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Post by Bampot on Jul 27, 2011 16:42:57 GMT -5
I kind of agree. Gem's guitar playing, while technically good, is very workman like. You get no feeling from him at all. just a thought..... maybe Gem's 'unflashy' playing is exactly what Oasis, and specifically Noel wanted. that's my guess. Gem, and Andy for that matter, fit perfectly into the Oasis fold without causing a stir. yeah, they write good songs but more importantly they don't overshadow Noel. i really don't think Noel wanted a 'great' guitar player in Oasis besides himself, i'd almost guarantee that, that'd take the spotlight off Noel. that's one thing i give Oasis credit for, picking good replacement members. a great, standout guitarist wouldn't have ever worked alongside Noel, it just wouldn't. and, Noel himself said he doesn't really collaborate when writing. Gem served his purpose for Oasis, he was almost like a glorified session player that also wrote decent songs. it worked. think about it. Oasis' live sound starting on the HC tour became too much about Gem's guitar sound and Liam's comical vocals. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 27, 2011 16:45:53 GMT -5
just a thought..... maybe Gem's 'unflashy' playing is exactly what Oasis, and specifically Noel wanted. that's my guess. Gem, and Andy for that matter, fit perfectly into the Oasis fold without causing a stir. yeah, they write good songs but more importantly they don't overshadow Noel. i really don't think Noel wanted a 'great' guitar player in Oasis besides himself, i'd almost guarantee that, that'd take the spotlight off Noel. that's one thing i give Oasis credit for, picking good replacement members. a great, standout guitarist wouldn't have ever worked alongside Noel, it just wouldn't. and, Noel himself said he doesn't really collaborate when writing. Gem served his purpose for Oasis, he was almost like a glorified session player that also wrote decent songs. it worked. think about it. Oasis' live sound starting on the HC tour became too much about Gem's guitar sound and Liam's comical vocals. ok. but Gem still served his purpose in the band. his playing never bothered me, nor did it really excite me either. i think that was the point. |
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Post by gaspanic23 on Jul 27, 2011 16:47:08 GMT -5
Andy wrote the music for Leave Them All Behind? Got anything to back that up my good sir? Same thing goes for the songs on Nowhere that you gave him full credit for. Note that I was mainly speaking about his input since Going Blank Again and forth, I though I made that clear. Everything else on that list of yours is complete and utter shit. 'Forth' is by The Verve you tit. And nowhere in your first post did you mention the "time period" you were referring to. HAHA, "speaking about his input since Going Blank Again?" So you're going to ignore the songs he wrote for Nowhere and Going Blank Again, their two defining albums? Haha, what a fuck you are. That's like saying you're going to ignore Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory when assessing Noel Gallagher's songwriting contributions to Oasis. You are a complete mong. As for substantiated proof, I have an old interview somewhere with Andy and Mark where they basically attribute all credits for ideas, music and lyrics of every single RIDE song. I can assure you these were all written 100% by Andy and that he wrote the music for Leave Them All Behind. Also, if you don't like the majority of the songs on that list, then you clearly don't understand what RIDE was all about and your opinion is meaningless to me. Do you seriously don't know the meaning of 'forth'? I though my English was shit! As for Ride's music, I love Nowhere* and I like a couple of songs from GBA. Other than that they were an average Indie/Dream Pop band. It's the first I heard of this interview you speak of, but I'll take your word for it. I remember reading that the songwriting on Nowhere was collaborative but you seem confident so I'll give you that. I still stand by what I was saying at first though, decent lyricist, average songwriter. See: Every song he wrote for Oasis, Hurricane #1, Beady Eye and Ride (after Nowhere, happy? ;D) *Original release, didn't think much of the songs included on later reissues, except for Here & Now and Nowhere. |
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Post by Bampot on Jul 27, 2011 16:48:54 GMT -5
Oasis' live sound starting on the HC tour became too much about Gem's guitar sound and Liam's comical vocals. ok. but Gem still served his purpose in the band. his playing never bothered me, nor did it really excite me either. i think that was the point. Well in any case, I'm excited to have an album and tour without Gem's influence on Noel. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 27, 2011 16:50:20 GMT -5
ok. but Gem still served his purpose in the band. his playing never bothered me, nor did it really excite me either. i think that was the point. Well in any case, I'm excited to have an album and tour without Gem's influence on Noel. that's cool. though, i am wondering if Gem wronged you in a past life or something. just kidding, i think. |
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Post by Bampot on Jul 27, 2011 16:57:49 GMT -5
Well in any case, I'm excited to have an album and tour without Gem's influence on Noel. that's cool. though, i am wondering if Gem wronged you in a past life or something. just kidding, i think.  |
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Post by Bampot on Jul 27, 2011 17:01:16 GMT -5
'Forth' is by The Verve you tit. And nowhere in your first post did you mention the "time period" you were referring to. HAHA, "speaking about his input since Going Blank Again?" So you're going to ignore the songs he wrote for Nowhere and Going Blank Again, their two defining albums? Haha, what a fuck you are. That's like saying you're going to ignore Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory when assessing Noel Gallagher's songwriting contributions to Oasis. You are a complete mong. As for substantiated proof, I have an old interview somewhere with Andy and Mark where they basically attribute all credits for ideas, music and lyrics of every single RIDE song. I can assure you these were all written 100% by Andy and that he wrote the music for Leave Them All Behind. Also, if you don't like the majority of the songs on that list, then you clearly don't understand what RIDE was all about and your opinion is meaningless to me. Do you seriously don't know the meaning of 'forth'? I though my English was shit! I will give you this one.  Fair enough, but to discount Andy's contribution to RIDE is ridiculous. He was that band. |
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Jul 27, 2011 17:09:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree... Liam's voice is horrible now. But Noel's voice is at the best it has ever been.
And I believe Andy and Gem set a nice vibe with Oasis. Although their contributions weren't all that, they still held their own when it came down to actually hanging with Noel and Liam. But I think Liam hurt Oasis the most... His music was nothing more than average to me, and because of his arrogance and bad timing, we missed out on two potentially great tracks for DOYS with him on vocals, when his vocals were still top notch.
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Post by Bampot on Jul 27, 2011 17:14:45 GMT -5
His music was nothing more than average to me, and because of his arrogance and bad timing, we missed out on two potentially great tracks for DOYS with him on vocals, when his vocals were still top notch. Correct. |
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Post by masterplan2011 on Jul 27, 2011 17:22:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree... Liam's voice is horrible now. But Noel's voice is at the best it has ever been. And I believe Andy and Gem set a nice vibe with Oasis. Although their contributions weren't all that, they still held their own when it came down to actually hanging with Noel and Liam. But I think Liam hurt Oasis the most... His music was nothing more than average to me, and because of his arrogance and bad timing, we missed out on two potentially great tracks for DOYS with him on vocals, when his vocals were still top notch. You can't say Liam hurt Oasis the most, that's insane! Him and Noel made Oasis. I could ramble on for ages about this but just think of Noel singing C & A or SMS for example, it wouldn't have worked. He didn't hurt Oasis, he made Oasis who they are today along with Noel. They needed each other. I don't see Oasis as a damaged band whereas without Noel, Beady Eye seem like a damaged band for me. |
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Jul 27, 2011 17:26:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree... Liam's voice is horrible now. But Noel's voice is at the best it has ever been. And I believe Andy and Gem set a nice vibe with Oasis. Although their contributions weren't all that, they still held their own when it came down to actually hanging with Noel and Liam. But I think Liam hurt Oasis the most... His music was nothing more than average to me, and because of his arrogance and bad timing, we missed out on two potentially great tracks for DOYS with him on vocals, when his vocals were still top notch. You can't say Liam hurt Oasis the most, that's insane! Him and Noel made Oasis. I could ramble on for ages about this but just think of Noel singing C & A or SMS for example, it wouldn't have worked. He didn't hurt Oasis, he made Oasis who they are today along with Noel. They needed each other. I don't see Oasis as a damaged band whereas without Noel, Beady Eye seem like a damaged band for me. I'm not talking about the earlier days of Oasis, I mean around the time Andy and Gem joined. Sorry, should've clarified that... But yeah, without Liam on those first 3 albums or so, Oasis would've basically been nothing. |
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Post by Bampot on Jul 27, 2011 17:37:00 GMT -5
You can't say Liam hurt Oasis the most, that's insane! Him and Noel made Oasis. I could ramble on for ages about this but just think of Noel singing C & A or SMS for example, it wouldn't have worked. He didn't hurt Oasis, he made Oasis who they are today along with Noel. They needed each other. I don't see Oasis as a damaged band whereas without Noel, Beady Eye seem like a damaged band for me. I'm not talking about the earlier days of Oasis, I mean around the time Andy and Gem joined. Sorry, should've clarified that... But yeah, without Liam on those first 3 albums or so, Oasis would've basically been nothing. Exactly. |
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Post by masterplan2011 on Jul 27, 2011 17:38:23 GMT -5
I'm not talking about the earlier days of Oasis, I mean around the time Andy and Gem joined. Sorry, should've clarified that... But yeah, without Liam on those first 3 albums or so, Oasis would've basically been nothing.[/quote]
Yeah you could argue that alright. But take Liam out the equation and they would have been a happy bunch with great songs but without a charismatic front man. Take Noel out of the equation and you get Beady Eye, a enthusiastic group with good if not great songs.
I don't think Liam at his vocally best could have made Noel's songs post 2000 great because many of them weren't great. Also, Noel's control freak like nature, I think made Liam really not bothered about sounding perfect vocally. They both contributed heavily to the break-up of Oasis, I wouldn't say a downfall musically myself because I love even their later albums.
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Post by thesargeant on Jul 27, 2011 17:44:24 GMT -5
Agree with your first two points, son. But Gem's guitar playing was not "anti-Oasis" at all, his solos and riffs complimented Oasis' later sound perfectly. He never said a word on stage, yet he was probably the most charasmatic and expressive member of the band. Being a guitarist myself, Gem as a guitarist is a massive influence on me and I think he was absolutely perfect for Oasis 2000-2009, plus he's such a down to earth and cool guy.
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Post by rupertg on Jul 27, 2011 18:44:37 GMT -5
I hope Noel keeps the 'high' singing to a minimum on the new album.
Gem took a lot of pressure off Noel at the gigs. Morning Glory musically never sounded better live. Also on the last tour Noel could play a lot of acoustic guitar while Gem plays an electric lead. Plus Noel said he misses Gem the most from the split.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 19:34:32 GMT -5
I have no problem with Gem. He did move away from the wall of sound that defined Oasis' early sound, but I'm willing to bet that was Noel's goal (because if it wasn't, I'm sure he'd have no problem sacking Gem and getting someone else). He was a little stuff sometimes, but most of the time I thought he sounded pretty great.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Jul 27, 2011 20:38:48 GMT -5
1. No cringe worthy Liam vocals I love him and what he meant to Oasis, but his voice is horrendous now. 2. First 100% Noel-penned album since 1997 Again, Liam had a few great tunes but most of his songs are weak. Although Andy wrote some classic songs in RIDE, his Oasis tunes never approached those standards. I could do without every single Gem song he wrote for Oasis as well. 3. No more Gem I used to like him, but fuck me did he really start to get on my tits the last 4 years or so. Although an immensely talented guitarist, I'd had enough of his guitar style, which I thought was "anti-Oasis" and, along with Liam's declining vocals, ruined the classic Oasis sound more than anything else. 1) Not for me. Liam sings well now. He didn't sing well in late Oasis. If he growls, it's shite. If he sings, still really impactful. 2) HECK YES. HECCKKKKKK YES. "All songs by Noel Gallagher" is a phrase that makes a man literally erect. Liam's songs generally good, mind. Bottom line - Oasis was Liam singing Noel, and that didn't happen nearly enough in later albums. 3) No opinion. Oasis is Bonehead, Guigs and Whitey and will be forever. That's who I fell in love with in 1995. I'd pay a fortune to see that lineup reunited. |
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Post by mkinetic on Jul 27, 2011 21:02:24 GMT -5
Give Andy Bell all the shit you want, but Turn Up The Sun is a great tune
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Post by oasisfanboy on Jul 27, 2011 21:08:53 GMT -5
Give Andy Bell all the shit you want, but Turn Up The Sun is a great tune It's Beady Eye; it's good to very good and well worth a listen, but not great. Noel Gallagher's songs are great. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 27, 2011 21:28:50 GMT -5
The best part of the song to me, are the lyrics in general. It is refreshing for Noel to finally concentrate on his lyrics again, rather than making a whole song full of shine, silver, soul, city, town, mind, or brain, and him rhyming anything that has "ay" at the end of it, a million times. Instead, he just used soul and shine. The lyrics seem to mean something more with this song, because he using other phrasings and terms, rather than a collection of stock words, or phrases that he's used a million times. A) This is the wrong thread. I think you are looking for the one a couple down called "favorite thing about TDOYAM" B) he also uses city |
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Post by Bampot on Jul 27, 2011 21:32:04 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Jul 27, 2011 21:44:18 GMT -5
The best part of the song to me, are the lyrics in general. It is refreshing for Noel to finally concentrate on his lyrics again, rather than making a whole song full of shine, silver, soul, city, town, mind, or brain, and him rhyming anything that has "ay" at the end of it, a million times. Instead, he just used soul and shine. The lyrics seem to mean something more with this song, because he using other phrasings and terms, rather than a collection of stock words, or phrases that he's used a million times. A) This is the wrong thread. I think you are looking for the one a couple down called "favorite thing about TDOYAM" B) he also uses city Yeah, I just realized it was the wrong thread. I'll delete my post, and re-post it there.  |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 27, 2011 22:00:35 GMT -5
i liked your 'Bert' avatar more. fucker!!!! |
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 28, 2011 9:32:25 GMT -5
gem is way to cool for beady eye. a shame that he wasn't in team noel
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Post by johnnyrotten on Jul 28, 2011 11:35:17 GMT -5
Last performance of Liam that I loved was Glasgow Barrowlands 2001. Gem is a fantastic guitarist and really wish he had chosen to go along with Noel. No doubt about it, Noel is the genius behind Oasis and will always write a much higher quality song than the others, he is, after all, the best songwriter of not only his generation, but all others that will follow until the end of time.... Hopefully a bit longer than 2012.
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