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Post by honkey on Sept 5, 2011 16:23:35 GMT -5
Its been bugging me since the last Oasis album and Noels new songs have only confirmed it... But the sound of the drumming involved with Sardys production of both albums really peeves me off (I assume Sardys to blame.) It always sounds so flat and tinney, almost as if their natural sound when the drum stick hits the skin on the drum has been taken out on the production as theres no boom or echo. (I apologise for my lack of technical drumming terms.) Its good on The Death of you and Me as that sound suits the production of the song but even on Aka... What a Life I cant help but feel it would sound better if there was more of a louder bosh almost. I think Dig out your Soul is almost ruined by it. Bag it up for instance, great tune but the drums sound like shite... but anyhoo please excuse my slight rant.  I hope it doesnt become more apparent through the rest of Noels album... |
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Post by GIMH on Sept 5, 2011 16:27:27 GMT -5
Can't agree. Enjoyed the drums more on the last two oasis albums than any other (and I was a big fan of Whitey) and LOVE the drumming on what a life
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 16:33:38 GMT -5
It's a bass drum on What a Life, that's how it's meant to sound
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 5, 2011 16:34:31 GMT -5
I would say the drums are the best part of some of his production...
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Post by honkey on Sept 5, 2011 16:35:50 GMT -5
I like the rhythm of the drums on What a Life, but it I think it sounds like on production something is lost and the sound loses some of it intended emotion.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 5, 2011 16:42:06 GMT -5
I think there are far too many arm chair producers on this forum.
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Post by honkey on Sept 5, 2011 16:46:20 GMT -5
Bit harsh, I only made a comment on Sardys production style of the drums.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 5, 2011 16:47:11 GMT -5
I think there are far too many arm chair producers on this forum. Don't you hate Dave Sardy? |
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Post by jesper on Sept 5, 2011 17:21:25 GMT -5
Agree that the drums are quite raw on DYOS and it does spoil some of the songs a bit. On DBTT they sound great. From what we've heard so far it continues to be up and down. TDOYAM is class all way round in the production so is The Good Rebel. But i must admit i find both If I Had a Gun and What A Life leave a lot to be desired production-wise. The drum sound on If i Had a Gun is quite flat and dead, and when the electric guitars kicks in at the last chorus they drown both vocal and drums. Also it quite hard to hear clearly which instruments are on these two tracks and what they play..
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Post by thedon on Sept 5, 2011 17:29:14 GMT -5
The production on If I Had A Gun is fucking woeful and ruined the song.
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Post by deasy on Sept 5, 2011 17:49:21 GMT -5
The drumming on the 2nd verse of AKA...WAL! is fantastic. Pity it's a bit hidden in the track
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Post by J.B on Sept 5, 2011 18:30:09 GMT -5
The production on If I Had A Gun is fucking woeful and ruined the song. I don't know why you make your posts so long; just typing 'wah wah wah' would sum up all you ever say. Or alternatively you could use this smiley:  Either way both of the above get your point across. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 5, 2011 18:31:00 GMT -5
I think there are far too many arm chair producers on this forum. Don't you hate Dave Sardy? Nope, I personally love the sound of all the albums his done with Oasis/Noel. The only major fault is DBTT is mastered too loud but I don't think he mastered it. although I could be wrong. |
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Post by putthisin ® on Sept 5, 2011 18:33:48 GMT -5
IIHAG drumming is so bland it makes me a little sick.
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Post by Bampot on Sept 5, 2011 23:37:38 GMT -5
TDOYAM is class all way round in the production so is The Good Rebel. Sardy had nothing to do with TGR. |
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Post by rmillis on Sept 6, 2011 0:56:46 GMT -5
I think there are far too many arm chair producers on this forum. Agreed. Get a degree in Music Production and attract the likes of Noel Gallagher and other high profile artists before you start critiquing the best in the business. It's laughable at this point.... If anything blame the artist who decided to choose and keep the producer after hearing the final product knobheads. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 2:36:23 GMT -5
so thats Dave Sardy & Steve Lillywhite both been slated yet by some people on here... outrageous that some people nitpick...
if the production bugs some of you so much you must hate the 1st three Oasis albums
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 2:39:07 GMT -5
I think there are far too many arm chair producers on this forum. Agreed. Get a degree in Music Production and attract the likes of Noel Gallagher and other high profile artists before you start critiquing the best in the business. It's laughable at this point.... If anything blame the artist who decided to choose and keep the producer after hearing the final product knobheads. I'm sorry, do I have to have a degree in music production to have an opinion on music? What a load of crock. A lot of people on these forums think that Sardy's middle of the road production on the last two songs limits the sonic and emotional impact of Noel's songs. They think the songs are good, but are not reaching their potential. Just because someone is apparently the "best in the business", doesn't mean we are not able to form an opinion on their work. For example: Bob. What did you think of the last Transformer's movie? Alan. To be honest, I didn't like Bay's direction, I couldn't tell one robot from another. Bob. Get a degree in film studies before you start critiquing the best in the business, knobhead. Can you see why your response is, at best, unfair? We love music, we joined an Oasis forum, and we like to discuss music. A lot of us agree that the arrangements and production on If I Had A Gun and What A Life are not doing the songs any favours. Does that make us arm-chair producers? Probably, but if that's what we choose to do in our free-time, leave us in peace. so thats Dave Sardy & Steve Lillywhite both been slated yet by some people on here... outrageous that some people nitpick... if the production bugs some of you so much you must hate the 1st three Oasis albums Production and engineering are too different things. A good production is about maximising a song's emotional impact. The production on the first two albums is epic, the arrangements are fantastic, and I want to sing along and tap my foot to every song. Sure, the mixing and mastering of those records is not as sonically impressive as SOTSOG, but lord knows which Oasis records best captured the sound of the band in full swing. |
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Post by NowhereLad on Sept 6, 2011 4:17:53 GMT -5
Gotta agree about the drums. To me they sound bloody awful. No punch. Sounds like someones filtered the shit out of them.
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Post by jesper on Sept 6, 2011 5:12:42 GMT -5
A lot of people on these forums think that Sardy's middle of the road production on the last two songs limits the sonic and emotional impact of Noel's songs. They think the songs are good, but are not reaching their potential. Just because someone is apparently the "best in the business", doesn't mean we are not able to form an opinion on their work. Agree..and the more i listen to If I Had A Gun, the worse it gets..and why don't i stop listening to it? Because it's a great song. But actually both production, mixing and the playing is a bit sloppy.. It doesn't seem tight all way through and the arrangements on the guitars is hardly exciting. Compare to The Good Rebel which is a sonic masterpiece - load, clear and tight. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 6, 2011 5:21:31 GMT -5
I kinda agree. Isn't it Noel on drums? Sounds like him.
He drummed on 'Bag It Up' and 'Waiting For The Rapture' on DOYS and I'm not a fan of the drums on either of those tracks. He just doesn't hit them hard enough or something? Although he also drummed on 'Soldier On' and it's fantastic because his style of drumming suits that song and also on 'Half The World Away'
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Post by metaltiger on Sept 6, 2011 11:55:55 GMT -5
Bag IT UP and WFTR were drummed on by Noel in Gem's room I think.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 6, 2011 12:29:06 GMT -5
Bag IT UP and WFTR were drummed on by Noel in Gem's room I think. yeah... on the demo. They were re-recorded in the studio. |
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 6, 2011 13:13:04 GMT -5
IMO it sounds more like a drum machine instead of real drums.
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Post by songbirdsally on Sept 6, 2011 13:51:27 GMT -5
The drums are very repetitive, and yeah I don't like the sound of them either.
Drums can add so much to a song, but they ain't doing the trick this time. Noel should considder asking a real/professional drum player doing the drums, not doing it all by himself.. No point in that..
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