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Post by Headmaster on Jul 14, 2011 13:57:23 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Noel dind't sucked americans record companies cock like Coldplay.
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 14, 2011 14:04:00 GMT -5
I reckon Lookingtothesky has it bang on. Noel isn't a performer and therefore the general audience probably won't ever have the chance to hear his music. Its a shame, but at the end of the day its us the fans who he wants to enjoy his music.. Was Bob Dylan a great "performer"?..... |
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Post by LlAM on Jul 14, 2011 15:03:08 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Noel dind't sucked americans record companies cock like Coldplay. Are Coldplay big in America? |
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Post by lookingtothesky on Jul 14, 2011 15:07:53 GMT -5
That was something he was called, yes. Also known as a "great musician" (though, personally, I hate his fucking music).
But that was back when it was all about the music; Led Zeppelin, The Stones, etc. Now "performers" have a completely new connotation, where the music is more the back-burner, and the costumes, make-up, and dance and sex appeal are mainstream hype. That's why Britney Spears, Gaga, and all that other shit sells much more than Noel.
Noel is right, though. If he were mainstream today it would mean he was shit. I wouldn't agree with him if he said that twenty years ago, but today he's right. I think if he sells records and has similar success that the Foo Fighters did this album/tour, then he's doing well.
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Post by drteter on Jul 14, 2011 15:25:09 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Noel dind't sucked americans record companies cock like Coldplay. Are Coldplay big in America? Very, unfortunately. |
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Post by CFC2013 on Jul 14, 2011 17:09:44 GMT -5
Americans also like their tragedy. For whatever reason, moreso than other parts of the world, we are attracted to figures like Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, Kid Cudi, 50 cent, Lil' Wayne, Enimem, etc. We like hearing stories about personal suffering. It's like we see it as entertainment or something. I have no clue why. We would rather listen to shit about Kid Cudi's father being absent in his life and how it fucked him up than a uplifting song like Supersonic or All Around The World. Maybe its why shit like the Casey Anthony trial is so popular.
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Post by matt on Jul 14, 2011 17:16:01 GMT -5
I'll tell you one reason why Americans get into so much bad habits musically, and that is MTV. Over here, it's the same as BBC Radio 1 is the equivalent of MTV.
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Post by thuperthonic on Jul 14, 2011 17:50:03 GMT -5
The masses are brainless. They just swallow up whatever entertainment they are told to like.
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Post by WHATEVER on Jul 14, 2011 23:42:14 GMT -5
I'll tell you one reason why Americans get into so much bad habits musically, and that is MTV. Over here, it's the same as BBC Radio 1 is the equivalent of MTV. music isn't even played on mtv anymore but you are right watching mtv will definitely turn you into a mindless moron |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 0:28:52 GMT -5
That was something he was called, yes. Also known as a "great musician" (though, personally, I hate his fucking music). But that was back when it was all about the music; Led Zeppelin, The Stones, etc. Now "performers" have a completely new connotation, where the music is more the back-burner, and the costumes, make-up, and dance and sex appeal are mainstream hype. That's why Britney Spears, Gaga, and all that other shit sells much more than Noel. Noel is right, though. If he were mainstream today it would mean he was shit. I wouldn't agree with him if he said that twenty years ago, but today he's right. I think if he sells records and has similar success that the Foo Fighters did this album/tour, then he's doing well. There is absolutely no way Noel will reach the level of success the Foos have had this tour or any of their tours for that matter. They've been one of the biggest American rock bands of the past decade, they're only playing arenas and amphitheaters this tour, and scored a #1 with 230k records sold in the first week. Noel will probably get a top 20/30 and play in theaters, I can't see him getting any bigger than that unless he has a real ace under his sleeves and, even then, there's no way he'd reach Foo Fighter levels; they're about mainstream rock as you can get. To be honest though, as much as I love David Grohl, their new album is pretty rubbish. I'd take Gaga over them at this point in time. |
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Post by Lundblad on Jul 15, 2011 9:22:36 GMT -5
I like your analysis, Rifles. Karma. As far as I understand, the American market is very special with its size and attractiveness, which makes it hard to penetrate. So you have to play the full game (or have a huge amount of luck, like Roxette for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxette#1988.E2.80.931990:_Look_Sharp.21). But it should also be noted that for example Dig Out Your Soul charted #5 in the US, which is actually better than they charted here in Sweden. So I guess they were not totally forgotten. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jul 15, 2011 9:55:58 GMT -5
I'd say that the UK is the exception, not the US. Sure, the US are even "worse" than most other countries, but the charts here in Germany or in most other European countries I know of aren't that different. I don't know any other countries expect the UK that have managed to keep their charts full of (mostly) actual good music - consider yourself lucky.
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Post by Rifles on Jul 15, 2011 10:25:28 GMT -5
I like your analysis, Rifles. Karma. As far as I understand, the American market is very special with its size and attractiveness, which makes it hard to penetrate. So you have to play the full game (or have a huge amount of luck, like Roxette for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxette#1988.E2.80.931990:_Look_Sharp.21). But it should also be noted that for example Dig Out Your Soul charted #5 in the US, which is actually better than they charted here in Sweden. So I guess they were not totally forgotten. Thanks  I just have one comment on the DOYS thing. It was nice to see them hit #5, don't get me wrong, but that was a sllloooowwww week for album sales. DOYS actually sold the same amount or a little less than the previous 2 albums, which I believe charted in the 20-24 range. It's not like they were starting to break through again, they just happened to drop their album on a good week. I'm pretty sure those #'s are correct. There are people that know the sales figures by heart, so i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm off. |
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Post by monkian on Jul 15, 2011 11:41:25 GMT -5
I'd say that the UK is the exception, not the US. Sure, the US are even "worse" than most other countries, but the charts here in Germany or in most other European countries I know of aren't that different. I don't know any other countries expect the UK that have managed to keep their charts full of (mostly) actual good music - consider yourself lucky. No our charts are shit too... www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singlesI'm lucky enough to have only heard about 3 tunes from that I can tell it's awful just by the artists in it. |
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jul 15, 2011 11:51:34 GMT -5
I reckon Lookingtothesky has it bang on. Noel isn't a performer and therefore the general audience probably won't ever have the chance to hear his music. Its a shame, but at the end of the day its us the fans who he wants to enjoy his music.. Was Bob Dylan a great "performer"?..... Bob Dylan was a generation talent in a cohesive music scene. |
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Jul 15, 2011 11:54:22 GMT -5
I ve said it before. The night at the MTV Awards where Liam spits at the end of Champagne Supernova on the stage.....Was the end of Oasis in AMERICA....
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Post by bwilder on Jul 15, 2011 12:44:54 GMT -5
Never understood why Oasis didn't really pick up in the US. Seems the only songs they've heard are Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova. Any takers on the reason? Their obsession with grunge? They were pretty damn big around Wonderwall and CS. They had MTV specials and all that. I was 13-14 at the time and everyone knew those 2 songs and a lot of people bought the album. There were a few things working against them. - 1. Their arrogance was a big one. The American public doesn't like over-confidence.
- 2. They were constantly compared to the Beatles and there was a stupid "British Invasion 2.0" thing going on, so instead of just being a band, they were a foreign band.
- 3. They cancelled their US tour and it was painted as a slap in the face to the US.
It was a typical "build them up and knock them down" situation. Oasis were painted as the villain, but since they were "foreigners" and didn't seem to care what anyone thought, no one ever cared to cover or facilitate their redemption. It was doomed from the start trying to recreate Beatlemania. It was made out like they were coming to conquer the US or something, so when the media turned on them everyone just sort of laughed them off and it became a joke. That's why so many Americans use them as a punchline. They see them as outsiders and over the years no one in the media has ever told them Oasis were cool again. They remain that band who thought they were the shit but disappeared. One correction: They were arrogant AND British. That's a key component. Guns N' Roses, Eminem, Limp Bizkit (ugh...remember them?) Prince, Madonna, Lady Ga Ga, etc. These people are extremely arrogant but because they are American, the U.S. didn't mind. I'm telling you, America has a certain xenophobia when it comes to celebrities. We you to like us and kiss our ass (Thanks U2 and coldplay!) Oasis didn't play the game. The Beatles actually played it perfectly (no surprise there). They could be sarcastic but playful. If you watch some of the old interviews when they first arrived, they could be arrogant but they sugarcoated it with jokes and smiles...and most of the jokes went over people's heads anyway. Reporter: "When are you getting a haircut?" George: "I had one yesterday." Perfect. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 15, 2011 12:58:35 GMT -5
They were pretty damn big around Wonderwall and CS. They had MTV specials and all that. I was 13-14 at the time and everyone knew those 2 songs and a lot of people bought the album. There were a few things working against them. - 1. Their arrogance was a big one. The American public doesn't like over-confidence.
- 2. They were constantly compared to the Beatles and there was a stupid "British Invasion 2.0" thing going on, so instead of just being a band, they were a foreign band.
- 3. They cancelled their US tour and it was painted as a slap in the face to the US.
It was a typical "build them up and knock them down" situation. Oasis were painted as the villain, but since they were "foreigners" and didn't seem to care what anyone thought, no one ever cared to cover or facilitate their redemption. It was doomed from the start trying to recreate Beatlemania. It was made out like they were coming to conquer the US or something, so when the media turned on them everyone just sort of laughed them off and it became a joke. That's why so many Americans use them as a punchline. They see them as outsiders and over the years no one in the media has ever told them Oasis were cool again. They remain that band who thought they were the shit but disappeared. One correction: They were arrogant AND British. That's a key component. Guns N' Roses, Eminem, Limp Bizkit (ugh...remember them?) Prince, Madonna, Lady Ga Ga, etc. These people are extremely arrogant but because they are American, the U.S. didn't mind. I'm telling you, America has a certain xenophobia when it comes to celebrities. We you to like us and kiss our ass (Thanks U2 and coldplay!) Oasis didn't play the game. The Beatles actually played it perfectly (no surprise there). They could be sarcastic but playful. If you watch some of the old interviews when they first arrived, they could be arrogant but they sugarcoated it with jokes and smiles...and most of the jokes went over people's heads anyway. Reporter: "When are you getting a haircut?" George: "I had one yesterday." Perfect. i'm not really sure. some of the bands you mentioned like Limp Bisquick, Lady Ga Ga.....etc, Eminen is talented, Guns n Roses are great, Axel Rose is a dildo, weren't and aren't taken that seriously, i.e. Lady Gaga, Limp Bisquick. i actually heard a Lady Gaga song for the first time about two weeks, it was like a mixture of about 15 different songs with a singer that looked like an idiot dressed for Halloween. for seriously, the song was ok, but missing something. bottomline, all those bands, i'm not really that familiar with Prince,he's alright, iguess, lacked the songs and the image to be really successsful, like for real successsful. it's one thing to sell million of records to kids and idiots, it's another to be respected and also be successsful, only a few of those, forementioned bands/artists had that, and Oasis certainly did have that but kinda fucked that up by not kissing ass. i hate that success is measured in success rather than respect. |
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Post by Rifles on Jul 15, 2011 13:58:14 GMT -5
They were pretty damn big around Wonderwall and CS. They had MTV specials and all that. I was 13-14 at the time and everyone knew those 2 songs and a lot of people bought the album. There were a few things working against them. - 1. Their arrogance was a big one. The American public doesn't like over-confidence.
- 2. They were constantly compared to the Beatles and there was a stupid "British Invasion 2.0" thing going on, so instead of just being a band, they were a foreign band.
- 3. They cancelled their US tour and it was painted as a slap in the face to the US.
One correction: They were arrogant AND British. That's a key component. Guns N' Roses, Eminem, Limp Bizkit (ugh...remember them?) Prince, Madonna, Lady Ga Ga, etc. These people are extremely arrogant but because they are American, the U.S. didn't mind. I'm telling you, America has a certain xenophobia when it comes to celebrities. We you to like us and kiss our ass (Thanks U2 and coldplay!) Oasis didn't play the game. The Beatles actually played it perfectly (no surprise there). They could be sarcastic but playful. If you watch some of the old interviews when they first arrived, they could be arrogant but they sugarcoated it with jokes and smiles...and most of the jokes went over people's heads anyway. Reporter: "When are you getting a haircut?" George: "I had one yesterday." Perfect. I actually made that point above about them not being American. I also agree with your comments about jokes and the like. The Beatles came across as somewhat charming because they would joke and laugh etc. Oasis would make arrogant statements and just sit there all deadpan which led people to think they were serious all the time. I think they represent themselves much better now and Americans would have an easier time accepting them...BUT their time has passed and that's not gonna happen. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 15, 2011 14:03:34 GMT -5
I agree with the reasons for why they didn't quite make it in America but I wouldn't change the way they were for anything. They were young and wanted to conquer the world, not stop global warming and it was great.
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 15, 2011 14:35:57 GMT -5
I agree with the reasons for why they didn't quite make it in America but I wouldn't change the way they were for anything. They were young and wanted to conquer the world, not stop global warming and it was great. yeah. i got to grow up as a young kid, like 17 or 18, with Oasis in their prime. it was a breath of fresh air and certainly helped shaped me into the person i am today. i woudn't trade it for the world. |
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Post by Lundblad on Jul 15, 2011 20:26:37 GMT -5
I just have one comment on the DOYS thing. It was nice to see them hit #5, don't get me wrong, but that was a sllloooowwww week for album sales. DOYS actually sold the same amount or a little less than the previous 2 albums, which I believe charted in the 20-24 range. It's not like they were starting to break through again, they just happened to drop their album on a good week. I'm pretty sure those #'s are correct. There are people that know the sales figures by heart, so i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm off. Ah, didn't know about that. |
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Post by hanofjoh99 on Jul 15, 2011 22:15:02 GMT -5
I live in America. I don't think Noel has a chance of making it big here. This country is too dumb to enjoy him. The music scene over here is far too fucked to appreciate anything I consider valuable. America considers the performance over the music, which is why 'musicians' like Lady Gaga are huge. Plus, we like spectacles. If Noel castrated himself and got the surgery for woman parts, his album would definitely get number one. I absolutely agree with you, if America had any idea what's good for them then we would see and hear good music on the radio and on TV. I say there's more hope for him in Canada (I'm from Montreal, go habs go!? at least for some moderate success Johan |
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