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Post by gdforever on Jan 7, 2011 16:30:08 GMT -5
Those E's don't match either.
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Post by mezmerised on Jan 7, 2011 16:30:36 GMT -5
Well, it's supposed to be Liam's handwriting, so the "original" bigun keeps going on about was actually always only Liam's first version of Live Forever (when he copied Noel's lyric sheet so he could read it better). Still, it must be one of the earlier versions of LF that are still around today. Not sure whether Noel ever thought about keeping any of his first drafts at all. Explanation makes it even worse. Liam originally wanted the lyric to read "baby", not "maybe". Don't see it here. I dont think this is Liam either. Besides what are the chances that Liam and Noel's handwriting are completely the same except for their "E's". Looks like someone just tried to forge this, and thats the end of it. I wasn't trying to defend him or even say that it is definitely Liam's handwriting. I just read this explanation once in an interview that he gave and there he said he had Liam's copy of LF. Just wanted to stop people arguing about it not really looking like Noel's or even a lefthanded person's handwriting until bigun pops up again in a couple of days saying that it is supposed to be Liam's. But anyway, I'm not even sure if it's real at all. And to whoever had this idea, no, I'm not bigun. Go check my ip and you will see I'm from Germany. I honestly came here to find out if the book is any good.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 7, 2011 17:06:30 GMT -5
Those E's don't match either. To be fair, the capitalized 'E' in Eye looks similar. Remember, the lyric sheet in question were all capitalized..... I just started to question him now, but I'm leaning back to him being legit. I would find it very odd for someone to impersonate Bigun, and especially keep it up this long, and - for the most part - only be concentrated to this one thread. -- Normally the fakers spam everywhere, are pretty obvious, and go away in due time......Just sayin.
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Jan 7, 2011 17:39:06 GMT -5
There's precious little evidence of Liam's handwriting online, apart from the usual autographs so it's very hard to judge. Doesn't look like Noel's but who's claiming they were written by him?
One thing that does stick out "maybe I just want to bleed". "Breathe", surely. Maybe the lyrics pre-date the recording, maybe it's just a simple mistake.
Another thing: "You and I will live forever". Matches up to the demo, later changed to "gonna live forever".
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bigun
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Post by bigun on Jan 7, 2011 17:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Jan 7, 2011 17:52:56 GMT -5
You know, after all these years, I never twigged that Liam was singing "you and I will live forever" in the demo. I could tell the phrasing was different but just didn't register the difference in words. A nice touch.
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Jan 7, 2011 18:20:07 GMT -5
Wow. Listen to the Live Forever Boardwalk rehearsal. Sounds very much more like "bleed" to me. And "you and I will live forever". More blown away by these minor revelations than The Roller, to be honest.
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Jan 7, 2011 19:24:22 GMT -5
Fucking hell, do you have the entire Oasis newspaper archive there?
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Post by mrsm81 on Jan 7, 2011 20:19:26 GMT -5
im reading it now. no conspircies or nowt, so far he seems fair enough.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 7, 2011 22:09:23 GMT -5
Still cant believe he tried to sue Oasis because he helped in a chance meeting. The brass ones on him. I'd not want to him again too, if I were Noel. To sue for that reason is just retarded. lol
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Post by gdforever on Jan 7, 2011 22:22:19 GMT -5
^ Bit of a crazy concept, huh?
I remember reading something in Tony's book that said that BigUn ran into Noel sometimes but that they didn't hang out or something because BigUn didn't couldn't forget the events of the past or something.
Now knowing that BigUn tried to sue them...somehow I doubt Noel was seeking any sort of association with him. LOL
So much for BigUn being a unbiased friend who just watched everything fall out.
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bigun
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Post by bigun on Jan 8, 2011 6:21:30 GMT -5
I have never 'sued' Oasis or the Gallagher brothers. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, especially anything submitted by Dominic Mohan or Gordon Smart!! I am still in contact with Noel and although the relationship fractured a few years ago, as with most things, time has healed it somewhat. Noel has read the book and I know although he doesn't agree with everything even he is apologetic towards Tony.
I am biased towards Tony? Maybe. I just feel it is wrong the way he has been portrayed in the press for the last two decades and whole heartedly support everything he has said in his book. I guess the Spartan in me will always stand up for the 'little' man.
I feel privileged to have been part of the whole thing. Just unhappy with the photograph on the scooter. I look like a greek god if you photograph me from the right hand side!!
BigUn.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 8, 2011 10:08:01 GMT -5
You are creepy Mark tbf.
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Post by morning_rain on Jan 8, 2011 13:15:50 GMT -5
I think I got a way for Bigun to prove he is real. Play the tape on a casette player, record a minute with a digital camera (a video with sound) or using an smartphone and upload to Youtube.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 8, 2011 13:25:12 GMT -5
I have never 'sued' Oasis or the Gallagher brothers. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, especially anything submitted by Dominic Mohan or Gordon Smart!! I am still in contact with Noel and although the relationship fractured a few years ago, as with most things, time has healed it somewhat. Noel has read the book and I know although he doesn't agree with everything even he is apologetic towards Tony. I am biased towards Tony? Maybe. I just feel it is wrong the way he has been portrayed in the press for the last two decades and whole heartedly support everything he has said in his book. I guess the Spartan in me will always stand up for the 'little' man. I feel privileged to have been part of the whole thing. Just unhappy with the photograph on the scooter. I look like a greek god if you photograph me from the right hand side!! BigUn. That whole Spartan thing was/is incredibly pretentious to me. Your biases probably has nothing to do with the fact that you and Tony seem to have been exiled from the inner circle @ about the same time and so seemed to have been in the same boat thinking that you were both owed something more. Although I did find it out of order that you brought articles to Tony where Noel slagged him off. What kind of friend does that? EDIT: Wait, nevermind, I don't care. You are the way you live your life are none of my business. Looking forward to the demos...eventually...
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Post by gdforever on Jan 8, 2011 13:26:06 GMT -5
I think I got a way for Bigun to prove he is real. Play the tape on a casette player, record a minute with a digital camera (a video with sound) or using an smartphone and upload to Youtube. He's already got it on his computer. He tried to upload it months ago apparently but was unable to.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 8, 2011 13:34:13 GMT -5
He's already got it on his computer. He tried to upload it months ago apparently but was unable to. I think it's probably more a case of won't opposed to can't I was trying to be generous...
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Post by spaneli on Jan 8, 2011 13:34:38 GMT -5
Might have something to do with the quality of the cassette, when he tried to copy it onto computer. Those tapes have to be at least 16 years old, who knows what condition they are in.
Dont know if thats the cause, but it could be a plausible explanation.
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bigun
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Post by bigun on Jan 8, 2011 14:02:59 GMT -5
I have never 'sued' Oasis or the Gallagher brothers. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, especially anything submitted by Dominic Mohan or Gordon Smart!! I am still in contact with Noel and although the relationship fractured a few years ago, as with most things, time has healed it somewhat. Noel has read the book and I know although he doesn't agree with everything even he is apologetic towards Tony. I am biased towards Tony? Maybe. I just feel it is wrong the way he has been portrayed in the press for the last two decades and whole heartedly support everything he has said in his book. I guess the Spartan in me will always stand up for the 'little' man. I feel privileged to have been part of the whole thing. Just unhappy with the photograph on the scooter. I look like a greek god if you photograph me from the right hand side!! BigUn. That whole Spartan thing was/is incredibly pretentious to me. Your biases probably has nothing to do with the fact that you and Tony seem to have been exiled from the inner circle @ about the same time and so seemed to have been in the same boat thinking that you were both owed something more. Although I did find it out of order that you brought articles to Tony where Noel slagged him off. What kind of friend does that? EDIT: Wait, nevermind, I don't care. You are the way you live your life are none of my business. Looking forward to the demos...eventually... GDForever. You are a tool. Spartan is a Mancunian term for someone who is upright and solid, so that makes a whole generation of working class Mancunians pretentious you nugget. I was never exiled from any 'inner circle'. I still speak to all the band bar Guigs who nobody speaks to (his choice). I've encountered on this site a lot of people who disagree with what I say and that is their prerogative and I respect such. If we all thought the same thing how fucking boring would that be? What you do though is turn it personal and nasty. If you're this vicious about something you don't care about I would not like to see how you are with something you do!! I've spoke to someone re helping me post the demo because it seems there are a lot of people who would be interested in such. If you are interested please send me a personal mail and when I can I will send the demo to you. This way of doing things will also enable me to exclude GDForever as a retribution for nastiness. Yours in a Instant Karma (The Roller) kinda way, BigUn.
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Jan 8, 2011 15:57:12 GMT -5
You are a legend BigUn. If you have read through the thread, you'll understand that I have always regarded Tony to be the best Oasis drummer. I have never doubted your authenticity. I remember posting in this thread about Bring It On Down being Tony's best song and, in the book, he wrote about the fat cockney bastard had been hired by Noel to drum on the song because Tony was apparently 'not good enough', and he was shook up so much by Bonehead's admission that he was banging Tony's wife he drummed that song with all his heart. Very interesting.
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Jan 8, 2011 16:47:09 GMT -5
Might have something to do with the quality of the cassette, when he tried to copy it onto computer. Those tapes have to be at least 16 years old, who knows what condition they are in. Tape is far more resilient to the ages than various digital media, provided they're stored in anywhere near decent conditions.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 8, 2011 17:49:11 GMT -5
Bigun is most certainly legit. I said it before, and I'll say it again - we are privileged to have someone with a connection to the band post outright on here, can we stop trying to push him away? His opinions aren't facts (no opinions are), but his connections are interesting and we should embrace his efforts on this forum, even if we disagree with some of his thoughts.
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Post by General Dread on Jan 9, 2011 9:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by morning_rain on Jan 9, 2011 12:37:58 GMT -5
I do think he is real, I only said that as a quick way to show us a few snippets of the songs while he get the tapes posted I agree with NL4E, we should feel privileged to have bigUn on the forum.
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Post by lillyjean123 on Jan 9, 2011 14:19:17 GMT -5
Bigun do u know Richard Dolan?
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