"the bad would've suffered" "it would've been a loss to the band" "the band the band the band...."
fucking retarded, what part of everyone was on board except for Noel don't you get?

Didn't we all see Andy and Gem wearing PG gear during the last tour? well then!? they were obviously fine with it and had no problem with Liam advertising his clothing line, in fact they pitched in the way they could. Noel was being the control freak that he is and didn't like it. It wasn't just his band, it was also Liam Gem and Andy's .
brain-dead fanboys will be brain-dead fanboys i guess..

Hasnt Noel gone out of his way to stop his music being used in advertising?

I can see the argument from both sides.

Noel wanting to avoid being the Rolling Stones by selling advertising on anything thats no nailed down on their tours.

Liam having a new clothing venture which would be aimed at the very people going to the gigs.

Its not just Noel / Liams band, like others have said its a business. As is PG, and every company needs to pay for their advertising. My company has to pay for things between their various different set ups, so why is this any different?

Andy isnt to blame any more than any other band member, theyve been at it for nearly 2 decades and with age and families one was always going to say "you know what, it dont need this" its the musical equivalent of an abusive marriage, keep going back just because you've got kids and a mortgage.

Clearly they were not happy to co exist in a band. Now both of them arent having to grind out music in the shadow of each other. Beady Eye all seem happy, peaceful and productive, as does Noel, hopefully this produces better and better music which is why we are all here.

Nice one, knilly. K+ for you. Well said...and totally sane. Nice change of pace for this particular topic.

This is a quote from Noel's conference yesterday, about THE fight: "I'll never forget... I'm looking at Andy [Bell] and he's constantly counting how many shoes he's got on. And he didn't say anything."
In his statement when he left Oasis, he said something about being intimidated (obviously that was Liam) and lack of support from others in the Oasis camp. Looking back, that must've been directed squarely at Andy, as he's still on good terms with Gem and, more surprisingly, Chris.

Never knew Noel disliked Andy so much, Noels conference makes it sound like he hates him just as much as Liam. If the argument with Liam and Noel at that particular point was only verbal and not physical then I think Andy did the right thing by not getting involved and escalating it further, BUT, if Noels on about the point where Liam tried to 'physically' attack him with the guitar or anything else then yeah, maybe other people who were there should of stepped in to cool things down.

I get the feeling there's more to the Andy and Noel thing though, as well as a lot more detail about that night it all ended that Noels leaving out.

Makes me laugh, Liams meant to be the loudmouth yob and yet he's been the more sensible one by keeping his own views and opinions on what happened that night to himself.

Really wish Noel had done the same yesterday, just said 'Oasis is over', rather than using it as an opportunity to blame Liam (and Andy just as much), ... 'and THIS is what I'm gonna be doing next'... etc.

Toooooooooooooo much to read lol,chris seems laid back & easy to get on with like gem,andy seems ok but it's hard to tell in interviews,it's off cameras you can never tell.I think they're all great.

I dont see how noel can be threatened by andy .. just look at the b-sides he wrote ... i guarantee noel's album will be amazing.It's great we're having more great music,noel's next album's out next year & beady eye are releasing a 2nd album next year,should be good.

I think noel will sell more though.

The other aspect of this is that we all assume that Andy didn't step in because he didn't want to get involved. Maybe Andy didn't step in because he thought Liam was right?

Noel would have us believe that Liam came raging into the dressing room because of the bad press that was coming out of the Oasis camp which Liam thought originated with Noel. Well the bad press had to come from somewhere, right? Would Liam spread bad press about himself? I doubt it.

So, consider that Andy was sat there watching Noel and Liam go at it again and Andy thought "Well, I'm not getting between these two maniacs and I'm especially not telling Noel that I agree with Liam because this will only get worse." Would anyone here have acted differently?

Noel would never admit it but I'm sure as he was putting together the documentary footage for "Time Flies" it must've struck him that the only ex-member of the band that he has a functional relationship with is Gem. Kind of sad, isn't it? This man made them all rich beyond their wildest dreams and yet none of them speak to him. When they all still get on well with Liam (bar Alan), it's gotta make you wonder.

Noel Gallagher gave Andy Bell the chance of a lifetime, let's not forget that.

You figure? ;D ;D

Let me lend some perspective if I may:

1. First, the notion that Andy's contributions have outweighed Noel's over the last decade (and Noel was somehow 'jealous') are of course absurd.

Just take Noel's (6) from DOYS ALONE against Andy's BDI input AND his Oasis contributions. DOYS alone...vs all of Andy's. Last decade. Done.

2. More importantly, an angle on feuding brothers. I have one I'm 18 months apart from, and while he's my best friend in the world, I can also tell you that we've been in the most destructive and hurtful physical and emotional arguments you've ever seen.

And while I understand why some would be hesitant to get involved (in our case especially, as we're 6' 3/4" ~240lbs and avid weight lifters), I cannot tell you how scorned you feel when people sit idly by and not come to your defense when you KNOW (lol) that YOU'RE right.

You especially cannot take light someone's earlier point that perfectly likeable guys otherwise can be (very stealth-like I might add) colossal dicks to their own brothers. My brother had this down to an art form for nearly a decade: "I'm the victim, you're the cock."

I was guilty at times myself.

Still, especially when I was younger, I was incensed at those close to BOTH of us not taking sides. Again, I understand their apprehension, but it simply didn't matter, what's (and who's) right is right, right?

I see many, many, many similarities between the Gallaghers and my relationship with my brother, and no, I don't know them.

A deep, deep jealously on BOTH sides. An inability (especially under the influence of alcohol) to get along in even the lightest of moments (how many colossal fights have we heard about between them that started from nothing?). A simple lack of respect for the others role within the band...irrespective of what they say publicly about one another. An ongoing battle of one upsmanship...we've seen it in the press and you know it goes on in social circles.

It gets real old, and I can imagine that if it's been going on for 2-3 decades a forty-something could call it quits real quick over one big blow-up...seen it happen a million times with siblings who get up there in age...you have your own families and lives and simply do not want to deal with the bullshit anymore. Noel's a forty-something human and I doubt he's much different.

I see and hear this in Noel's face, voice, and attitude crystal clear.

Who knows how Gem handled all of it? I can tell you that even if he went to Noel later on at times and said "yeah Liam was being a vagina, you were right"...blah blah blah- even that could mean a lot to someone, especially when contrasted with Andy who may not have EVER said a word, or worse, appeared to side with Liam at times.

Yeah, it's all childish, but what I'm saying is don't underestimate how this kind of stuff sits with someone, even a full-fledged "adult".

If Noel and Andy never were really best of pals to begin with, I can assure you that this could EASILY have been the proverbial nail in the coffin with their relationship.

^ Ummmm. Do we need an Oasis history lesson? Tony and Liam really got along well, just ask Liam.

And nevermind the fact there's been 7 members in the band over 2 decades not named Liam or Noel, not 70...hardly a template for making generalizations.