a battle. You think people would be put off the band because Noel sells more than them one week? You think people would hear a song they like and go 'but Noel charted higher when they squared off, so to hell with it I'm not downloading it'? Seriously? On the other hand the publicity of a Liam-Noel battle would shift singles and albums. And just so we're clear, Noel outselling Beady Eye does not 'prove' him as superior. No but it enters the narrative of the artists. The fact is that it probably wouldn't have helped either of them long term. It would have just been a handy thing for the media to mention everytime the Noel/BDI comparison comes up. And BDI may have been able to sell a bit more for a few weeks but then after Noel won they'd be no better off. They would just have lost face. The fact is that Noel seems to have been consistently outselling BDI already. He is doing fine on his own. People are already starting to compare the chart success of BDI vs. Noel and finding BDI wanting. Why make it easy and focal for both of them? Right now you have to have paid attention to BDI and Noel to know the discrepency really. But if they made it a chart battle the winner/loser becomes the focal point of the narrative itstead of the side issue that it currently is. The BDI/Noel comparisons in reviews are already annoying...can you imagine how much worse it would be if the Gallaghers were pushing that narrative? For Flash in the Pan success it would work for both. But this is it for BDI and Noel. They don't have a fall back plan except to retire or reunite as Oasis (which isn't happening any time soon). These are their careers now. If they want to have the opportunity to prove they have any longevity they are best off distancing themselves from each other and not feeding the narrative of Noel vs. Liam. There is enough of that anyways. Besides middle aged rock stars battling for supremacy in the middle of the charts is just sad. As i said...they wouldn't be battling for a #1 single. |
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Post by GIMH on Oct 1, 2011 14:31:00 GMT -5
I'm not contradicting myself.
I'm saying the battle would generate publicity, and publicity equals sales
Losing the battle would not cost the band or Noel sales. They'd get some tabloid stick - so what?
Unless you're working on the proviso that people who hadn't heard either song would just assume the losing artist was rubbish. But I don't think people who are likely to be interested in oasis music are going to form their musical opinions that way.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 1, 2011 14:33:19 GMT -5
I think people are overstating the importance of losing such a battle. You think people would be put off the band because Noel sells more than them one week? You think people would hear a song they like and go 'but Noel charted higher when they squared off, so to hell with it I'm not downloading it'? Seriously? On the other hand the publicity of a Liam-Noel battle would shift singles and albums. And just so we're clear, Noel outselling Beady Eye does not 'prove' him as superior. No but it enters the narrative of the artists. The fact is that it probably wouldn't have helped either of them long term. It would have just been a handy thing for the media to mention everytime the Noel/BDI comparison comes up. And BDI may have been able to sell a bit more for a few weeks but then after Noel won The fact is that Noel seems to have been consistently outselling BDI already. He is doing fine on his own. People are already starting to compare the chart success of BDI vs. Noel and finding BDI wanting. Why make it easy and focal for both of them? Right now you make to have paid attention to BDI and Noel to know the discrepency really. But if they made it a chart battle the winner/loser becomes the focal point of the narrative itstead of the side issue that it current is. The BDI/Noel comparisons in reviews are already annoying...can you imagine how much worse it would be if the Gallaghers were pushing that narrative? For Flash in the Pan success it would work for both. But this is it for BDI and Noel. They don't have a fall back plan except to retire or reunite as Oasis (which isn't happening any time soon). These are their careers now. If they want to have the opportunity to prove they have any longevity they are best off distancing themselves from each other and not feeding the narrative of Noel vs. Liam. There is enough of that anyways. Besides middle aged rock stars battling for supremacy in the middle of the charts is just sad. As i said...they wouldn't be battling for a #1 single. Perfect. k+ |
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Post by gdforever on Oct 1, 2011 14:38:57 GMT -5
I'm not contradicting myself. I'm saying the battle would generate publicity, and publicity equals sales Losing the battle would not cost the band or Noel sales. They'd get some tabloid stick - so what? Unless you're working on the proviso that people who hadn't heard either song would just assume the losing artist was rubbish. But I don't think people who are likely to be interested in oasis music are going to form their musical opinions that way. People that had only read the papers when it published that Noel sold significantly more than Liam WOULD write off BDI as rubbish. And think about shit like the Blur vs. Oasis stuff. If they set themselves as adversaries and draw the battle lines then the casual fans WILL pick a side. I remember Damon Albarn talking about the space of time in 1995 when WTSMG was becoming massive and the people that yelled abuse or sang Oasis songs at him in the streets. He said it was miserable. There are still Oasis fans that hate Blur with a passion and Blur fans that hate Oasis with a passion. They are perpetually mentioned as adversaries and always will be. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 14:44:01 GMT -5
I remember Damon Albarn talking about the space of time in 1995 when WTSMG was becoming massive and the people that yelled abuse or sang Oasis songs at him in the streets. He said it was miserable. That was on the No Distance Left To Run film wasn't it? |
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Post by gdforever on Oct 1, 2011 14:46:32 GMT -5
I remember Damon Albarn talking about the space of time in 1995 when WTSMG was becoming massive and the people that yelled abuse or sang Oasis songs at him in the streets. He said it was miserable. That was on the No Distance Left To Run film wasn't it? Never watched it. But I am sure that he has been asked and has talked about that space of time a lot over the years. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 1, 2011 18:59:47 GMT -5
Bubble is a really, really strong b-side - I love it.
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Post by dhamon on Oct 2, 2011 12:44:20 GMT -5
I love ITBWAB but don't see it as a single. It would've been a great album track though if it was written in time.
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 2, 2011 12:50:36 GMT -5
I remember Damon Albarn talking about the space of time in 1995 when WTSMG was becoming massive and the people that yelled abuse or sang Oasis songs at him in the streets. He said it was miserable. That was on the No Distance Left To Run film wasn't it? Nah - on the Live Forever documentary. Here for your viewing pleasure at 7.20! |
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