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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Oct 29, 2010 13:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by gdforever on Oct 30, 2010 1:05:03 GMT -5
Hey BigUn. I bought the book...I can slate it if I want to. I lined Tony's pockets and gave it a chance. I'm not slating Tony without giving it a chance like some others.
I am genuinely disappointed that the gang mentality that they portrayed in the past seems to have been as much an illusion as anything from what I read in the book.
The fact that there were so many cracks so early disappoints me. There seem to have been few genuinely strong friendships in the band. A pity really.
The fact is that if all u have to say is that the book is awesome and Noel is a twat...yeah we get it. But frankly I don't care. You are hardly impartial. So I don't care what u have to say. Doesn't make the biography any better.
If you don't have anything to say on the board except the same shit over and over about this book and the relative worth of Noel and Tony...then u aren't really adding anything more to the forum. Why don't we just stipulate that that is ur opinion...add you can stop posting it repeatedly.
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Post by globe on Oct 30, 2010 2:46:27 GMT -5
I'm not saying oasis only needed two members, i'm saying Noel and Liam Gallagher + any 3 other members I think you only had to see them perform post 2000 to see that just isn't true. Like I said originally, you obviously didn't see them play live anytime between 1994-1997 to have that view.
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Post by stoke80s on Oct 30, 2010 10:34:27 GMT -5
Globe has hit the nail on the head above!
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Post by lillyjean123 on Oct 30, 2010 15:22:57 GMT -5
Hey BigUn. I bought the book...I can slate it if I want to. I lined Tony's pockets and gave it a chance. I'm not slating Tony without giving it a chance like some others. I am genuinely disappointed that the gang mentality that they portrayed in the past seems to have been as much an illusion as anything from what I read in the book. The fact that there were so many cracks so early disappoints me. There seem to have been few genuinely strong friendships in the band. A pity really. The fact is that if all u have to say is that the book is awesome and Noel is a twat...yeah we get it. But frankly I don't care. You are hardly impartial. So I don't care what u have to say. Doesn't make the biography any better. If you don't have anything to say on the board except the same shit over and over about this book and the relative worth of Noel and Tony...then u aren't really adding anything more to the forum. Why don't we just stipulate that that is ur opinion...add you can stop posting it repeatedly.
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Post by lillyjean123 on Oct 30, 2010 15:31:31 GMT -5
Read this book, and 1 thing that I think u are all missing is the fact that without bigun I don't think any of us would be ere now even talking about oasis, total respect 2 this man it's a privilege having u on this forum thank u so much 4 pushing liam in 2 this band ,u sound is if u were a really good friend 2 him! God bless u!
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Post by lillyjean123 on Oct 30, 2010 15:33:30 GMT -5
Well done Richard Dolan 2, well written great book,,
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Post by sword on Oct 30, 2010 15:56:06 GMT -5
Read this book, and 1 thing that I think u are all missing is the fact that without bigun I don't think any of us would be ere now even talking about oasis, total respect 2 this man it's a privilege having u on this forum thank u so much 4 pushing liam in 2 this band ,u sound is if u were a really good friend 2 him! God bless u! I agree. People's opinions should be respected. I would like to know how many L4E members have actually seen Oasis in concert with Tony on drums. Not fucking many i imagine!
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Post by bigun on Nov 1, 2010 11:20:32 GMT -5
Better brace yerself Noelites. It seems that over the weekend, one Mr Paul Arthurs, was in touch with Anthony Michael McCarroll. It seems that a certain Mr Noel Gallagher has requested their presence this coming weekend to discuss a 'potential' opportunity. Maybe Noel has got a heart after all. Remember you heard it here first!!
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Post by Unlikely Lad on Nov 1, 2010 11:28:40 GMT -5
Better brace yerself Noelites. It seems that over the weekend, one Mr Paul Arthurs, was in touch with Anthony Michael McCarroll. It seems that a certain Mr Noel Gallagher has requested their presence this coming weekend to discuss a 'potential' opportunity. Maybe Noel has got a heart after all. Remember you heard it here first!! should i be or rather be
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Post by gdforever on Nov 1, 2010 12:29:59 GMT -5
Better brace yerself Noelites. It seems that over the weekend, one Mr Paul Arthurs, was in touch with Anthony Michael McCarroll. It seems that a certain Mr Noel Gallagher has requested their presence this coming weekend to discuss a 'potential' opportunity. Maybe Noel has got a heart after all. Remember you heard it here first!! My guess is that they are planning another retrospective DVD or something and want all the original band members as talking heads. My guess is that it's lingering Oasis business not a real forwards motion opportunity in the music business connected with him. After reading or hearing about Tony's book why would Noel ever want to work with the man again? I don't mean that especially meanly towards Tony...but if an old coworker of mine had written a book detailing how he hated just about everything about me I wouldn't be keen on working again with them either. Noel has access the millions of other drummers with more skill and less relationship baggage than Tony.
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Post by mememe26 on Nov 1, 2010 15:44:41 GMT -5
Better brace yerself Noelites. It seems that over the weekend, one Mr Paul Arthurs, was in touch with Anthony Michael McCarroll. It seems that a certain Mr Noel Gallagher has requested their presence this coming weekend to discuss a 'potential' opportunity. Maybe Noel has got a heart after all. Remember you heard it here first!! Aye whatever.
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Nov 1, 2010 17:08:07 GMT -5
Any chance of letting us hear the fabled pre-Noel Oasis demos, Paul?
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Nov 2, 2010 13:25:00 GMT -5
There are a few on Youtube...
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Nov 2, 2010 15:26:37 GMT -5
There are a few on Youtube... Not Noel's songs, the ones done before Noel joined - Alice, Reminisce and a couple more which titles I forget.
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Post by jilliam on Nov 3, 2010 10:32:53 GMT -5
There are a few on Youtube... Not Noel's songs, the ones done before Noel joined - Alice, Reminisce and a couple more which titles I forget. BUMP. Some of the other recordings he had don't sound soo beatlesque as official Oasis stuff. Curious to have a listen to Noel c. 1989/1990
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Post by Rita on Nov 3, 2010 18:02:40 GMT -5
I just arrived from Manchester (been there for the first time actually, and I seriously liked it) and I finally bought this mythical book. So far, so good. BigUn, you should definitely write your own book, you're clearly a talented writer. As for the news... HA! No idea what it's gonna be, but it will definitely be VERY interesting ;D
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Post by bigun on Nov 9, 2010 7:46:37 GMT -5
I think the sound that Noel came to the band Oasis with, is most like his work with 'Fantasy Chicken and the Amateurs'. This is the demo he gave us when he wanted to join. You can here it on YouTube. Also if you search for 'Take Me Oasis' on YouTube you will here the Oasis' 'sound' in it's infancy.
I have got an old demo with lots of songs not on YouTube. Can I post it to this site? Can someone show me how?
Also I'm not sure if anyone is interested but I also have the original handwritten lyrics to 'Live Forever'. This was from the first time that Noel ever played the song. The lyrics are slightly different but the sheet is in immaculatge condition. Anyone interested?
Yours in a Beadyeye kinda way, BigUn.
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Nov 9, 2010 8:00:21 GMT -5
I think the sound that Noel came to the band Oasis with, is most like his work with 'Fantasy Chicken and the Amateurs'. This is the demo he gave us when he wanted to join. You can here it on YouTube. Is that the tape with songs like Have Fun? Yeah, it's easy enough. What format have you got the songs in? CD, cassette, mp3?
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Post by jilliam on Nov 9, 2010 19:38:37 GMT -5
Also I'm not sure if anyone is interested but I also have the original handwritten lyrics to 'Live Forever'. This was from the first time that Noel ever played the song. The lyrics are slightly different but the sheet is in immaculatge condition. Anyone interested? Yours in a Beadyeye kinda way, BigUn. Can you post up a scan of the lyric sheet? At your leisure, dude. Also, can you confirm, what exactly is a "car valet"? Does that involve driving a car? Been a bit of a debate in this forum about whether or not Liam and Noel know how to drive. PS The stories Tony wrote in the book about your and Liam are COMICAL!!
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Post by mezmerised on Nov 9, 2010 21:56:25 GMT -5
I think the sound that Noel came to the band Oasis with, is most like his work with 'Fantasy Chicken and the Amateurs'. This is the demo he gave us when he wanted to join. You can here it on YouTube. Also I'm not sure if anyone is interested but I also have the original handwritten lyrics to 'Live Forever'. This was from the first time that Noel ever played the song. The lyrics are slightly different but the sheet is in immaculatge condition. Anyone interested? In an interview you gave a couple of years ago you said you have the lyrics sheet with Liam's handwriting, so unless you have one more big revelation up your sleeve that Liam is in fact the actual songwriter of Live Forever, it's not really the original you are trying to sell here, is it? You know it's quite funny that you are trying to make money off Noel's talent IN THE SAME POST where you are trying to redirect the credit for the "Oasis sound" away from him. I honestly don't understand your way of thinking, the same way I don't really understand Tony's by the way. You say you are not interested in the money, while blatantly trying to make money by selling Oasis memorabilia to fans or by writing tell all books (not to mention lawsuits against the brothers every now and again). If Noel really treated you both so shitty and said cruel stuff (and for me as a fan who hasn't put him on a pedestal it is not exactly out of the realm of possibility to imagine things like that happening) - why not move on and don't get involved with Oasis ever again? It's not as if they are as ubiquitious now as they were 10/15 years ago, so as long as you don't put a bizarre column where Noel disses Tony's hairstyle right under Tony's nose, then Noel's comments are relatively easy to avoid. And maybe you are a bit oversensitive about how often he takes a pop at Tony in the press. You can't honestly think that Noel uses digs at Tony for publicity reasons to promote albums when he could and does take shots at much more well-known people (which obviously gets much more publicity) almost all the time. I actually started reading here because I wanted to find out more about Tony's book. I liked the idea to hear his version especially because I'm well aware that the "Noel truth" cannot be the whole truth. And I wanted to find out more about Liam and Noel and their relationship. But I don't think I'm gonna buy it anymore. He is almost as biased as the media, you know, in the press Noel is portrayed as the good guy who had to suffer all these years under Liam's rages and crazy behaviour, and now, surprise surprise, according to Tony Liam was the nice guy all along and Noel the bully. Great, could they possibly be portrayed any more one-dimensional and caricature-like? I just think it was a good opportunity wasted. And I guess I'm gonna have to wait until Bonehead decides to write a book.
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Post by bigun on Nov 10, 2010 5:32:15 GMT -5
Mesmerised, you are a buffoon of the highest order. I am not selling these lyrics (as I stated in the article you have obviously read). I will post these lyrics to the site for the enjoyment of anybody who might be interested.
With regards to me removing myself away from Noel's line of fire, why the fuck should I? Maybe he wants to consider giving it a rest instead.
ps I like the way you state you are not going to buy the book then tell me how Tony's writing is one dimensional. How do you know if you haven't read the book?
Yours in a goodguy kinda way, BigUn, Lord Mayor of Levenshulme.
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Post by mezmerised on Nov 10, 2010 11:47:12 GMT -5
Mesmerised, you are a buffoon of the highest order. I am not selling these lyrics (as I stated in the article you have obviously read). I will post these lyrics to the site for the enjoyment of anybody who might be interested. With regards to me removing myself away from Noel's line of fire, why the fuck should I? Maybe he wants to consider giving it a rest instead. ps I like the way you state you are not going to buy the book then tell me how Tony's writing is one dimensional. How do you know if you haven't read the book? Yours in a goodguy kinda way, BigUn, Lord Mayor of Levenshulme. Well, I read it quite some time ago and didn't remember everything you said there, but I just googled it again, and you are right, of course, you said explicitly that you have no intention to ever sell it. On the other hand you might have changed your mind about it and honestly the way you worded your question it sounded to me as if you are looking for a buyer. But sorry for the misunderstanding, although if you just wanted to show it to people the whole question seems a bit redundant to me. On an Oasis board I would have guessed people are interested to see a lyrics sheet of LF anyway (no matter if it's Noel's original or Liam's copy of the original ) I just don't think either you or Tony actually are in Noel's line of fire. Obviously I have no idea what went down between the 3 of you in private but publicly, at least, Noel doesn't go out of his way to insult you. For example he said much worse stuff (and much more frequently) about Damon Albarn, Robbie Williams or Thom Yorke and I doubt anyone of them would consider themselves to be in "Noel's line of fire" (with the exception of Robbie perhaps but only because he takes everything really personal as well). And I don't think many fans ever had a bad opinion about Tony or his drumming, most people I know think Tony's drumming sounds great on DM and Alan's drumming was great for MG and on onwards. I also think Tony came across really well in the DM DVD. (The only problem I ever had with him was him trying to get money for albums he didn't play on). I just don't get why he felt the need to retaliate against Noel now, 15 years(!) after it all went down in a way that could be described as bitter and bitchy. And how do I know that without having read the book? By having a look at excerpts from the book that are posted online and by talking to people who have already read it. I just think Tony will now be mostly known for trash-talking Noel (just have a look at the headlines of newspaper articles about the book), not sure if that's what he wanted to achieve. And whenever your name comes up in Oasis-related articles it is also often something negative about Noel or the band. Noel OTOH gets so much speaking time that any comments he ever made about you or Tony don't even make up one percent of what he says. At the moment, for example he seems to spend 95% of his on-air time going on and on about ManCity... I believe you when you say you and Tony are not bitter about your involvement with Oasis but I cannot help but feel that in the media you come across as if you are. Also I think it's a bit disingenious when you say you mostly feel for Tony's children who must feel bad when reading insults about their dad but at the same time when Tony makes fun of the fact that Noel got several ribs broken by some crazy guy ("a spot of on-stage stage diving in Canada") you call it "just a little bit of Mancunian tit for tat". If you are so concerned about the feelings of children then how do you think Noel's kids feel about someone gloating about that?
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Post by gdforever on Nov 10, 2010 12:51:59 GMT -5
Mesmerised, you are a buffoon of the highest order. I am not selling these lyrics (as I stated in the article you have obviously read). I will post these lyrics to the site for the enjoyment of anybody who might be interested. With regards to me removing myself away from Noel's line of fire, why the fuck should I? Maybe he wants to consider giving it a rest instead. ps I like the way you state you are not going to buy the book then tell me how Tony's writing is one dimensional. How do you know if you haven't read the book? Yours in a goodguy kinda way, BigUn, Lord Mayor of Levenshulme. Well, I read it quite some time ago and didn't remember everything you said there, but I just googled it again, and you are right, of course, you said explicitly that you have no intention to ever sell it. On the other hand you might have changed your mind about it and honestly the way you worded your question it sounded to me as if you are looking for a buyer. But sorry for the misunderstanding, although if you just wanted to show it to people the whole question seems a bit redundant to me. On an Oasis board I would have guessed people are interested to see a lyrics sheet of LF anyway (no matter if it's Noel's original or Liam's copy of the original ) I just don't think either you or Tony actually are in Noel's line of fire. Obviously I have no idea what went down between the 3 of you in private but publicly, at least, Noel doesn't go out of his way to insult you. For example he said much worse stuff (and much more frequently) about Damon Albarn, Robbie Williams or Thom Yorke and I doubt anyone of them would consider themselves to be in "Noel's line of fire" (with the exception of Robbie perhaps but only because he takes everything really personal as well). And I don't think many fans ever had a bad opinion about Tony or his drumming, most people I know think Tony's drumming sounds great on DM and Alan's drumming was great for MG and on onwards. I also think Tony came across really well in the DM DVD. (The only problem I ever had with him was him trying to get money for albums he didn't play on). I just don't get why he felt the need to retaliate against Noel now, 15 years(!) after it all went down in a way that could be described as bitter and bitchy. And how do I know that without having read the book? By having a look at excerpts from the book that are posted online and by talking to people who have already read it. I just think Tony will now be mostly known for trash-talking Noel (just have a look at the headlines of newspaper articles about the book), not sure if that's what he wanted to achieve. And whenever your name comes up in Oasis-related articles it is also often something negative about Noel or the band. Noel OTOH gets so much speaking time that any comments he ever made about you or Tony don't even make up one percent of what he says. At the moment, for example he seems to spend 95% of his on-air time going on and on about ManCity... I believe you when you say you and Tony are not bitter about your involvement with Oasis but I cannot help but feel that in the media you come across as if you are. Also I think it's a bit disingenious when you say you mostly feel for Tony's children who must feel bad when reading insults about their dad but at the same time when Tony makes fun of the fact that Noel got several ribs broken by some crazy guy ("a spot of on-stage stage diving in Canada") you call it "just a little bit of Mancunian tit for tat". If you are so concerned about the feelings of children then how do you think Noel's kids feel about someone gloating about that? Well said
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Nov 10, 2010 15:39:54 GMT -5
I have got an old demo with lots of songs not on YouTube. Can I post it to this site? Can someone show me how? That would be great!!! Please do
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