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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 5, 2014 23:59:06 GMT -5
LeBron is such a nearly perfect basketball player. Unselfish, high basketball IQ, he always seems to make the right play. He has an expansive and complete offensive repertoire. An efficient scorer. Nearly unstoppable in the post and he's become a very good shooter. An athletic freak. By the time its all said and done I think he'll be regarded as the best and most complete basketball player in the history of the game. But he's biggest weakness is just bringing it every night with focus and understanding that he cannot let his team lose. I can see why people question his competitiveness when comparing him and MJ, or even Kobe, not that I agree with it. I think he needs to recognize the fact that he has to lead by example sometimes. This Cav's team will need it. Wade and Bosh were more accomplished in 2010. Kyrie and Love have spent their whole careers in the depths of their conferences. Kinda will make you gloomy. I think that as much as they love being the 1 options they understand that James is the rock of this team. James has been through real adversity. 3 Championship losses. He needs to recognize that although his team is young and full energy they will need him to step it up and be "the man" on the team when they are dragging and losing focus. He brings that competitive fire on a regular basis, but everyone has off nights. Its just one game. Not really a big deal. He looked tired and fed up at the end of his heat run. Last night he just looked complacent. Was disappointed in the game and the match ups. Kyrie didn't show up at all last night. LeBron has that A-Rod vibe to him that I just don't like it. Watch out for that in the years to come. I didn't like A-Rod in 1999 or 2003 or 2009 or presently. LeBron also has that knack to have everyone root against him just like A-Rod has. Nobody rooted against Michael Jordan, unless you were a Knicks fan or ran into the Bulls steam roller. Just saying...  |
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Post by Rifles on Nov 6, 2014 6:14:16 GMT -5
LeBron has that A-Rod vibe to him that I just don't like it. Watch out for that in the years to come. I didn't like A-Rod in 1999 or 2003 or 2009 or presently. LeBron also has that knack to have everyone root against him just like A-Rod has. Nobody rooted against Michael Jordan, unless you were a Knicks fan or ran into the Bulls steam roller. Just saying... Hmmm...I don't know that I totally agree with that, but I do see where you're coming from. I think Lebron is too team-oriented to be compared to A-Rod, BUT his reputation is taking a hit right now despite how hard ESPN is trying to spin the situation. I think he's sick of being Superman and wants to be more of a sidekick/coach on the floor. He left Miami because he knew he would have to carry the load. I think he joined Cleveland because he figured Kyrie could handle the ball and do some of the heavy lifting while he just sort of cruised along and got his stats in an even more efficient manner. I think he just wanted it to be as easy as possible. Can I blame him for that? I dunno, but I thought he'd be a little smarter and realize it will take a while for it all to work. He seems to want it now so he's kind of pouting in the corner wanting them to just figure it out right away. His effort has been pretty suspect so far. His first few years in Miami he had MJ levels of focus and energy. Now he just looks lazy until he decides to flip the switch. I think he might be surprised how the public and his teammates handle all this. I can already see the tide turning a bit against him. He thinks he has all the answers now that he's won a couple, but I don't know that these Cavs are a lock for success now or in the future. |
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Nov 6, 2014 10:19:15 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Nov 6, 2014 10:19:15 GMT -5
By the time its all said and done the Cavs will win a chip. I'm sure of it. Its just gonna take time to jell, even LeBron has a learning curve. The ESPN/sports media hype up and tear down cycle is really old. ESPN like the rest of our media is completely sensational. I can't take anyone serious on there. Reading and watching it at this point coming from a serious sports fan perspective just makes you dumber. I can't believe some of these NBA reporters have journalism jobs.
I see some of the points made about A-Rod and LBJ but I think James isn't a lying dick about stuff.
I'm sure everyone on the Cavs knew this would take a little while with all the adjustments people have to make. I mean their coach has coached 4 NBA games.
Last night LeBron showed up more consistently. Did just about everything you could do to come back and win the game in the 4th. Everyone is starting to target Kyrie now. He hasn't assisted in 7 quarters which is troubling to a degree but at least he went out there and balled his ass off. Good idea to move Waiters to the bench. Him and Thompson are the start of a solid second unit. The Cavs need a legit big. I'll worry about them more if/when Varejao gets injured. After what happened with the Heat you'd think the public would learn. It's a LONG nba season. 82 games this as bad as this team's gonna be. Only have upwards to go.
I love watching Golden State. Curry just might be the most exciting player in the NBA.. Crazy to think that a top 5-7 player in the NBA went to Davidson. He's like a video game. Really like just about every player on that team.
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Nov 6, 2014 10:58:07 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Nov 6, 2014 10:58:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree on ESPN tho i do enjoy watching First Take, moreso for the personalities of Stephen A and Skip and less for the analysis. You constantly find yourself going "come on...its ONE game" yet all the pundits continue to be so reactionary. It's weird and makes them all look really dumb.
I don't agree that the Cavs are guaranteed to win a title though - not this year or the next or the next and the 2 main reasons for me are coaching and defense. What if Blatt can't coach in the NBA? Kyrie and Kevin Love are great players, but they don't play defense worth a damn. Varejao is alright but more of a pest/offensive rebounder than a defensive guy. I think they can definitely figure it out and be a good to great team, but I'm not totally sold.
Off the top of my head and not taking injuries into play, I'd put the following teams above them: Spurs, Warriors, Bulls, Mavs, OKC. I don't buy the Rockets because Harden plays no defense and Dwight doesn't have the heart when it matters.
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Nov 6, 2014 11:05:40 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2014 11:05:40 GMT -5
I guess what I'm trying to say is a guy like Jordan made everyone unite and pull for him. On the flip side, people unite to root against LeBron at all times. He's not that likable of a guy for whatever reason. People loathe him. Sorta like A-Rod, who was a fucking machine of a baseball player. Was gonna break all the records at one point.
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Nov 6, 2014 11:07:16 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 6, 2014 11:07:16 GMT -5
The Heat struggled in Lebron's first year in Miami.
Just saying.
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Nov 6, 2014 11:10:12 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 6, 2014 11:10:12 GMT -5
I guess what I'm trying to say is a guy like Jordan made everyone unite and pull for him. On the flip side, people unite to root against LeBron at all times. He's not that likable of a guy for whatever reason. People loathe him. Sorta like A-Rod, who was a fucking machine of a baseball player. Was gonna break all the records at one point. I don't think anyone hates Lebron anymore, not even Heat fans, really. They have two championships because of him and probably won't win anymore anytime soon. God bless. |
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Nov 6, 2014 11:13:44 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2014 11:13:44 GMT -5
I guess what I'm trying to say is a guy like Jordan made everyone unite and pull for him. On the flip side, people unite to root against LeBron at all times. He's not that likable of a guy for whatever reason. People loathe him. Sorta like A-Rod, who was a fucking machine of a baseball player. Was gonna break all the records at one point. I don't think anyone hates Lebron anymore, not even Heat fans, really. They have two championships because of him and probably won't win anymore anytime soon. God bless. Walk into any bar in America during the NBA playoffs, everyone is rooting against LeBron. It's the main reason he can never be Jordan. People just don't like him. It was the same with A-Rod 10-12 years ago (and this was BEFORE all his roid problems). |
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Nov 6, 2014 11:21:04 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 6, 2014 11:21:04 GMT -5
I don't think anyone hates Lebron anymore, not even Heat fans, really. They have two championships because of him and probably won't win anymore anytime soon. God bless. Walk into any bar in America during the NBA playoffs, everyone is rooting against LeBron. It's the main reason he can never be Jordan. People just don't like him. It was the same with A-Rod 10-12 years ago (and this was BEFORE all his roid problems). In my mind those playoffs are Lebron during the Miami years. I don't get the vibe people really dislike him. The people of Cleveland hated him. I don't know. I do live in Ohio but I thought everyone was cricket with his move back to Clevealnd and thought it was great besides Heat fans. The Jordan comparisons are getting old. Jordan's the best. Although, I do think Lebron would take Jordan 1 on 1 but who cares. God bless. |
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Nov 6, 2014 11:30:42 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2014 11:30:42 GMT -5
Walk into any bar in America during the NBA playoffs, everyone is rooting against LeBron. It's the main reason he can never be Jordan. People just don't like him. It was the same with A-Rod 10-12 years ago (and this was BEFORE all his roid problems). In my mind those playoffs are Lebron during the Miami years. I don't get the vibe people really dislike him. The people of Cleveland hated him. I don't know. I do live in Ohio but I thought everyone was cricket with his move back to Clevealnd and thought it was great besides Heat fans. The Jordan comparisons are getting old. Jordan's the best. Although, I do think Lebron would take Jordan 1 on 1 but who cares. God bless. Trust me, he was hated as a Cav the first time around too. Probably that has more to do with the constant media hype by ESPN all the time. It def has a backlash effect on casual fans. |
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Post by Cast on Nov 6, 2014 11:39:03 GMT -5
I think the biggest thing is that LeBron and A-Rod just seem like perfect players. If You described LeBron to someone, its like they made him in a lab or he is a greek god or something on the court. His purpose is basketball. People are really jealous of that I think. They go, "If i had all that talent, I wouldn't be losing like that" and so on.
Jordan was an outstanding talent, but I'm not sure that he is the most talented basketball player ever. I think he is one of the most talented basketball players ever but the dude was probably the most fearless, and fierce competitor in ALL of sports. That edge that Jordan brought made people love him. His competitiveness brought out the best in his abilities and his teammates abilities. As a society we love and adore that.
LeBron, on the other hand, is more like the superstar glue guy. Unselfish to a fault, he makes everyone better, supremely talented from a basketball standpoint, and blessed from a physical one, but because he naturally has all these gifts people critique him a bit more. We expect big things from him and we have since he was 16 fucking years old. I think its incredible that LeBron has had the type of career that he has had given all the hype. Shows he has a lot of mental strength. Look at some of the dudes like Sebastian Telfair who were his peers at the time when he was in HS, they haven't really done anything given their hype outta high school. It's hard work to make it in the NBA, let alone become a MVP and champion. He's been the public eye for almost half his life. He's shown cracks at times but his focus and hard work are really admirable. Just gotta pass that to the other guys on the team.
The two biggest things in sports to me are competitiveness and being able to unite a team. Jordan and LeBron both have those two attributes but have different means to an end.
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Nov 6, 2014 11:42:14 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 6, 2014 11:42:14 GMT -5
In my mind those playoffs are Lebron during the Miami years. I don't get the vibe people really dislike him. The people of Cleveland hated him. I don't know. I do live in Ohio but I thought everyone was cricket with his move back to Clevealnd and thought it was great besides Heat fans. The Jordan comparisons are getting old. Jordan's the best. Although, I do think Lebron would take Jordan 1 on 1 but who cares. God bless. Trust me, he was hated as a Cav the first time around too. Probably that has more to do with the constant media hype by ESPN all the time. It def has a backlash effect on casual fans. I guess that makes sense. Oh well, the hate can't be worse than when he was in Miami. People that really follow the game generally like Lebron, I think, and he's not a real prick like Kobe. God bless. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2014 13:46:26 GMT -5
Trust me, he was hated as a Cav the first time around too. Probably that has more to do with the constant media hype by ESPN all the time. It def has a backlash effect on casual fans. I guess that makes sense. Oh well, the hate can't be worse than when he was in Miami. People that really follow the game generally like Lebron, I think, and he's not a real prick like Kobe. God bless. I have to apologize. My distain for Alex Rodriguez is spilling over into the NBA section. My bad. Also, I have a dog named Kobe* and that dog is fucking awesome. Just like the real Kobe.  * Named pre-rape charges. |
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Nov 7, 2014 7:39:13 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Nov 7, 2014 7:39:13 GMT -5
In my mind those playoffs are Lebron during the Miami years. I don't get the vibe people really dislike him. The people of Cleveland hated him. I don't know. I do live in Ohio but I thought everyone was cricket with his move back to Clevealnd and thought it was great besides Heat fans. The Jordan comparisons are getting old. Jordan's the best. Although, I do think Lebron would take Jordan 1 on 1 but who cares. God bless. Trust me, he was hated as a Cav the first time around too. Probably that has more to do with the constant media hype by ESPN all the time. It def has a backlash effect on casual fans. I honestly didnt have an opinion on him either way before he came to the Heat. I understood the hate when he came to Miami but didnt get all the scrutiny his game got. I never saw an athlete dissected so much before. I wonder how the media would have treated Jordan if they had First Take and internet message boards back then. Let It🩸 Go to any article on espn or Bleacher Report and there is definitely a lot of hate out there still for him. My dislike for him has grown since he left. Ive started to notice a lot of the things that I turned a blind eye to as a Heat fan. Im grateful to see one of the best players of all time play probably in his athletic prime play for my team. Im happy for two championships, even though if he showed up in the first final it would have been three, and four straight finals. Thats a run most franchises will never see. I do think the reason he says he left is disingenuous. Did he want to go home? Sure but if they won he would of stayed. He left because of his brand IMO primarily. That's OK he has a right to leave if he wanted to but to claim its all for Cleveland is a ruse. He wasnt going back if Irving wasnt there and if he didnt believe they would get LOve. I do think he owed a little bit more to Riley and Arinson then a phone call 3 minutes before the SI story broke. Making Riley fly all the way out to Vegas when he knew he wasnt staying was a dick move. He did the same to the Cavs the first time but it's not getting the backlash it did before because people hated Miami. He's more popular now than he was in Miami because of the "going home" story but Ive seen some backlash because of the over exposure of it. |
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Nov 7, 2014 8:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 7, 2014 8:22:59 GMT -5
Trust me, he was hated as a Cav the first time around too. Probably that has more to do with the constant media hype by ESPN all the time. It def has a backlash effect on casual fans. I honestly didnt have an opinion on him either way before he came to the Heat. I understood the hate when he came to Miami but didnt get all the scrutiny his game got. I never saw an athlete dissected so much before. I wonder how the media would have treated Jordan if they had First Take and internet message boards back then. Let It🩸 Go to any article on espn or Bleacher Report and there is definitely a lot of hate out there still for him. My dislike for him has grown since he left. Ive started to notice a lot of the things that I turned a blind eye to as a Heat fan. Im grateful to see one of the best players of all time play probably in his athletic prime play for my team. Im happy for two championships, even though if he showed up in the first final it would have been three, and four straight finals. Thats a run most franchises will never see. I do think the reason he says he left is disingenuous. Did he want to go home? Sure but if they won he would of stayed. He left because of his brand IMO primarily. That's OK he has a right to leave if he wanted to but to claim its all for Cleveland is a ruse. He wasnt going back if Irving wasnt there and if he didnt believe they would get LOve. I do think he owed a little bit more to Riley and Arinson then a phone call 3 minutes before the SI story broke. Making Riley fly all the way out to Vegas when he knew he wasnt staying was a dick move. He did the same to the Cavs the first time but it's not getting the backlash it did before because people hated Miami. He's more popular now than he was in Miami because of the "going home" story but Ive seen some backlash because of the over exposure of it. we all know why he left Miami, just like why he left Cleveland the first time, he got sick of carrying the team. Dwayne Wade isn't/wasn't playing the Scottie Pippen role anymore and Lebron didn't have a Scottie Pippen in Cleveland the first time. Now Lebron's best fit is in Cleveland. Maybe it would've worked in Miami this season, but he would probably have about the same workload. He is getting older and looks about 50, so... Like I said, I didn't blame him for leaving Cleveland the first time. It's all entertainment, we'll all be dead/die relatively soon, I'm just gonna try to enjoy the ride. I don't have time for haters on blogs like Bleacher Report, it's a waste of time. God bless. |
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Nov 10, 2014 9:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Nov 10, 2014 9:43:47 GMT -5
Best game of the season for Heat. Beat a very good Mavs team. Deng with 30 Bosh and Wade both went 20&10. I do miss the big dunks and breakaways from LeBron but it's fun to watch this team playteam ball.
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Nov 10, 2014 10:20:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 10:20:29 GMT -5
Sorry. But these games just mean nothing to me like the NHL , wake me up when the playoffs roll around because everything THATS done now is for espn top 10 .......when the Spurs can rest people causr the reg season means that little , I can't root or care til may
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Nov 10, 2014 11:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Nov 10, 2014 11:31:20 GMT -5
Sorry. But these games just mean nothing to me like the NHL , wake me up when the playoffs roll around because everything THATS done now is for espn top 10 .......when the Spurs can rest people causr the reg season means that little , I can't root or care til may I don't like the NHL but I agree the regular season is mostly meaningless. I do still enjoy watching the games though. If they wanted to make the games mean more they should shorten the season. |
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Nov 10, 2014 11:33:14 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 10, 2014 11:33:14 GMT -5
Sorry. But these games just mean nothing to me like the NHL , wake me up when the playoffs roll around because everything THATS done now is for espn top 10 .......when the Spurs can rest people causr the reg season means that little , I can't root or care til may I don't like the NHL but I agree the regular season is mostly meaningless. I do still enjoy watching the games though. If they wanted to make the games Newnan more they should shorten the season. Wasn't LeBron into that idea of shortening the season? I'm with kalas, too many teams make the postseason and it runs from late April to mid June. That's insane. I doubt the players would take less money for a shorter season and we already know the owners would never kill revenue producing games from their arenas. |
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Nov 10, 2014 12:42:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 12:42:01 GMT -5
I don't like the NHL but I agree the regular season is mostly meaningless. I do still enjoy watching the games though. If they wanted to make the games Newnan more they should shorten the season. Wasn't LeBron into that idea of shortening the season? I'm with kalas, too many teams make the postseason and it runs from late April to mid June. That's insane. I doubt the players would take less money for a shorter season and we already know the owners would never kill revenue producing games from their arenas. Yep. Lebron was into a 60 game season. The NBA was real good the 50 game strike year. NHL to. There both so loooong you lose touch and it's not like baseball. I hear what Sternumman says it's enjoyable if your a fan of the spectacular ,and I have no problem my with that ,,,but for me and @lennon217 I think you too we are all in types baseball you can be all in But NBA and NHL. If your not a fanatic. It gets tedious ...only my view And I would like to see the heat do well |
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Nov 10, 2014 16:04:46 GMT -5
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Post by Rifles on Nov 10, 2014 16:04:46 GMT -5
I guess i'm in the minority. I really enjoy the regular season, especially the beginning. It does get a bit boring around March-ish just before the playoffs, but how can you not be intrigued with all the storylines going on and the sheer number of good teams? Is Kobe gonna shoot the Lakers out of every game? Will the Cavs become a juggernaut? Will Steph Curry go for 60 tonight? Will the Knicks be god awful all year and will Phil eventually trade Melo like a smart person? Will Derrick Rose be able to play 10 consecutive games at any point in the rest of his career? Will the Spurs be unstoppable again? Will the Thunder miss the playoffs?
There's so much going on this season. I started watching the NBA around like 2001 and I feel like it's actually gotten better each year. Such a great league.
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Nov 10, 2014 16:39:52 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 16:39:52 GMT -5
I guess i'm in the minority. I really enjoy the regular season, especially the beginning. It does get a bit boring around March-ish just before the playoffs, but how can you not be intrigued with all the storylines going on and the sheer number of good teams? Is Kobe gonna shoot the Lakers out of every game? Will the Cavs become a juggernaut? Will Steph Curry go for 60 tonight? Will the Knicks be god awful all year and will Phil eventually trade Melo like a smart person? Will Derrick Rose be able to play 10 consecutive games at any point in the rest of his career? Will the Spurs be unstoppable again? Will the Thunder miss the playoffs? There's so much going on this season. I started watching the NBA around like 2001 and I feel like it's actually gotten better each year. Such a great league. Simple you can not be as intrigued cause it's to damn long , as Lebron thinks as well , you get better quality games when there is more urgency , pop wouldn't rest his guys in a 50 game season because a prolonged losing streak could effect there seeding , not knocking you for enjoying , and a lot do , I've been watching NHL and NBA since 70 alwAys got bored , midway thru. It's too long imo. Always will be when a p,ay off ends in June and training camp starts in SEPT that's too long,,,, imo , mind you that DONT make me commisioner lol |
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Nov 10, 2014 17:14:34 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Nov 10, 2014 17:14:34 GMT -5
Nah. Everything is getting shortened nowadays because no one can stand to pay attention to anything long enough to really enjoy it. I like that the season is long and now the offseason is pretty interesting with all the free agency stuff and social media scandals haha.
Mind you, I wouldn't be averse to them shortening the season, but obviously the financial sacrifice involved will never allow that.
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Nov 10, 2014 17:24:11 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 17:24:11 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree with you more .....take the BPL it's season is 9 months but only 38 LEAUGE games .....and they ALL COUNT. it's not that people can't pay attention. There are too many throw away games and the players are worn out come playoffs and you get some injuries you would not get ......anyway it DONT matter as money won't allow ,, but I would enjoy it more if it were less ,like the
Edit : perfect example. Does the world need the Knicks against say the nuggets in February ?? Nobody cares and the game is not a conference game , so not needed don't mean we can't pay attention it's just no need to ......anything good , catch on sports center. But QPR vs west brom could mean relaxation it's needed and with only 38 it's VITAL. JMO
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Nov 10, 2014 21:28:43 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Nov 10, 2014 21:28:43 GMT -5
They are never gonna do it but a 60 game season stretched out over the same amount of time would be ideal. The Heat have played only 7 games so far but all but one have been back to back. Spread the games out w/ almost no back to backs and the players would be playing much harder and I'd assume get injured less.
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