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Jun 1, 2011 11:48:33 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 1, 2011 11:48:33 GMT -5
^^Really do think that Miami will stand pat. Let It Bleed, they don't have cap space. That won't be changing any time soon. And in fact, that probably will get worse with the new collective bargaining agreement. So they're not going to sign anyone. They've got no assets to trade, and while the Bulls at least have some draft picks (whether they're worth anything or not), the Heat used their drafts picks in sign and trades. Centers don't grow on trees. If they did, everyone would have one. It's the reason that there's always interest in Shaq. The centers market is dead. To even get a good one, or even a decent one, you have to either sign one (which is out the question for the Heat), or you have to do what The Bulls did with Joakim Noah. Draft them, nurture them, and then hope they grow into something. The Heat might get a PG. But even that will be somewhat problematic because again, they have no cap space, draft picks, or assets which are trade able. There's a reason the Heat have Bibby. Because they couldn't afford anyone else, and that was the best they could trade for with their limited assets. This is the team that they have, and will have. Don't get me wrong, a few players will leave, as usual. But there won't be any significant upgrades at any position for Miami. I just don't see how they make any moves. Any good center say like a Tyson Chandler will have to take a major pay cut to play there. Especially, after the new collective bargaining agreement. This isn't me being a fan of anyone, this just me looking that the facts of the Heat's financial situation. No trade assets, no draft picks, no money under the cap. Those aren't opinions, those are facts. well supposedly, the Heat are thinking of signing Greg Oden. taking a chance on Oden is more productive than someone like Ilguaskas not even playing at all. the Heat will do something, and like i said, they're only gonna get better.
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Jun 1, 2011 11:56:37 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 1, 2011 11:56:37 GMT -5
And when it comes to drafts, it's too hard to judge. I remember 2009, when everyone was saying that everyone after Blake Griffin wasn't worth anyone's times.
Players drafted in that draft: Darren Collison, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry, and Tyreke Evans.
Same thing with 2007, when everyone was saying "after Oden and Durant, it will be a bad draft."
Players drafted after them: Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Glen Davis, and Marc Gasol.
There aren't obviously good picks in this draft, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good players. Drafting isn't an exact science. That's why there are busts. And that's why there are surprises in the draft. So when some are saying that Cleveland will be the only one who benefits, then I say that "even in the worst drafts, there are always about 7 impact players and they do not all go in the first round." The draft is a crap shoot.
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Jun 1, 2011 12:00:08 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 1, 2011 12:00:08 GMT -5
^^Really do think that Miami will stand pat. Let It Bleed, they don't have cap space. That won't be changing any time soon. And in fact, that probably will get worse with the new collective bargaining agreement. So they're not going to sign anyone. They've got no assets to trade, and while the Bulls at least have some draft picks (whether they're worth anything or not), the Heat used their drafts picks in sign and trades. Centers don't grow on trees. If they did, everyone would have one. It's the reason that there's always interest in Shaq. The centers market is dead. To even get a good one, or even a decent one, you have to either sign one (which is out the question for the Heat), or you have to do what The Bulls did with Joakim Noah. Draft them, nurture them, and then hope they grow into something. The Heat might get a PG. But even that will be somewhat problematic because again, they have no cap space, draft picks, or assets which are trade able. There's a reason the Heat have Bibby. Because they couldn't afford anyone else, and that was the best they could trade for with their limited assets. This is the team that they have, and will have. Don't get me wrong, a few players will leave, as usual. But there won't be any significant upgrades at any position for Miami. I just don't see how they make any moves. Any good center say like a Tyson Chandler will have to take a major pay cut to play there. Especially, after the new collective bargaining agreement. This isn't me being a fan of anyone, this just me looking that the facts of the Heat's financial situation. No trade assets, no draft picks, no money under the cap. Those aren't opinions, those are facts. well supposedly, the Heat are thinking of signing Greg Oden. taking a chance on Oden is more productive than someone like Ilguaskas not even playing at all. the Heat will do something, and like i said, they're only gonna get better. I remember Oden. I didn't feel good about him coming out of college. Didn't think he could stay healthy. I was on the Kevin Durant band wagon on day one. I might one of the few people who just didn't think that he would be anything. Still don't think that he'll be anything. 2 micro fracture surgeries. And can;t stay healthy. And honestly Let It Bleed, when you're saying "they're going after Greg Oden this offseason." Doesn't that show you, just how limited the Heat's options are?
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Jun 1, 2011 12:01:19 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 1, 2011 12:01:19 GMT -5
And when it comes to drafts, it's too hard to judge. I remember 2009, when everyone was saying that everyone after Blake Griffin wasn't worth anyone's times. Players drafted in that draft: Darren Collison, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry, and Tyreke Evans. Same thing with 2007, when everyone was saying "after Oden and Durant, it will be a bad draft." Players drafted after them: Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Glen Davis, and Marc Gasol. There aren't obviously good picks in this draft, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good players. Drafting isn't an exact science. That's why there are busts. And that's why there are surprises in the draft. So when some are saying that Cleveland will be the only one who benefits, then I say that "even in the worst drafts, there are always about 7 impact players and they do not all go in the first round." The draft is a crap shoot. yeah, the draft is a gamble but this year's draft is especially with the lockout next year. i like how college players are staying in school for 'the sake of staying in school' when everyone really knows why they're staying in school.
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Jun 1, 2011 12:02:53 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 1, 2011 12:02:53 GMT -5
well supposedly, the Heat are thinking of signing Greg Oden. taking a chance on Oden is more productive than someone like Ilguaskas not even playing at all. the Heat will do something, and like i said, they're only gonna get better. I remember Oden. I didn't feel good about him coming out of college. Didn't think he could stay healthy. I was on the Kevin Durant band wagon on day one. I might one of the few people who just didn't think that he would be anything. Still don't think that he'll be anything. 2 micro fracture surgeries. And can;t stay healthy. And honestly Let It Bleed, when you're saying "they're going after Greg Oden this offseason." Doesn't that show you, just how limited the Heat's options are? yeah, it shows their limits but they're doing something. they're going to improve in the offseason, that's going to happen.
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Jun 1, 2011 12:05:00 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 1, 2011 12:05:00 GMT -5
And when it comes to drafts, it's too hard to judge. I remember 2009, when everyone was saying that everyone after Blake Griffin wasn't worth anyone's times. Players drafted in that draft: Darren Collison, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry, and Tyreke Evans. Same thing with 2007, when everyone was saying "after Oden and Durant, it will be a bad draft." Players drafted after them: Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Glen Davis, and Marc Gasol. There aren't obviously good picks in this draft, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good players. Drafting isn't an exact science. That's why there are busts. And that's why there are surprises in the draft. So when some are saying that Cleveland will be the only one who benefits, then I say that "even in the worst drafts, there are always about 7 impact players and they do not all go in the first round." The draft is a crap shoot. yeah, the draft is a gamble but this year's draft is especially with the lockout next year. i like how college players are staying in school for 'the sake of staying in school' when everyone really knows why they're staying in school. Yeah. It's nice that certain players are staying in school. The only reason that people are saying that this will be a bad draft is because there aren't the obvious picks there. This year you have to work and be great at your scouting. There are impact players. And it would not surprise me if we look back on this draft a year or two later and realize, "hey there were about 5-7 really good players in this one." It's the nature of the beast.
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Jun 1, 2011 12:05:55 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 1, 2011 12:05:55 GMT -5
I remember Oden. I didn't feel good about him coming out of college. Didn't think he could stay healthy. I was on the Kevin Durant band wagon on day one. I might one of the few people who just didn't think that he would be anything. Still don't think that he'll be anything. 2 micro fracture surgeries. And can;t stay healthy. And honestly Let It Bleed, when you're saying "they're going after Greg Oden this offseason." Doesn't that show you, just how limited the Heat's options are? yeah, it shows their limits but they're doing something. they're going to improve in the offseason, that's going to happen. They'll definitely improve. But it won't be because of off season moves. It will be because they'll be a better team and more use to each other.
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Jun 1, 2011 12:08:18 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 1, 2011 12:08:18 GMT -5
yeah, the draft is a gamble but this year's draft is especially with the lockout next year. i like how college players are staying in school for 'the sake of staying in school' when everyone really knows why they're staying in school. Yeah. It's nice that certain players are staying in school. The only reason that people are saying that this will be a bad draft is because there aren't the obvious picks there. This year you have to work and be great at your scouting. There are impact players. And it would not surprise me if we look back on this draft a year or two later and realize, "hey there were about 5-7 really good players in this one." It's the nature of the beast. we'll see. there's always surprises. i thought Kemba Walker would be more highly-touted. he's a gamer but he is small, i guess.
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Jun 1, 2011 12:12:44 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 1, 2011 12:12:44 GMT -5
Yeah. It's nice that certain players are staying in school. The only reason that people are saying that this will be a bad draft is because there aren't the obvious picks there. This year you have to work and be great at your scouting. There are impact players. And it would not surprise me if we look back on this draft a year or two later and realize, "hey there were about 5-7 really good players in this one." It's the nature of the beast. we'll see.s always surprises. i thought Kemba Walker would be more highly-touted. he's a gamer but he is small, i guess. t I like Kemba Walker a lot. I think Jimmer Fridette might be a JJ Reddick type player. I really like Darius Morris. And I think either one of the Morris twins (either Marcus or Markieff). Shelvin Mack too. Another thing is expect a lot International players to be taken. I like the fact that there seems to be a lot more Juniors and seniors coming out in this draft, than usual. Those tend to be steadier players, and better players when it comes to getting use to the NBA.
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Jun 1, 2011 13:37:23 GMT -5
Post by thuperthonic on Jun 1, 2011 13:37:23 GMT -5
the Heat are probably gonna go on a Bulls like 90's championship run. especially when considering they're only gonna get better. i don't know if they'll get 6 but they'll probably get more than three.
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Jun 5, 2011 17:09:39 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 5, 2011 17:09:39 GMT -5
i'm still picking the Heat in 5.
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Jun 5, 2011 23:33:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 23:33:12 GMT -5
The refs blow another one. Brilliant! And this thing is going atleast six LIB.
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Jun 6, 2011 8:57:57 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Jun 6, 2011 8:57:57 GMT -5
You think the refs blew that one? Dallas got all kinds of bullshit calls at the end of the game. Dirk shot something like 6 straight free throws in the last couple minutes. I was shocked. It looked like they wanted Dallas to win. That last loose ball foul was complete b.s. I doubt Dallas would've been as close as they were if not for the refs.
Dirk is getting absolutely no help. He's looking like Kobe from 06, only more unstoppable. Mavs better hope Lebron keeps playing all passive. If both he and Wade show up in game 4, this series is over.
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Jun 9, 2011 11:40:46 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 9, 2011 11:40:46 GMT -5
i'm still picking the Heat in 5.
but seriously, 2 of the next 3 games are at Miami, i'll go with those odds.
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Jun 9, 2011 11:49:37 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 9, 2011 11:49:37 GMT -5
i'm still picking the Heat in 5. but seriously, 2 of the next 3 games are at Miami, i'll go with those odds. Will be interesting. If there's one thing that scares me if I'm a Miami fan, it's the fact that Dallas has not played a good game yet, and it's 2-2. This really should have been a sweep already, yet it's 2-2.
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Jun 9, 2011 11:57:37 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 9, 2011 11:57:37 GMT -5
i'm still picking the Heat in 5. but seriously, 2 of the next 3 games are at Miami, i'll go with those odds. Will be interesting. If there's one thing that scares me if I'm a Miami fan, it's the fact that Dallas has not played a good game yet, and it's 2-2. This really should have been a sweep already, yet it's 2-2. the Mavs haven't played a good game yet because the Heat haven't allowed them too. sorry JitKenson, but that's true.
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Jun 9, 2011 12:00:12 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 9, 2011 12:00:12 GMT -5
Will be interesting. If there's one thing that scares me if I'm a Miami fan, it's the fact that Dallas has not played a good game yet, and it's 2-2. This really should have been a sweep already, yet it's 2-2. the Mavs haven't played a good game yet because the Heat haven't allowed them too. sorry JitKenson, but that's true. And yet it's 2-2. Doesn't matter what the Heat have or have not allowed the Mavs to do, in the end the series is tied. The Heat have kept the Mavs in a series that they probably shouldn't be in. And the longer you keep a team in it, the more hope they get. The more hope they get, the more they might actually believe that they can win. And start playing like it. I'm not saying that the hit will lose, but I am saying that the Heat are in a bit more trouble than some are willing to accept. To me, the Heat have to win tonight. Or they'll be down 3-2, against a team that knows that they can take 1 in Miami.
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Jun 9, 2011 12:06:35 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 9, 2011 12:06:35 GMT -5
the Mavs haven't played a good game yet because the Heat haven't allowed them too. sorry JitKenson, but that's true. And yet it's 2-2. Doesn't matter what the Heat have or have not allowed the Mavs to do, in the end the series is tied. The Heat have kept the Mavs in a series that they probably shouldn't be in. And the longer you keep a team in it, the more hope they get. The more hope they get, the more they might actually believe that they can win. And start playing like it. i simply stated why the Mavs haven't had a good game, i didn't say they couldn't win. you could easily say the Heat haven't had a good game. don't go all gdforever 'im arguing for the sake of arguing' on me, spaneli.
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Jun 9, 2011 12:09:40 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 9, 2011 12:09:40 GMT -5
And yet it's 2-2. Doesn't matter what the Heat have or have not allowed the Mavs to do, in the end the series is tied. The Heat have kept the Mavs in a series that they probably shouldn't be in. And the longer you keep a team in it, the more hope they get. The more hope they get, the more they might actually believe that they can win. And start playing like it. i simply stated why the Mavs haven't had a good game, i didn't say they couldn't win. you could easily say the Heat haven't had a good game. don't go all gdforever 'im arguing for the sake of arguing' on me, spaneli. I'd call games 1 and 2 good games. Even though they blew game 2. They stilled played a good game and were up 15 in the fourth. If they'd had actually given a crap in the last 5 minutes, this series would be over. The Heat have played good games, and have squandered them. Unless you're terming a good game as in everyone in the big 3 playing amazingly great and them blowing someone out. Not trying to argue just for the sake of argument. I'm just making a small point.
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Jun 9, 2011 12:11:58 GMT -5
Post by Les Grossman on Jun 9, 2011 12:11:58 GMT -5
i simply stated why the Mavs haven't had a good game, i didn't say they couldn't win. you could easily say the Heat haven't had a good game. don't go all gdforever 'im arguing for the sake of arguing' on me, spaneli. I'd call games 1 and 2 good games. Even though they blew game 2. They stilled played a good game and were up 15 in the fourth. If they'd had actually given a crap in the last 5 minutes, this series would be over. The Heat have played good games, and have squandered them. Unless you're terming a good game as in everyone in the big 3 playing amazingly great and them blowing someone out. i call a good game, not blowing it.
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Jun 9, 2011 13:37:14 GMT -5
Post by thuperthonic on Jun 9, 2011 13:37:14 GMT -5
If there's one thing that scares me if I'm a Miami fan, it's the fact that Dallas has not played a good game yet, and it's 2-2. This really should have been a sweep already, yet it's 2-2. A big 'if,' seeing as how there aren't any...
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Jun 9, 2011 17:52:44 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2011 17:52:44 GMT -5
If Dallas win tonight, then this is going 7 and its a toss up for the winner. If Miami wins tonight you can call it. Dallas cannot win two in a row in Miami unless Wade dies of a food poisoning.
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Jun 9, 2011 22:53:01 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 9, 2011 22:53:01 GMT -5
3-2
Said it earlier today, Miami had to win tonight. Even going home, if I'm a Miami fan, I'm scared. Because Miami have kept a team in it, who quite frankly shouldn't be in it. And now they believe. They have already taken a game at Miami, and they believe that they can do it again. The Mavs are a team that have come back time and again, and they're not afraid of the Heat.
The Mavs finally played a good game tonight, their first of the finals. They took advantage of the shots that have been there all series. Miami is a good defensive team, but they have left a lot of shots out there for the Mavs. And tonight the Mavs finally took advantage of them. The Mavs will continue to get those shots, because Miami's defense is made to give up those shots. Scary thing if you're Miami is that, they actually shot almost lights out. They scored over 100 points, and didn't win.
Like I said, now you have a team going in confident, that's not afraid, into a place that they have won before in, and a place thay they very well could win again in. Miami needed this game. Not saying that Miami can't win both games at home, but they did need this game. The Mavs are the most dangerous team that one can find right now, "an underdog team that believes they can win."
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Jun 9, 2011 22:53:17 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Jun 9, 2011 22:53:17 GMT -5
Well this just got interesting, didn't it. Man this year has been awesome for the NBA.
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Jun 9, 2011 22:54:46 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 9, 2011 22:54:46 GMT -5
Well this just got interesting, didn't it. Man this year has been awesome for the NBA. Yeah, too bad they'll be a lockout.
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