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Post by KeepOnNoeling on Feb 8, 2011 10:34:31 GMT -5
Noel isn't going to do what Beady Eye did : record quickly bad songs and say they are great. He's really waited at the turn (some of us expect what could be his masterpiece) and he knows it. If he gives himself a little bit more time to make it, for me it's not a problem. I think that's a fair point. People are really expecting some kind if masterpiece from Noel featuring all these songs he's held back from Oasis over the years. Maybe he's taking his time over it to make sure it doesn't disappoint. Or maybe we expect too much.
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Post by johnnyb on Feb 8, 2011 10:35:47 GMT -5
The reason i have posted on this topic is the contradicting news that we have recieved, as stated before - i have been loving all the bits of news from Noels direction whether it be Weller saying the album is done, Miles Kane announcing hes gonna play guitar for him, AA, the sand band etc....to then read what he said on talksport was a bit of a shock and a let down fro getting myself patiently excited.
But as GDForever stated, it could be just him covering up any wasted hype (hopefully), but im on both sides really in that i would rather wait a bit longer if it means putting out a better album, it would just be nice to know what is actually happening.
With regards to him being lazy, well he is by his own admission on countless occasions
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Post by paranoidandroid on Feb 8, 2011 10:53:15 GMT -5
I see it this way....Beady eye are now filling the void left when Oasis broke up. Whether you are team Noel or Team Liam or whether Beady Eye are similar to Oasis, whatever, Oasis fans are now having their thirsts quenched by Beady Eye releasing material. For Noel to start saying 'my album will be out in the summer' etc would be somewhat over-shadowed by the impending Beady Eye releases. I want a Noel solo album more than anyone and the chances are its probably 75% done but right now isn't the best time to give too much away.
I predict that by August we'll have a lot more news to sink our teeth into and by this time next year we'll have heard some new Noel stuff.
I think Noel is playing it down at the mo by saying he isnt working on the album. Maybe it is done and just literally needs tweaking and it can then be promoted.
Time will tell.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 8, 2011 10:56:01 GMT -5
Noel isn't going to do what Beady Eye did : record quickly bad songs and say they are great. He's really waited at the turn (some of us expect what could be his masterpiece) and he knows it. If he gives himself a little bit more time to make it, for me it's not a problem. Yawn... Building yourself up for a fall there mate.
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Post by johnnyb on Feb 8, 2011 11:06:59 GMT -5
I see it this way....Beady eye are now filling the void left when Oasis broke up. Whether you are team Noel or Team Liam or whether Beady Eye are similar to Oasis, whatever, Oasis fans are now having their thirsts quenched by Beady Eye releasing material. For Noel to start saying 'my album will be out in the summer' etc would be somewhat over-shadowed by the impending Beady Eye releases. I want a Noel solo album more than anyone and the chances are its probably 75% done but right now isn't the best time to give too much away. I predict that by August we'll have a lot more news to sink our teeth into and by this time next year we'll have heard some new Noel stuff. I think Noel is playing it down at the mo by saying he isnt working on the album. Maybe it is done and just literally needs tweaking and it can then be promoted. Time will tell. I would take that easily if true, its the not knowing i guess, but as you say im looking forward to DGSS, but have a feeling will be bored of it and waiting for Noel news by april/may Hope im wrong
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Post by oneeye on Feb 8, 2011 11:09:38 GMT -5
Noel is just one lazy bastard!!!! If he's not careful, he's going to bring his album out too late and people won't be bothered about his new songs! Calling him lazy because he hasn't released music yet is just being short sighted. How long you wait has nothing to do with the general public's interest level. You can wait 10 years if you want too. The key is to just promote. You promote something well enough, then it doesnt matter how long you've been out of the spotlight. Secondly, I dont give a damn if people are bothered with his new songs. If you're not when it comes out, the fair play for you. All I care about is that I get music from Noel. I dont give a damn if people aren't hyped up for it. To just call him lazy is getting to be real old. If it takes him a long time to make an album, so be it. As a matter of fact, I wish BDI had taken as much time as Noel is taking with his. I think their biggest problem has been dodgy songwriting, and I think a couple more months of writing would've done them a lot good. It takes a good while to make a good album (when one factors in producing and actually writing the material). I said it with BDI and I'll say it again, you just dont get up one day and say, 'let's make an album. Oh, look we have these songs laying around. They'll do." no it's called being an expeprienced music fan. Have seen it before where bands have taken too long off and returned when the fans had moved on. If Noel REALLY loved music soo much, then he'd be excited about getting in the studio - but he's not!!!! It's Noel who's always banged on about how many great songs he's got - WHERE ARE THEY?? Stop The Clocks? Yeh right - we never got that one.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2011 11:15:30 GMT -5
^^I dont think love of music means that you just get back into the studio as quickly as possible in order to appease an audiensce. And me personally I have a problem when fans question an artist's love for music. Its wrong when people do it to Liam, and now its wrong that you do with Noel. None of us are in a position to even assert the position, that Noel doesn't love "the music".
For me, if Noel feels that he needs 5 years to raise his kid, then go ahead and do it. Because in the end, its the right thing to do. May not be the popular view from a fan perspective, but it is the right thing to do. And I'm not going to slag him off for not getting music out quicker, if that's what he wants to do.
Its amazing how BDI shouldnt care what fans think and they should do what makes them happy, but Noel has to appease his fans. Its getting really stupid.
And fans move on no matter what. Fans grow up, move on, find other interests. That happens whether you release music or not.
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Post by oneeye on Feb 8, 2011 11:30:40 GMT -5
^^I dont think love of music means that you just get back into the studio as quickly as possible in order to appease an audiensce. And me personally I have a problem when fans question an artist's love for music. Its wrong when people do it to Liam, and now its wrong that you do with Noel. None of us are in a position to even assert the position, that Noel doesn't love "the music". For me, if Noel feels that he needs 5 years to raise his kid, then go ahead and do it. Because in the end, its the right thing to do. May not be the popular view from a fan perspective, but it is the right thing to do. And I'm not going to slag him off for not getting music out quicker, if that's what he wants to do. Its amazing how BDI shouldnt care what fans think and they should do what makes them happy, but Noel has to appease his fans. Its getting really stupid. And fans move on no matter what. Fans grow up, move on, find other interests. That happens whether you release music or not. not a question of recording an album to appease the fans, it's about doing what you love doing. I think in recent years Noel seems to have become a bit like a robot in his approach. Yes he shouldn't go and record an album just to please people - but I'm sure if he really wanted to then he would be recording or at least doing the occasional gig. On the DOYS tour when Noel was interviewed and said he wanted 5 years off. Us fans were thinking WTF - 5 years is a long time.
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Post by mezmerised on Feb 8, 2011 11:35:28 GMT -5
The fans moving on is more of a problem with young bands who for whatever reason take too much time between their debut and the follow up, especially if the follow up is not as good as the first - see what happened to the Stone Roses, Elastica, etc. But I don't think it's going to be a problem for Noel now after almost 20 years as a songwriter/in the public eye. Why would people who liked his songs for all these years decide not to bother anymore only because he takes a 3 year break before getting out his solo album?
I think he's taking his time with the release because he wants to get a solo debut as perfect as possible and I also agree with everybody who already said that he wants to avoid any kind of clash with Beady Eye.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 8, 2011 11:40:32 GMT -5
Where is everyones acknowledgment of Noel's child? I know that we are all a bit over it and, the longer it takes, the less significant that it seems to us...but his kid it only just 4 months old right? And even though we are a bit bored of the idea already I think that Noel is probably not yet...
I've not had a child, yet, so maybe some can tell me if I am out to lunch...but a new baby seems to be a fairly significant and time-consuming event to happen in someones life. From what I have been given to understand the first months with a baby can be quite taxing?
He just had Sonny. Even if he brings out his album in October his baby will have just turned 1 year old. To expect him to start jetting around to do worldwide promo and touring right now is a bit much for us to demand...isn't it?
To those that say that he isn't passionate about music because he isn't releasing something for the fans is absolute crap. From what I understand musicians can enjoy creating music without a million people listening to them. He obviously is doing something with music right now to satiate his need for that expression...unfortunately he just hasn't chosen to let the world hear it. He has the luxury of not needing to rush and is taking advantage of that to be there for his significant other during a very mundane but busy time in their lives. I don't think he should be crucified for that.
Noel is living quite a different life than Liam as he has 2 children under school-age. I doubt he has as much time as any of the members of BDI.
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Post by mezmerised on Feb 8, 2011 11:43:53 GMT -5
not a question of recording an album to appease the fans, it's about doing what you love doing. I think in recent years Noel seems to have become a bit like a robot in his approach. Yes he shouldn't go and record an album just to please people - but I'm sure if he really wanted to then he would be recording or at least doing the occasional gig. On the DOYS tour when Noel was interviewed and said he wanted 5 years off. Us fans were thinking WTF - 5 years is a long time. He didn't say he wanted 5 years off, he said he wanted 5 years of from Oasis so he (or everybody) could do his/their solo stuff in between. I agree that Noel had a change of attitude between the 90s and now. In the 90s he totally lived for Oasis and the music, now he has a family to take care of and still loves music. Also in the 90s Noel was really driven to succeed, now he's more chilled out. And I don't think any of that is a bad thing. Also I think it's great that Noel's solo album and Beady Eye's album will not be released and talked about at around the same time.
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Post by discworld on Feb 8, 2011 11:46:28 GMT -5
Where is everyones acknowledgment of Noel's child? I know that we are all a bit over it and, the longer it takes, the less significant that it seems to us...but his kid it only just 4 months old right? And even though we are a bit bored of the idea already I think that Noel is probably not yet... I've not had a child, yet, so maybe some can tell me if I am out to lunch...but a new baby seems to be a fairly significant and time-consuming event to happen in someones life. From what I have been given to understand the first months with a baby can be quite taxing? He just had Sonny. Even if he brings out his album in October his baby will have just turned 1 year old. To expect him to start jetting around to do worldwide promo and touring right now is a bit much for us to demand...isn't it? To those that say that he isn't passionate about music because he isn't releasing something for the fans is absolute crap. From what I understand musicians can enjoy creating music without a million people listening to them. He obviously is doing something with music right now to satiate his need for that expression...unfortunately he just hasn't chosen to let the world hear it. He has the luxury of not needing to rush and is taking advantage of that to be there for his significant other during a very mundane but busy time in their lives. I don't think he should be crucified for that. Noel is living quite a different life than Liam as he has 2 children under school-age. I doubt he has as much time as any of the members of BDI. and he previously declared he was worried that he could be a bad father.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 8, 2011 12:02:12 GMT -5
^^I dont think love of music means that you just get back into the studio as quickly as possible in order to appease an audiensce. And me personally I have a problem when fans question an artist's love for music. Its wrong when people do it to Liam, and now its wrong that you do with Noel. None of us are in a position to even assert the position, that Noel doesn't love "the music". For me, if Noel feels that he needs 5 years to raise his kid, then go ahead and do it. Because in the end, its the right thing to do. May not be the popular view from a fan perspective, but it is the right thing to do. And I'm not going to slag him off for not getting music out quicker, if that's what he wants to do. Its amazing how BDI shouldnt care what fans think and they should do what makes them happy, but Noel has to appease his fans. Its getting really stupid. And fans move on no matter what. Fans grow up, move on, find other interests. That happens whether you release music or not. not a question of recording an album to appease the fans, it's about doing what you love doing. I think in recent years Noel seems to have become a bit like a robot in his approach. Yes he shouldn't go and record an album just to please people - but I'm sure if he really wanted to then he would be recording or at least doing the occasional gig. On the DOYS tour when Noel was interviewed and said he wanted 5 years off. Us fans were thinking WTF - 5 years is a long time. 1. I think, from the news from The Sand Band, Miles Kane, AA, we can assume he HAS done some recording. He is probably just not going to admit it for the first time on sport radio. 2. I don't think Noel was bored with music during the making of DOYS. He seemed really into it. I think his output, excepting HHL, was great and all of his songs were written close to the time of recording and they had some interesting sounds on them that Oasis hadn't used before. Noel seemed to be stretching himself for the first time since SOTSOG. And I think that was a good sign. 3. From what I understand the 5 years before the next Oasis album wasn't intended to be a 5 year break from music...but a 5 year break from Oasis. There was intended to be a solo album between DOYS and the next Oasis album.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Feb 8, 2011 17:26:39 GMT -5
I think he's laying when he says he hasn't done anything yet because many people has said he have, but I alsoo agree that he's a lazy bastard!
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 8, 2011 22:07:35 GMT -5
Yeah, he is lazy, but he is also waiting to pass all this Beady Eye hype to talk about his solo album.
Maybe by the end of this year he will finally open his mouth.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 8, 2011 23:11:01 GMT -5
Noel is just one lazy bastard!!!! If he's not careful, he's going to bring his album out too late and people won't be bothered about his new songs! How long you wait has nothing to do with the general public's interest level. You can wait 10 years if you want too. The key is to just promote. You promote something well enough, then it doesnt matter how long you've been out of the spotlight. now you're just being naive. sure, you can wait as long as you want and ppl will still want your work and love you no matter what. tell that to Guns N Roses lol Chinese Democracy was so hyped and promoted/advertised like crazy. Even MTV(yes, the same network that has nothing to do with musica now) dedicated hours upon hours to the band and the release of the album, having specials, documentaries, i think i even saw an updated "Behind the music" episode of the GnRs lol And that band had a true insane following. We all know how that all turned out. nobody bought that record lol
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2011 23:18:47 GMT -5
How long you wait has nothing to do with the general public's interest level. You can wait 10 years if you want too. The key is to just promote. You promote something well enough, then it doesnt matter how long you've been out of the spotlight. now you're just being naive. sure, you can wait as long as you want and ppl will still want your work and love you no matter what. tell that to Guns N Roses lol Chinese Democracy was so hyped and promoted/advertised like crazy. Even MTV(yes, the same network that has nothing to do with musica now) dedicated hours upon hours to the band and the release of the album, having specials, documentaries, i think i even saw an updated "Behind the music" episode of the GnRs lol And that band had a true insane following. We all know how that all turned out. nobody bought that record lol That was a 15 year break in between albums. And Chinese Democracy was a pretty bad album. Hardly the same thing. With Noel we're talking about a matter of maybe 1 extra year.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 8, 2011 23:44:12 GMT -5
now you're just being naive. sure, you can wait as long as you want and ppl will still want your work and love you no matter what. tell that to Guns N Roses lol Chinese Democracy was so hyped and promoted/advertised like crazy. Even MTV(yes, the same network that has nothing to do with musica now) dedicated hours upon hours to the band and the release of the album, having specials, documentaries, i think i even saw an updated "Behind the music" episode of the GnRs lol And that band had a true insane following. We all know how that all turned out. nobody bought that record lol That was a 15 year break in between albums. And Chinese Democracy was a pretty bad album. Hardly the same thing. With Noel we're talking about a matter of maybe 1 extra year. I was just about to write exactly this. And it had been 17 years since the last time GnR released original material. If Noel doesn't have at least one album out by 2025...then I will be the first person to say that the man has missed his moment. However if promo for it starts within the next year and a bit...I don't think he really needs to be overly concerned. Comparing ANYONE to what GnR has become is absurd...particularly after just a year and a half of silence.
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Post by Corky Ianucci on Feb 9, 2011 6:00:21 GMT -5
Noel isn't gonna release anything until Beady Eye have finished their promotion. it'd be stupid if he did, just from a business standpoint alone.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 9, 2011 8:43:02 GMT -5
Yeah, he is lazy, but he is also waiting to pass all this Beady Eye hype to talk about his solo album. Why should he? All the BDI hype is the perfect setting for his own album. Liam's already in the news on a daily basis now, why shouldn't Noel join him? The media would probably hype it even more. Would get both of them more attention than they get on their own.
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Post by songbirdsally on Feb 9, 2011 8:55:42 GMT -5
Yeah, he is lazy, but he is also waiting to pass all this Beady Eye hype to talk about his solo album. Why should he? All the BDI hype is the perfect setting for his own album. Liam's already in the news on a daily basis now, why shouldn't Noel join him? The media would probably hype it even more. Would get both of them more attention than they get on their own. I don't think it would be good if he came out with news about his solo album right now. Media would hype 'the feud' between the brothers, and not the music. The music would get lost in it. And also, I would find it very rude of Noel to draw to attention to him & his solo plans, when his brother's/mates' band is in the process of releasing their album.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 9:04:52 GMT -5
Since when has Noel worried about being rude to Liam?
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Post by Rita on Feb 9, 2011 9:18:29 GMT -5
I can't believe those idiots didn't ask about Beady Eye. Or maybe he had set restrictions?
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Post by songbirdsally on Feb 9, 2011 9:45:31 GMT -5
Since when has Noel worried about being rude to Liam? Fact. But he should! C'mon they're brothers. And if it wasn't for Liam, Gem is one of his best mates, isn't it?
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 14:16:52 GMT -5
I can't believe those idiots didn't ask about Beady Eye. Or maybe he had set restrictions? I think so. The presenter seemed quite nervous even asking about the solo album. I'll bet that in 3-4 months when Noel comes out starting to hype his release and the TalkSport guys says "you said you hadn't recorded anything" he'll say something like "I said that you could ask...I did t say I'd answer truthfully" or something. Noel has no compunction about lying in the press when it suits him.
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