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Post by Let It Bleed on Jun 8, 2016 14:13:55 GMT -5
Sternumman and myself will be court side tonight at Quicken Loans Arena cheering on Lébron and the Cavs. x
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 8, 2016 17:15:57 GMT -5
Sternumman and myself will be court side tonight at Quicken Loans Arena cheering on Lébron and the Cavs. x I'd vote for Trump before I root for LeBron in a Cavs Jersey.
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Jun 10, 2016 10:37:51 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Jun 10, 2016 10:37:51 GMT -5
This is what I'm predicting tonight.
...with a dash of Kyrie.
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Jun 10, 2016 11:20:40 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Jun 10, 2016 11:20:40 GMT -5
Cavs in 7.
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Jun 10, 2016 23:35:25 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Jun 10, 2016 23:35:25 GMT -5
Whoops...
Kyrie was the only one on the Cavs who was aggressive. TT sat too much in the second half but I understand why they kept him out (FT). Lebron had a great statline and was all over the game in the first half without scoring, but he should have looked more to get his in the second.
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Jun 11, 2016 5:11:45 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 11, 2016 5:11:45 GMT -5
Until someone wins on the road I'll withhold judgement. Warriors in 5 Whoops... Kyrie was the only one on the Cavs who was aggressive. TT sat too much in the second half but I understand why they kept him out (FT). Lebron had a great statline and was all over the game in the first half without scoring, but he should have looked more to get his in the second. I fell asleep half way through the fourth but I agree LeBron needs to be more aggressive offensively. Its funny I dont think any other player gets criticized with his line. 25pts on 50 % 13 reb 9 ast 2 st 3 blks. Those stats are ridiculous. Only two players have ever put up a 25 pt 13reb 9 ast 2 blk game in the finals. Lebron and Shaq bkref.com/tiny/ZjBXH He did have 7tos though. I said it last page. Hes frustrating to watch at times. He needs to drive every time, stop looking to pass when hes in the key, and get back in the post. I cant remember any plays this finals with his back to the basket backing someone down. He needs to fix his jumper this offseason too.
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Jun 11, 2016 9:06:24 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 11, 2016 9:06:24 GMT -5
Until someone wins on the road I'll withhold judgement. Warriors in 5 Whoops... Kyrie was the only one on the Cavs who was aggressive. TT sat too much in the second half but I understand why they kept him out (FT). Lebron had a great statline and was all over the game in the first half without scoring, but he should have looked more to get his in the second. I fell asleep half way through the fourth but I agree LeBron needs to be more aggressive offensively. Its funny I dont think any other player gets criticized with his line. 25pts on 50 % 13 reb 9 ast 2 st 3 blks. Those stats are ridiculous. Only two players have ever put up a 25 pt 13reb 9 ast 2 blk game in the finals. Lebron and Shaq bkref.com/tiny/ZjBXH He did have 7tos though. I said it last page. Hes frustrating to watch at times. He needs to drive every time, stop looking to pass when hes in the key, and get back in the post. I cant remember any plays this finals with his back to the basket backing someone down. He needs to fix his jumper this offseason too. Makes one wonder if Lebron is even capable of carrying a team from night-to-night. He was clearly gassed by the end of game four. Still, he should have been more assertive before the fourth quarter hit, but I was reading somewhere that he's already played as many minutes as Bird and Magic during their careers, and Micheal during his Bulls run. That's crazy. Granted, Bird's career was cut a couple years short by his back issues, Magic because of HIV, and Jordan because of a pit-stop of a retirement, but the point still stands that Lebron is only 31 years old. However, he has the minutes load of someone who is more 34 or 35. Are we just seeing the decline of Lebron as a transcendent player who can go-out and get you a win on his own? Maybe. The same happened to Kobe (he already declined and lost most of star power and efficiency by 35, and the Achilles just took him out. I wonder him Lebron has max, 35, until he can't do it anymore.). Yet that doesn't completely absolve Lebron. He still has an aura around him, and when he goes, his team follows. He just never led.
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Post by Cast on Jun 11, 2016 9:17:59 GMT -5
Warriors in 5 I fell asleep half way through the fourth but I agree LeBron needs to be more aggressive offensively. Its funny I dont think any other player gets criticized with his line. 25pts on 50 % 13 reb 9 ast 2 st 3 blks. Those stats are ridiculous. Only two players have ever put up a 25 pt 13reb 9 ast 2 blk game in the finals. Lebron and Shaq bkref.com/tiny/ZjBXH He did have 7tos though. I said it last page. Hes frustrating to watch at times. He needs to drive every time, stop looking to pass when hes in the key, and get back in the post. I cant remember any plays this finals with his back to the basket backing someone down. He needs to fix his jumper this offseason too. Makes one wonder if Lebron is even capable of carrying a team from night-to-night. He was clearly gassed by the end of game four. Still, he should have been more assertive before the fourth quarter hit, but I was reading somewhere that he's already played as many minutes as Bird and Magic during their careers, and Micheal during his Bulls run. That's crazy. Granted, Bird's career was cut a couple years short by his back issues, Magic because of HIV, and Jordan because of a pit-stop of a retirement, but the point still stands that Lebron is only 31 years old. However, he has the minutes load of someone who is more 34 or 35. Are we just seeing the decline of Lebron as a transcendent player who can go-out and get you a win on his own? Maybe. The same happened to Kobe (he already declined and lost most of star power and efficiency by 35, and the Achilles just took him out. I wonder him Lebron has max, 35, until he can't do it anymore.). Yet that doesn't completely absolve Lebron. He still has an aura around him, and when he goes, his team follows. He just never led. whoa whoa whoa now. You realize you are talking about a dude who played 76 games (coasted some obviously), and averaged 7.5 rebounds 6.8 assists 1.4 steals and 25.5 points? And as lead his team to 6 straight nba finals? "ledecline" is overstated he is aging and Cavs suck at managing him like the Heat did. Dude is still an all time great who is playing at an all time great level, a bad game shouldn't mirage that. Bill Simmons brings up your point all the time. The fact is there's nobody like lebron on the court and off. The way he takes care of himself is insane, he is already in uncharted territory in terms of playoff consistency and individual night in and night out load of carrying a team. I think its obvious that he isn't consistently as amazing as he was from 09-13 specifically (12-13), but he' still in his prime, just not his peak and his prime is better than 98% of the league. Lue's coaching is pretty mediocre right now with his rotations and overall scheming.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 11, 2016 9:48:24 GMT -5
Makes one wonder if Lebron is even capable of carrying a team from night-to-night. He was clearly gassed by the end of game four. Still, he should have been more assertive before the fourth quarter hit, but I was reading somewhere that he's already played as many minutes as Bird and Magic during their careers, and Micheal during his Bulls run. That's crazy. Granted, Bird's career was cut a couple years short by his back issues, Magic because of HIV, and Jordan because of a pit-stop of a retirement, but the point still stands that Lebron is only 31 years old. However, he has the minutes load of someone who is more 34 or 35. Are we just seeing the decline of Lebron as a transcendent player who can go-out and get you a win on his own? Maybe. The same happened to Kobe (he already declined and lost most of star power and efficiency by 35, and the Achilles just took him out. I wonder him Lebron has max, 35, until he can't do it anymore.). Yet that doesn't completely absolve Lebron. He still has an aura around him, and when he goes, his team follows. He just never led. whoa whoa whoa now. You realize you are talking about a dude who played 76 games (coasted some obviously), and averaged 7.5 rebounds 6.8 assists 1.4 steals and 25.5 points? And as lead his team to 6 straight nba finals? "ledecline" is overstated he is aging and Cavs suck at managing him like the Heat did. Dude is still an all time great who is playing at an all time great level, a bad game shouldn't mirage that. Bill Simmons brings up your point all the time. The fact is there's nobody like lebron on the court and off. The way he takes care of himself is insane, he is already in uncharted territory in terms of playoff consistency and individual night in and night out load of carrying a team. I think its obvious that he isn't consistently as amazing as he was from 09-13 specifically (12-13), but he' still in his prime, just not his peak and his prime is better than 98% of the league. Lue's coaching is pretty mediocre right now with his rotations and overall scheming. LeBron is in that class of athlete where it is so fucking hard to please the critics. Guys like ARod, Peyton, Tiger. No matter what they do, they fail to impress someone yet they are all-time greats. Wow thats weird, all 3 of the guys I named did or probably did massive amounts of steroids.
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Jun 11, 2016 10:10:32 GMT -5
Post by boneheadsbolero on Jun 11, 2016 10:10:32 GMT -5
Poor LeBron. Almost always on the losing team. He's like Wilt Chamberlain without the 10,000 bimbos. What's the point?
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 11, 2016 17:27:00 GMT -5
Makes one wonder if Lebron is even capable of carrying a team from night-to-night. He was clearly gassed by the end of game four. Still, he should have been more assertive before the fourth quarter hit, but I was reading somewhere that he's already played as many minutes as Bird and Magic during their careers, and Micheal during his Bulls run. That's crazy. Granted, Bird's career was cut a couple years short by his back issues, Magic because of HIV, and Jordan because of a pit-stop of a retirement, but the point still stands that Lebron is only 31 years old. However, he has the minutes load of someone who is more 34 or 35. Are we just seeing the decline of Lebron as a transcendent player who can go-out and get you a win on his own? Maybe. The same happened to Kobe (he already declined and lost most of star power and efficiency by 35, and the Achilles just took him out. I wonder him Lebron has max, 35, until he can't do it anymore.). Yet that doesn't completely absolve Lebron. He still has an aura around him, and when he goes, his team follows. He just never led. whoa whoa whoa now. You realize you are talking about a dude who played 76 games (coasted some obviously), and averaged 7.5 rebounds 6.8 assists 1.4 steals and 25.5 points? And as lead his team to 6 straight nba finals? "ledecline" is overstated he is aging and Cavs suck at managing him like the Heat did. Dude is still an all time great who is playing at an all time great level, a bad game shouldn't mirage that. Bill Simmons brings up your point all the time. The fact is there's nobody like lebron on the court and off. The way he takes care of himself is insane, he is already in uncharted territory in terms of playoff consistency and individual night in and night out load of carrying a team. I think its obvious that he isn't consistently as amazing as he was from 09-13 specifically (12-13), but he' still in his prime, just not his peak and his prime is better than 98% of the league. Lue's coaching is pretty mediocre right now with his rotations and overall scheming. I disagree about him still being in his prime. I think he just left it but he's still arguably the best player in the league still or in the top three with Curry and KD. He just ran into an all time great team. He might have won last year if his team was healthy. I just dont see how its possible this year even if he was playing at '12 Lebron levels. GS is just an all around better team. People will bash him for his final record but I think the'11 one was the only year he should have won but didnt. 2007-Was a kid w/ scrubs vs a veteran Spurs team. 2011-Was a choke job 2014-Wades legs were gone and that Heat team ran out of gas after four straight finals. That Spurs were more focused and was looking for revenge. 2015-Lost two all stars 2016- Faced the best regular season team of all time. Its still better to lose in the finals than never get there.
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Jun 12, 2016 6:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 12, 2016 6:04:49 GMT -5
4 yrs, 87 total playoff gms w/ Heat, LBJ had 7 TOs 3 times. He's had 7+ TOs 2 of last 3 gms in these finals.
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Post by Cast on Jun 12, 2016 8:24:53 GMT -5
whoa whoa whoa now. You realize you are talking about a dude who played 76 games (coasted some obviously), and averaged 7.5 rebounds 6.8 assists 1.4 steals and 25.5 points? And as lead his team to 6 straight nba finals? "ledecline" is overstated he is aging and Cavs suck at managing him like the Heat did. Dude is still an all time great who is playing at an all time great level, a bad game shouldn't mirage that. Bill Simmons brings up your point all the time. The fact is there's nobody like lebron on the court and off. The way he takes care of himself is insane, he is already in uncharted territory in terms of playoff consistency and individual night in and night out load of carrying a team. I think its obvious that he isn't consistently as amazing as he was from 09-13 specifically (12-13), but he' still in his prime, just not his peak and his prime is better than 98% of the league. Lue's coaching is pretty mediocre right now with his rotations and overall scheming. I disagree about him still being in his prime. I think he just left it but he's still arguably the best player in the league still or in the top three with Curry and KD. He just ran into an all time great team. He might have won last year if his team was healthy. I just dont see how its possible this year even if he was playing at '12 Lebron levels. GS is just an all around better team. People will bash him for his final record but I think the'11 one was the only year he should have won but didnt. 2007-Was a kid w/ scrubs vs a veteran Spurs team. 2011-Was a choke job 2014-Wades legs were gone and that Heat team ran out of gas after four straight finals. That Spurs were more focused and was looking for revenge. 2015-Lost two all stars 2016- Faced the best regular season team of all time. Its still better to lose in the finals than never get there. Eh kinda nitpicking with terms, but here's how I'd explain it - at least how I'm using those terms. I describe a players prime as the period where their basketball IQ and natural abilities line up. For most players its somewhere between the gap of 25-32, depending on the player's injuries and development. guards usually reaching their primes quicker and exit them quicker, but big man's decline's tend to be more dramatic once they start (think shaq). Players can have a long prime but a short peak ala Vince Carter. 00-01 is a great year peak, but the dude never reach those highs again despite being a 20 plus scorer until 2009 and an allstar until 2007. Primes tend to be a few years, where as peaks are one or two years of brilliance - kinda like what Curry has done the past two seasons, especially this one. Leborn is still in his prime - naturally in the twilight of it, but he's definitely past his Miami and later 1 stint Cav's peak. In his best season with the Heat (12-13) he put up 27, 8, and 7 on 57% shooting. Now with the Cavs he is at 25, 7, and 7, with 52% shooting. Raw numbers obviously don't tell the whole story, but that's over a 82 game season one in which for the most part barring last years finals I thought he played a little better this year than last (probably do to the team gelling). Yeah its obvious his jumper is broken, needs a whole lot of work and he needs to discover some confidence to shot it. This finals he's strangely been lackluster finishing at the rim, but the dude can still defend at an amazing level his passing lane defense has been outstanding this finals. Yes he is older, but people so quick to define "ledecline" is troubling. The night in and out brilliance is gone, but he is a dude who can been in the league for 13 years I don't really mind him coasting a couple games from Nov. to feb. He could be totally out of his prime but next year if he doesn't make adjustments to his game like all the greats do once they reach this point, but you can't tell me that the dude who caught a shitty lob from Kyrie one handed and reached at least a 38 vert is out of his prime. I imagine he'll start to play the 4 on the reg, whether he likes it or not. He is at the point where he needs to adjust to adapt his game to his slowly fading physical abilities its gonna be very interesting to watch and he how he manages it. I bet he has never felt this mortal physically and competition wise. Kobe kinda at this moment in 2010, he wasn't really KOBE in those finals but he managed to transform the Mamba into Vino. Totally agree with your finals thoughts. 2011 was the one year he didn't show and he got shitted on rightfully. That Mavs team is massively underrated and was a vet group that went through the ringer in the WC that year. Those Spurs teams were too tough, too smart, too deep. The Warriors are just historic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 7:37:04 GMT -5
Well, this thread got hot over the weekend.
Warriors will win this series. I do think that Cleveland can win on the road, but LeBron needs some help other than Kyrie throwing up 25 shots a game.
The loss of Draymond will be interesting to see. The guy can't even be upset at this point... he constantly straddles the line and this time he got bounced. Stop going after another mans junk!
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jun 13, 2016 14:22:36 GMT -5
Sternumman and myself will be courtside tonight at the Oracle cheering on Donald Trump and the Cavs. God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 9:38:49 GMT -5
Well, that was interesting.
Steph looked uninterested. Klay was making shots that should never be taken. LeBron and Kyrie went full on ridiculous.
The fans who paid $95,000 for court side seats are most likely waking with a massive hangover, but not for the reason they had intended.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jun 16, 2016 23:07:22 GMT -5
The NBA has has become almost literally unwatchable. Terrible officiating, both ways. Can't wait until college basketball is back
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 7:15:01 GMT -5
Well... this got interesting.
Anyone who can deny LeBron's greatness as a basketball player needs to be psycho analyzed and possibly institutionalized.
What has happened to Golden State? Funny how they all called LeBron a "cry baby" before game 5, and then they turned into a bunch of "cry babies". Man up or shut up!
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 17, 2016 7:55:08 GMT -5
Lebron is a beast. Just amazing to watch.
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Post by Cast on Jun 17, 2016 10:17:54 GMT -5
First of all Game 7, actually has potential to be a GOAT NBA Finals game. I know most game 7's are blowouts, but this one has so much riding on it.
Kyrie and Lebron in game 5 was something incredible to watch. Kyrie obviously grew up in my era (early to mid 00's) where there were so many great iso-destroyers. He just hits so many tough shots like AI, Kobe, and Arenas. You can hate on him if he doesn't have it going, but you have to admire the confidence and the relative consistency that he hits those tough shots. He is without a doubt a top 5-7 offensive player in this league. Great Offense > Great Defense in the NBA at the end of the day. Playoffs are all about possessions and Cavs have made the Warriors pay for their relatively free-flowing and careless style of basketball. TT for the Cavs is earning his money. Dude just works his ass off and really knows how to play within himself.
Lebron is just something special. These past two games are something that we'll all remember about him. He's playing free, confident, and I think he is loving the fact that he is reminding the world that he IS the best player in the world when it comes down to a do or die situation. Wait - I thought he was past his prime? Sure, Curry is an offensive force like no other, and although I love KD like few players in the league he hasn't totally become the force of nature that Lebron is on both sides of the ball. Lebron's IQ is just off the charts, his passing is amazing, and those reads into the passing lane that he has had on GS are just incredible.
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Post by glider on Jun 17, 2016 13:34:56 GMT -5
Cavs in 7.
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 18, 2016 3:10:02 GMT -5
Crazy stat. Well he's been playing out of his mind the last two games. Easily the best player on the court. If he has another monster game but they lose he should probably still be MVP. If GS loses Green might be on suicide watch all summer. They had a chance to put them away. He gets suspended and then they lose Bogut. Changed the whole series around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 9:11:06 GMT -5
gonna be a great game 7 tonight. series will come down to the final play of the game, and the final score will be within 2-3 points either way. mark it down.
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Jun 19, 2016 9:59:58 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 19, 2016 9:59:58 GMT -5
I hope lebron drops fifty. Wins MVP but the Warriors win.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 10:07:55 GMT -5
I hope lebron drops fifty. Wins MVP but the Warriors win.
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