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Post by RocketMan on Jan 9, 2012 17:56:22 GMT -5
one of liams bests and better than anything on DGSS. i can hear noels influence on it which is kind of the problem of DGSS. noels influence is missing. he has got the skills to make a song better. what influence do you think noel had on this track? specifically what part of the song sounds like it was influenced by noel? how can i explain it to you? well when i listen to a beady eye song, it gives me the feeling that there is a band trying to make a song sounding like another song by any of their favourite bands. if you listen to wigwam there is a clear bridge and verse missing in my opinion. and the ending sounds a bit arbitrary just like they were trying to have a song ending like this. when i listenend to wigwam for the first time, i thought the ending was great but a bit random. but on the other hand BWTB has all the typical noel things. a clear verse, a bridge and an ending which makes sense after all. it fits perfectly. you can compare both endings because both are repetitive. but BWTB is more touching and hunting and it is more natural to me while wigwam sounds like someone tried to push this into this "hey jude"-ending thing. noels song are mostly perfect written songs while beady eyes are missing the natural songwriting skills. listen to the songbird demo and then to the album version. you can clearly see which one is with and which one without noel. i hope you understand what i mean ;D |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 9, 2012 18:39:36 GMT -5
^^I think what you are trying to say is that Noel knows how to construct and shape a song, how to take elements to form a unit.
Liam wrote great tunes on Oasis, but it arrangements was all Noel's ideas.
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Post by thomas09 on Jan 10, 2012 7:09:09 GMT -5
to be honest, both bwtb and wigwam become repetitieve towards the end. still think they're good songs though. how can i explain it to you? well when i listen to a beady eye song, it gives me the feeling that there is a band trying to make a song sounding like another song by any of their favourite bands. if you listen to wigwam there is a clear bridge and verse missing in my opinion. in my opinion it's too long as it is, nevermind adding another verse and bridge. as it is, i can barely listen to the whole song start to finish. add another verse/bridge and you've got another all around the world. but on the other hand BWTB has all the typical noel things. a clear verse, a bridge and an ending which makes sense after all. it fits perfectly. but liam wrote the song? he wrote that verse, bridge and ending all by himself. and it's pretty common knowledge that when it comes to structuring a song, gem plays a big hand. never heard of noel doing it. also, gem andy and liam demoed all their songs without noel. you can compare both endings because both are repetitive. but BWTB is more touching and hunting and it is more natural to me while wigwam sounds like someone tried to push this into this "hey jude"-ending thing. noels song are mostly perfect written songs while beady eyes are missing the natural songwriting skills. listen to the songbird demo and then to the album version. you can clearly see which one is with and which one without noel. i hope you understand what i mean ;D both endings are repetitive, but BWTB is definitely more repetitive. It doesn't change once, becomes boring after the forth "come all together". At least the ending of wigwam has many changes in it. It's still repetitive but nowhere near as repetitive as bwtb. and i really dont think the members of beady eye are missing the "natural songwriting skills", after all weren't gem and andy songwriters in 2 pretty successful bands before oasis? i get what you're trying to say, just sounds as if you think noel writes the better songs, which i dont mind thats your opinion. but then you insinuate liams songs were ok when noel was involved, but without noel he cannot write/structure a decent song, which is definitely not the case at all. oh and while we're on the topic of repetitive endings, "shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me, shout it out for me" ;D |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 10, 2012 11:54:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that Noel was a force in determining arrangement and instrumentation on the whole album. Probably more on Liam's songs than Andy or Gems. I don't think he worked with Liam...but we know he worked on Liam's songs. He probably worked @ it with Gem.
Look at Songbird. I think everyone agrees that the approach for that was decided by Noel.
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 10, 2012 13:04:02 GMT -5
but liam wrote the song? he wrote that verse, bridge and ending all by himself. and it's pretty common knowledge that when it comes to structuring a song, gem plays a big hand. never heard of noel doing it. also, gem andy and liam demoed all their songs without noel. he wrote it, yeah. but i'm pretty sure that this song wouldn't be the same if beady eye would had done it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 14:11:00 GMT -5
Definately one of Liam's best as a songwriter, would have made DOYS stronger.
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Post by Underneath the sky on Jan 11, 2012 12:44:08 GMT -5
I think the verses are some of Liam's best work. Problem with it is that the chorus is average and the outro is way too long. With a bit of work it would have been a great addition to DGSS.
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Post by heltahskeltah85 on Jan 16, 2012 0:23:15 GMT -5
The Moorish Mix is brilliant! Great Idea to change that. Killer Song now.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 16, 2012 10:57:29 GMT -5
Don't really like the Moorish mix because for me the 'remember to shine' etc bit is the best element of the song.
Don't like the 'Come together' bit at all. Just overblown and doesn't really fit in with the rest of the song, which I do like but reckon it has the feel of a B-side more than album material.
Having said that, it's better than stuff like The Nature of Reality which is down there with the worst stuff Oasis recorded in my very humble opinion.
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Post by martinpaul on Jan 16, 2012 11:08:53 GMT -5
Pretty sure Noel did loads of interviews arounf DOYS where he says that he hardly gets involved with Liam's songs as it almost always ends up in a fight or arguement and that Liam does all his writing on his own then gets help from Gem when he wants/needs it.
There is also a shedload of interviews with Noel saying he wouldn't let any of the others submit a song for an Oasis album unless it was (near as) finished, he wanted the others to write their own songs, lyrics, arrangements not just have an idea and rely on Noel to finish it off for them.
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Post by drteter on Jan 16, 2012 16:59:19 GMT -5
I really like the Moorish Mix...way better than the original. I would guess that this song wasn't on the album because it feels kind of similar pace-wise to IOT. And I'm sure Noel took much less time agonizing over which LAG songs to put on the second half of the album than he did on which of his songs he wanted to use. He probably just told each of them to come up with their best two and stuck on whichever ones he thought flowed best.
For all the talk about being a perfectionist when it came to his music, Noel really seems to have taken DOYS as a compilation album between himself and LAG rather than an Oasis album. Quite strange, really.
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Post by noasabian on Jan 16, 2012 17:30:03 GMT -5
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 17, 2012 8:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 15:14:47 GMT -5
It is a great song but I don't think is better than the whole of DGSS, four letter word and maybe the roller and morning son is better than this
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