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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 6, 2011 21:07:08 GMT -5
Am i the only one who would love Andy to call a press conference tommorow?
Or just make a song called N.O.E.L and his shit 22 AA remixes
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Post by Mr. Sifter on Jul 6, 2011 21:22:39 GMT -5
When LG told his side of the story, most people thought Noel was a dick. And now when he's told his side of it, it's not even LG we're coming down on, it's fucking Andy! Seriously, those brothers and their fights were probably a huge pain in the arse for the other band members. It seems no of them intervened, so why are we just bagging on Andy?
I'm sorry to say, I know we don't know them personally, but I'm quite certain the other band members would say and/or do something if LG came in and tried to hit Noel with a guitar... Seriously, if he came in with his guitar swinging, even if they wouldn't jump to Noel's rescue they would at least say something out of anger and/or fear of being hit themselves (by accident). So I'm sure if it all went down the way Noel describes it, Andy and Gem wouldn't just sit there.. It just makes no sense.
My guess is that Noel has a very different opinion on what Liam thinks of him or would do to him than the rest of the band, and even LG. Seriously, in interviews Liam has said the same things... And I'm paraphrasing here: He doesn't get on with his brother, but he still loves him. And stuff like "His record will be good, ours will be better" and that they'll make up some day... I think some of Noel's remarks on BE's music and the breakup today were a bit (I wouldn't call him a vagina, but let's say..) vaginaish. He could easily have said something more along the lines of what LG has... That is something that makes me think it's Noel who has the bigger problem with Liam, more than the other way around. He at least seems to have a deeper and more personal conflict with him. And felt it was necessary to openly tell everyone he's still friends with Gem and Chris, but not ("the other two") Andy.. And didn't say anything about Gem's reaction during the fight, but felt it necessary to play out what Andy did or didn't do.
But even tho I think Noel's remarks today were stupid, I'm sure LG was a tit to him most of the last tour... But with all we've heard from Gem, Chris and Andy - I actually don't think he was as temperamental and irresponsible as Noel makes him out to be.
Now I'm just gonna forget the whole Gallagher name, from now on they'll just be Noel and Liam... Untill they kiss and make up I don't wanna hear more about the fight or what they think about each other. It just feels sad.. Now Noel is Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds ( yeah... Just "Noel" it is)' and Liam and the boys will be BE. Never again will I post in a thread about the relationship between NG and the rest of old oasis... Instead I'm just looking forward to all the new music we'll have in the upcoming months! Seriously, I'm almost shitting me pants just thinking about it.
(sorry for all the spelling errors, my iPad has a big interest in fucking with me. Damn you Apple Microsoft. ...wait, what...?)
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Post by CFC2013 on Jul 6, 2011 21:26:01 GMT -5
Not sure what is the problem between Liam and Noel. Probably one of the most violent sibling rivalries I have heard of. I mean, I'm sure we all come to blows with our brothers, but we usually make up after a few days, right?
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 6, 2011 21:34:12 GMT -5
ok i feel like i have to post my thoughts on this too.
First of all, i understand that to a lot of non-hardcore Oasis fans, Andy was to put it in perspective, the "Ringo" of the band.
However, i thought the guy was a gifted songwriter and an ok bass player, however, i didn't know about his guitar playing skills or anything he had done prior to Oasis for that matter.
I personally believe some of his songs were right up there with the best of Oasis output in the last 8 years.
TYFTGT, KTDA, TUTS come to mind.
Then when you find out the caliber of songs he had been submitting for Oasis albums that were in essence turned down by Noel, it really makes you wonder.
Maybe Noel felt a bit threatened. at first that might sound a bit ridiculous but stay with me. Obviously he wouldn't be threatened in a sense where he thought Andy could take over his role but...
Andy would actually have some input, an actual voice in the band, he could have 4 songs in the album to Noel's 5 or 6. It would be a significant change/shift in how things were being ran. in other words he'd become a more important and prominent member of the band.
Noel's obviously a control freak, the whole thing about Liam having to pay him money for having PG advertised in the tour program is utter nonsense. It was Liam's band too. just ridiculous and petty stuff.
I think towards the end the rest of the band sided more with Liam than with Noel and tht was because Noel started acting like a grumpy old man. let's not forget by the end, Noel was flying solo, separate from the rest of the band and when he started talking about 5 year breaks... that really turned Andy and Gem off, not to mention Liam.
So.... was Andy wrong in not stepping in? i don't think he was right or wrong. Honestly i don't know what i would've done in that circumstance. Having said, Noel's slating of Andy was completely uncalled for imo.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 6, 2011 21:51:01 GMT -5
ok i feel like i have to post my thoughts on this too. First of all, i understand that to a lot of non-hardcore Oasis fans, Andy was to put it in perspective, the "Ringo" of the band. However, i thought the guy was a gifted songwriter and an ok bass player, however, i didn't know about his guitar playing skills or anything he had done prior to Oasis for that matter. I personally believe some of his songs were right up there with the best of Oasis output in the last 8 years. TYFTGT, KTDA, TUTS come to mind. Then when you find out the caliber of songs he had been submitting for Oasis albums that were in essence turned down by Noel, it really makes you wonder. Maybe Noel felt a bit threatened. at first that might sound a bit ridiculous but stay with me. Obviously he wouldn't be threatened in a sense where he thought Andy could take over his role but... Andy would actually have some input, an actual voice in the band, he could have 4 songs in the album to Noel's 5 or 6. It would be a significant change/shift in how things were being ran. in other words he'd become a more important and prominent member of the band. Noel's obviously a control freak, the whole thing about Liam having to pay him money for having PG advertised in the tour program is utter nonsense. It was Liam's band too. just ridiculous and petty stuff. I think towards the end the rest of the band sided more with Liam than with Noel and tht was because Noel started acting like a grumpy old man. let's not forget by the end, Noel was flying solo, separate from the rest of the band and when he started talking about 5 year breaks... that really turned Andy and Gem off, not to mention Liam. So.... was Andy wrong in not stepping in? i don't think he was right or wrong. Honestly i don't know what i would've done in that circumstance. Having said, Noel's slating of Andy was completely uncalled for imo. I dont say this often with people on here, in fact i have never said it. I agree 100% with you. Great post. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 21:53:00 GMT -5
I don't know why people are making this SO much about Andy. It was Liam and Noel in the end. With Noel being like that...I don't think it would have mattered who was in the room...but it did hurt things that Noel would have expected Andy to try to calm Liam from his irrational rage an Andy sat twiddling his thumbs.
Andy didn't do anything. He stands by that, Noel thinks he should have had a bigger role. They both have a point. Andy seemed boring before, he seems weak willed an spineless now. Everyone seems to agree he was closest to Liam. If YOUR best friend was in an irrational rage...wouldn't you try to calm him down?
I think more of you all are making the mistake of trying to make it about that one night though. I think that it was the accumulation of years of tension...which Andy says he never got involved in. Gem we know had a role as mediator. Chris was too new. Maybe Andy as Noel saw it, never tried to talk some sense into Liam or had an opinion on anything at all. Andy wasn't a studio musician he was a band member. He didn't have to take Noels side...but he should have had an opinion.
And why should Liam have been able to not pay for advertising? I still don't understand how people can think that. Taking promo dollars from Oasis and padding his private PG bottom line. That's wrong.
As for people saying Noel was a megalomaniac. I think you could tell the point at HC where Noel began to loosen the reins. Is there any evidence ANYONE started to step up? Only Gem as an assistant to Noel. Andy had done crap all other than submit 1-2 songs and be as boring as fuck on stage.
Anyways, I don't think that it was Noels intention to blame Andy to extent that you all seems to imply. But judging by his statement the next morning Andy's behavior was one of the reasons that Noel felt that Oasis was the place for him anymore.
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 6, 2011 22:00:53 GMT -5
Just two quick thoughts:
#1. Noel was being ridiculous in trying to charge Liam to advertise Pretty Green in their program. Oasis was a band that should've shared and encouraged each other. Shouldn't he have been encouraging Liam's personal growth in starting his own business? What's wrong with Liam trying to sell Pretty Green to Oasis fans? While pricey, Liam is hardly peddling snakeskin oil. The clothing is of a good material, standard mod fare and Liam is very enthusiastic about it. I only wish I'd saved all of that money from the bad Oasis shirts I bought over the years and put it towards some nicer Pretty Green clothing (on sale of course!). Pretty Green was a creative (and yes, financial) outlet for a member of Oasis. What's wrong with it being publicized? Didn't Oasisinet publicize Noel's earlier efforts/collaborations outside of Oasis (Chemical Bros, X-Files, Ian Brown, Paul Weller)? What's the difference?
#2. Really? How many of you two would get in the middle of two raging Gallaghers? You're going to blame Andy? You say he has no personality? Haven't you seen him DJ'ing? Isn't he the "student" of the bunch? Have you listened to what he wrote in Millionaire? Being soft spoken and reserved doesn't mean you lack personality; it means you're not a Gallagher.
It's not like there weren't other people in their entourage who could've stepped in between the Liam and Noel. A touring band isn't just the 5 people on stage every night. It's the roadies (Jason, you might recall had been with the band since about 1993 and is far larger than any member of Oasis), the sound crew, the "minders", the tour manager (sadly, no longer Maggie which may've been part of the problem), the lighting guys, etc. There were probably about 15 other people in this entourage that should've seen this coming and could have intervened.
And finally, as has been pointed out, immediately after the argument the rest of the band went and decided to stick with Liam. If Liam was as drunk as Noel seems to have implied at his press conference, would that really have been the case? Who in their right mind would join a drunk Liam Gallagher for MORE drinks and then agree to continue in a band with him while Noel, one of the most successful songwriters in British history, goes off in a car on his own? As has been said the truth lies somewhere in between. Anyone taking either story as the only truth is being naive.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:07:25 GMT -5
From all accounts Liam is mostly just a dick to spite Noel. He's fine with everyone else. he smashed Noel's guitar after Noel left, by the sound of it. Then everyone probably calmed him down and without Noel there maybe Liam turned into a normal adult again
And your point #1. He could have had his ad space...if he paid. It's a capitalistic venture with a profit margin for Liam. What he wanted to do was steal advertising space so Oasis didn't get paid for it so he could put in an ad and get paid on his own. He would have made more than enough from that ad to pay the costs and then some.
Don't forget Oasis wasn't just a band....it was also a business trying to ensure it stayed profitable as Big Brother embarked out on it's own. And it was a business benefitting all 4 members plus the office staff. PG didn't benefit anyone in the Oasis organization save Liam.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 6, 2011 22:08:01 GMT -5
lol @ gdforever. We know and understand you're a Noel apologist and a fanboy(girl?). But try to have a bit of perspective for christ sake.
it was Liam's band, he could advertise whatever the fuck he wanted as long as it didn't hurt anyone(band members in particular).
Andy was boring on stage? i wasn't aware Oasis was known for acting like Kiss or ACDC on stage. fucking nonsense.
keep trying to belittle anything Andy contributed to the band and overstating everything Noel did during the last 8 years or so.
I am sure you think Falling Down is a fucking classic and Lyla is DLBIA part 2. lmao
ugh... fucking fanboys.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:09:38 GMT -5
it was Liam's band, he could advertise whatever the fuck he wanted as long as it didn't hurt anyone(band members in particular). It was hurting someone. Noel. And Big Brothers bottom line. They were both businesses and it is fair to charge between businesses for services rendered |
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 6, 2011 22:13:53 GMT -5
And your point #1. He could have had his ad space...if he paid. It's a capitalistic venture with a profit margin for Liam. What he wanted to do was steal advertising space so Oasis didn't get paid for it so he could put in an ad and get paid on his own. He would have made more than enough from that ad to pay the costs and then some. I didn't realize that Oasis Music Inc. was having so much trouble being profitable that the 4"x6" ad in a program for Liam's clothing line would've meant they had to lay off staff from the record label. There were absolutely no money concerns with how they were setup - that was Noel being a shmuck. |
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Post by jilliam on Jul 6, 2011 22:16:35 GMT -5
Andy's a quiet guy who comes across as very reasonable, and perhaps he thought it was wise to not get involved. I don't blame him at all - it's not his problem, it's strictly Noel and Liam's. It's a shame many folk here are slating him - what about every other person who was in the room eh? I mean, god knows whether Liam nearly did hit Noel with a guitar - how do we know there wasn't an exaggeration from Noel? Who knows whether it was Liam's intention to hit someone, I don't think so. Seriously, we have no right to judge Andy's personality on a row between brothers who we have no connection with whatsoever while all we're doing is basing our opinions on probably questionable and exaggerated soundbites from both brothers. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you! true that. I must say that Andy has been my least fave out of all of them. however, the guy can fuckin play guitar far better than Noel. Andy is incredibly talented and Noel knows that. There is a certain saying that goes like this; "Jealousy makes a bitch talk shit" and Noely was talking some shit today with those digs at Andy. Since the bust-up, Andy has not said ONE bad word publicly about Noel. I lost a bit of respect for Noel for slaggin Andy off. I really dont see how Noel could be upset at Andy for not jumping in and breaking up the fight. How many fuckin years havent Liam and Noel been in massive fist fights? If Im not mistaken, in those brawls, nonone of the past Oasis members jumped in to break them up. And Noel never said anything bad about them. I wonder why he would say something bad about Andy? hmmm. whatev's, ppl here will blindly defend Noel and Liam regardless of what they. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 6, 2011 22:18:27 GMT -5
Noel is/was just jealous of pretty green by the sound of it. He wishes he had thought of it. Liam's main target audience is Oasis fans hence he will want to advertise to them.
It's not like as they came back out for the encore the PA announced "this encore is sponsored by pretty green". It was in a fucking programme! I would expect it there tbh!
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:21:41 GMT -5
And your point #1. He could have had his ad space...if he paid. It's a capitalistic venture with a profit margin for Liam. What he wanted to do was steal advertising space so Oasis didn't get paid for it so he could put in an ad and get paid on his own. He would have made more than enough from that ad to pay the costs and then some. I didn't realize that Oasis Music Inc. was having so much trouble being profitable that the 4"x6" ad in a program for Liam's clothing line would've meant they had to lay off staff from the record label. There were absolutely no money concerns with how they were setup - that was Noel being a shmuck. Liam would ahve made a big profit. Why should Oasis have had to suck up the loss. Liam's business had capital and I'll bet he makes quite a bit of money from it. Liam wanted to have his cake and eat it to. Noel wanted to keep things seperate. Fair enough on Noels part. It's wouldn't have beggared PG either |
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 6, 2011 22:24:31 GMT -5
Noel is/was just jealous of pretty green by the sound of it. He wishes he had thought of it. Liam's main target audience is Oasis fans hence he will want to advertise to them. It's not like as they came back out for the encore the PA announced "this encore is sponsored by pretty green". It was in a fucking programme! I would expect it there tbh! Hah! TBH, I think that Noel felt left out of PG, particularly when Steve "I threaten people" Allen became Liam's partner. I'd have loved to have seen the entire band get involved in Pretty Green. It seems like Andy and Gem have to an extent as is. I think Noel just felt left out of the whole situation and had some sour grapes. Do you think that Noel would've had a problem advertising it or selling it at concerts if he was involved? I don't. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:25:09 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you! true that. I must say that Andy has been my least fave out of all of them. however, the guy can fuckin play guitar far better than Noel. Andy is incredibly talented and Noel knows that. There is a certain saying that goes like this; "Jealousy makes a bitch talk shit" and Noely was talking some shit today with those digs at Andy. Since the bust-up, Andy has not said ONE bad word publicly about Noel. I lost a bit of respect for Noel for slaggin Andy off. I really dont see how Noel could be upset at Andy for not jumping in and breaking up the fight. How many fuckin years havent Liam and Noel been in massive fist fights? If Im not mistaken, in those brawls, nonone of the past Oasis members jumped in to break them up. And Noel never said anything bad about them. I wonder why he would say something bad about Andy? hmmm. whatev's, ppl here will blindly defend Noel and Liam regardless of what they. He didn't slag off Andy. All he said was that he didn't understand how Andy could just sit there looking at his shoes when there was an arguement going on that involved to band. What's wrong with that? That is a legitimate POV. You don't have to agree with it. but it isn't an outlandish thing for someone to think |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:27:09 GMT -5
Noel is/was just jealous of pretty green by the sound of it. He wishes he had thought of it. Liam's main target audience is Oasis fans hence he will want to advertise to them. It's not like as they came back out for the encore the PA announced "this encore is sponsored by pretty green". It was in a fucking programme! I would expect it there tbh! Hah! TBH, I think that Noel felt left out of PG, particularly when Steve "I threaten people" Allen became Liam's partner. I'd have loved to have seen the entire band get involved in Pretty Green. It seems like Andy and Gem have to an extent as is. I think Noel just felt left out of the whole situation and had some sour grapes. Do you think that Noel would've had a problem advertising it or selling it at concerts if he was involved? I don't. I don't think Noel wanted to be involved. I think Noel wanted it kept separate from his business...which was music |
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 6, 2011 22:28:06 GMT -5
I didn't realize that Oasis Music Inc. was having so much trouble being profitable that the 4"x6" ad in a program for Liam's clothing line would've meant they had to lay off staff from the record label. There were absolutely no money concerns with how they were setup - that was Noel being a shmuck. Liam would ahve made a big profit. Why should Oasis have had to suck up the loss. Liam's business had capital and I'll bet he makes quite a bit of money from it. Liam wanted to have his cake and eat it to. Noel wanted to keep things seperate. Fair enough on Noels part. It's wouldn't have beggared PG either Liam would've made a big profit? Oasis would've had to "suck up the loss"? How much do you think advertising space costs in a tour program for a rock band? I'm sure the ad space might've paid for about 3 or 4 lunches. This wasn't about the money - it was about principle. Didn't you hear how glib Noel was being about "carrying on with bigger tours to make MORE money"? They made more profit per night than most of us will probably make in 5 years work. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:29:43 GMT -5
Liam would ahve made a big profit. Why should Oasis have had to suck up the loss. Liam's business had capital and I'll bet he makes quite a bit of money from it. Liam wanted to have his cake and eat it to. Noel wanted to keep things seperate. Fair enough on Noels part. It's wouldn't have beggared PG either Liam would've made a big profit? Oasis would've had to "suck up the loss"? How much do you think advertising space costs in a tour program for a rock band? I'm sure the ad space might've paid for about 3 or 4 lunches. This wasn't about the money - it was about principle. Didn't you hear how glib Noel was being about "carrying on with bigger tours to make MORE money"? They made more profit per night than most of us will probably make in 5 years work. It was enough that Liam baulked at paying the money...so it was probably enough for Noel not to want to give it up free and clear so his brother could make money @ Oasis' expense |
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 6, 2011 22:32:37 GMT -5
There was no set amount. Noel asked Liam how much he wanted to pay for the ad space and Liam took offense. The offense was not about an amount since none was set. The offense to Liam was that his brother wanted to charge him to advertise for his clothing line in THEIR band's tour program. You'll excuse me now but I think I've started to dent the brick wall with my forehead.
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Post by mrsupernova on Jul 6, 2011 22:35:46 GMT -5
Liam would've made a big profit? Oasis would've had to "suck up the loss"? How much do you think advertising space costs in a tour program for a rock band? I'm sure the ad space might've paid for about 3 or 4 lunches. This wasn't about the money - it was about principle. Didn't you hear how glib Noel was being about "carrying on with bigger tours to make MORE money"? They made more profit per night than most of us will probably make in 5 years work. It was enough that Liam baulked at paying the money...so it was probably enough for Noel not to want to give it up free and clear so his brother could make money @ Oasis' expense When has Liam ever been about the money? He tells you to buy his records if you like them or not buy them if you don't. He makes it clear that the music is for himself. His clothes are for himself and based on what he likes. Recently, it seems he has done some great charity work between PG Japan relief and TCT while organizing gigs for them. It's about principal. Noel wanted complete control over what happened in the band including what went in the program, what went on the albums, and what the cover art was. I'm guessing it essentially became too much for Liam, always having to feel like he was in Noel's shadow and not gaining his respect (Liam is the one saying they are brothers and love each other and writing songs like "Guess God Thinks I'm Abel" and "The Morning Son" while Noel stays mum), and the band mates got fed up with being in their 30's/40's and taking commands from Noel without creative input. It might have worked when they were young but I bet it grew old for everyone. It really is a shame we never got to see what could have happened if Gem and Andy were allowed their songs to get a fair roll of the dice with Noel being fully supportive. "The Beat Goes On" and "The Roller" could have been legendary with some Noel support. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 6, 2011 22:40:36 GMT -5
In which case Noel was right to leave. Why would anyone be upset by that then?
This way Liam can flog his PG gear @ gigs, dress G+A up like manequins...
I just hope that Liam gives them some of the proceeds for their support. Somehow I think that all of BDI are profitting for the PG sales at concerts...somehow I doubt that Oasis would have been profitting @ Oasis gigs.
Liam wanted to start a solo venture but then wanted his venture with Noel to help out of the goodness of it's heart.
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Post by mrsupernova on Jul 6, 2011 22:45:29 GMT -5
In which case Noel was right to leave. Why would anyone be upset by that then? This way Liam can flog his PG gear @ gigs, dress G+A up like manequins... I just hope that Liam gives them some of the proceeds for their support. Somehow I think that all of BDI are profitting for the PG sales at concerts...somehow I doubt that Oasis would have been profitting @ Oasis gigs. Liam wanted to start a solo venture but then wanted his venture with Noel to help out of the goodness of it's heart. If my friend started a clothing label, I would actually go buy his stuff and wear it to support him and his venture, wanting him to succeed. If it were my brother doing it I would buy up the entire wardrobe with my own money to support him....Noel couldn't even give Liam advertising space. |
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 6, 2011 22:45:52 GMT -5
This way Liam can flog his PG gear @ gigs, dress G+A up like manequins... Do you think that Gem and Andy are mindless individuals that wait for Liam to dress them? Maybe they just enjoy getting free clothing from their friend that they would wear anyway because they like it? I just hope that Liam gives them some of the proceeds for their support. Somehow I think that all of BDI are profitting for the PG sales at concerts...somehow I doubt that Oasis would have been profitting @ Oasis gigs. Didn't see any PG for sale at the NY show...Has it been at other shows? Please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Post by mkoasis on Jul 6, 2011 22:53:05 GMT -5
It really is a shame we never got to see what could have happened if Gem and Andy were allowed their songs to get a fair roll of the dice with Noel being fully supportive. "The Beat Goes On" and "The Roller" could have been legendary with some Noel support. Absolutely. I wonder what a lot of the DGSS songs would have turned out like if Noel had been involved. Especially that new bside, In a Bubble with a Bullet...has a lot of potential and a great sound but I think they kind of didnt knwo what to do with it, so they just finished it off quick. It coudl have been so much more, same with KFAD. |
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