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Post by Sternumman on May 31, 2014 22:52:04 GMT -5
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May 31, 2014 23:27:04 GMT -5
Post by jakob61907 on May 31, 2014 23:27:04 GMT -5
Spurs in 6 for the finals
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May 31, 2014 23:42:36 GMT -5
Post by Cast on May 31, 2014 23:42:36 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see the finals fold out. There are two legacies on the line.
Winning for the Spurs would be a nice final sendoff for the Duncan, Manu, and Parker era. They have been one of the most consistent organizations in the NBA. Sure this finals in their first opportunity to repeat but if you put together a Win/Loss total for ever team each season I beat the Spurs would be up there. Gotta respect these guys it'll be fun to see them give everything they got because of last year's failure.
Winning for the Heat would put them in the company of legendary teams. It is also kind of an end of a chapter. Some of these guys are gone after this year and it'll be interesting to see where the Heat go next win or lose this series.
It is hard to bet against who has the best player but this series will be interesting. It would have been great to see a rematch of OKC and Heat because it would have been hell of entertaining. Like the Pacers, who are a few steps behind contending, it seems OKC that about a step away. Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka still have room to grow but they need a slightly better supporting cast. Fisher, if this is his last game props to him. A winner.
It is really hard pick a winner in this final series: On one hand you have an aging Duncan who is among if not the greatest PF of all time against someone like LeBron, who is emerging, peaking and striving to become perhaps the greatest of all time. I hope it will be a hell of a ride.
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 7:08:41 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see the finals fold out. There are two legacies on the line. Winning for the Spurs would be a nice final sendoff for the Duncan, Manu, and Parker era. They have been one of the most consistent organizations in the NBA. Sure this finals in their first opportunity to repeat but if you put together a Win/Loss total for ever team each season I beat the Spurs would be up there. Gotta respect these guys it'll be fun to see them give everything they got because of last year's failure. Winning for the Heat would put them in the company of legendary teams. It is also kind of an end of a chapter. Some of these guys are gone after this year and it'll be interesting to see where the Heat go next win or lose this series. It is hard to bet against who has the best player but this series will be interesting. It would have been great to see a rematch of OKC and Heat because it would have been hell of entertaining. Like the Pacers, who are a few steps behind contending, it seems OKC that about a step away. Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka still have room to grow but they need a slightly better supporting cast. Fisher, if this is his last game props to him. A winner. It is really hard pick a winner in this final series: On one hand you have an aging Duncan who is among if not the greatest PF of all time against someone like LeBron, who is emerging, peaking and striving to become perhaps the greatest of all time. I hope it will be a hell of a ride. Most wins by an NBA player, last 10 years: 1) Tim Duncan, 622. 2) LeBron James, 621. Only 9 teams have won the title since 1980 and with OKC losing it remains that way Lakers-10 Bulls -6 Spurs-4 Celtics-4 Heat-3 Pistons -3 Rockets -2 Mavericks-1 76ers -1 Not a lot of parity in the NBA Tim Duncan's legacy is cemented as the greatest PF of all time. Four championships, six Western Conference championships, and a chance for a fifth NBA title. Lebron's legacy is the one on the line. Getting to four straight finals is not enough. He is 2w and 2L in his career in the finals. It doesn't matter that Magic lost four times in the finals he's held unfairly to the Jordan standard. It doesn't matter that Jordan got bounced in the first round three times all that matters to people is 6-0 in the finals. In his first finals LeBron was just too young playing an experienced team with no supporting cast of his own. In 2011 he just disappeared. The Heat should have won that series and Wade would have been the MVP. His drop off from the regular season to the finals is something I still can't explain. A three peat will cement this team and LeBron on the greatest of all time lists. The only teams to three peat in the modern era are the Bulls 2x's and the Shaq Kobe Lakers. Fisher looked like he was finished. He was truly heart broken. One of the best role players in the playoffs I've ever watched. Never a star. Knew his role on the team. Always a professional. I'd be frustrated if I was an OKC fan. Durrant disappeared at the end of the game. Westbrook is great. He gets to the rim like nobody I've ever seen. He's just a little too wild at times, turns the ball over too much, and shoots a little too much. He's a shooting guard in a point guards body. He has the killer instinct Durrant lacks but needs to work on his shooting. If the Heat can steal one of the first two in SA I say Heat in six. Otherwise Heat in seven. |
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 8:17:27 GMT -5
2013 NBA Finals Series Recap: Spurs vs Heat
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 9:10:28 GMT -5
It's all about home court ...,spurs 7
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Jun 1, 2014 11:53:32 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 11:53:32 GMT -5
It's all about home court ..., With any two other teams I might agree but neither of the these teams are afraid to play on the road. They both won a game on the road last year each. I think the series comes down to Tony Parker's ankle, the Heats ability to defend threes, and Bosh defending Duncan. |
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Jun 1, 2014 12:01:10 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Jun 1, 2014 12:01:10 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see the finals fold out. There are two legacies on the line. Winning for the Spurs would be a nice final sendoff for the Duncan, Manu, and Parker era. They have been one of the most consistent organizations in the NBA. Sure this finals in their first opportunity to repeat but if you put together a Win/Loss total for ever team each season I beat the Spurs would be up there. Gotta respect these guys it'll be fun to see them give everything they got because of last year's failure. Winning for the Heat would put them in the company of legendary teams. It is also kind of an end of a chapter. Some of these guys are gone after this year and it'll be interesting to see where the Heat go next win or lose this series. It is hard to bet against who has the best player but this series will be interesting. It would have been great to see a rematch of OKC and Heat because it would have been hell of entertaining. Like the Pacers, who are a few steps behind contending, it seems OKC that about a step away. Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka still have room to grow but they need a slightly better supporting cast. Fisher, if this is his last game props to him. A winner. It is really hard pick a winner in this final series: On one hand you have an aging Duncan who is among if not the greatest PF of all time against someone like LeBron, who is emerging, peaking and striving to become perhaps the greatest of all time. I hope it will be a hell of a ride. Most wins by an NBA player, last 10 years: 1) Tim Duncan, 622. 2) LeBron James, 621. Only 9 teams have won the title since 1980 and with OKC losing it remains that way Lakers-10 Bulls -6 Spurs-4 Celtics-4 Heat-3 Pistons -3 Rockets -2 Mavericks-1 76ers -1 Not a lot of parity in the NBA Tim Duncan's legacy is cemented as the greatest PF of all time. Four championships, six Western Conference championships, and a chance for a fifth NBA title. Lebron's legacy is the one on the line. Getting to four straight finals is not enough. He is 2w and 2L in his career in the finals. It doesn't matter that Magic lost four times in the finals he's held unfairly to the Jordan standard. It doesn't matter that Jordan got bounced in the first round three times all that matters to people is 6-0 in the finals. In his first finals LeBron was just too young playing an experienced team with no supporting cast of his own. In 2011 he just disappeared. The Heat should have won that series and Wade would have been the MVP. His drop off from the regular season to the finals is something I still can't explain. A three peat will cement this team and LeBron on the greatest of all time lists. The only teams to three peat in the modern era are the Bulls 2x's and the Shaq Kobe Lakers. Fisher looked like he was finished. He was truly heart broken. One of the best role players in the playoffs I've ever watched. Never a star. Knew his role on the team. Always a professional. I'd be frustrated if I was an OKC fan. Durrant disappeared at the end of the game. Westbrook is great. He gets to the rim like nobody I've ever seen. He's just a little too wild at times, turns the ball over too much, and shoots a little too much. He's a shooting guard in a point guards body. He has the killer instinct Durrant lacks but needs to work on his shooting. If the Heat can steal one of the first two in SA I say Heat in six. Otherwise Heat in seven. No doubt that Duncan has cemented his legacy as a PF but if he wins a championship this year he will be remembered as the best player of his era. The Duncan/Kobe debate for best player over the course of the past 10-15 years is still very much in debate because Kobe has one more ring than Duncan. You can say he rode Shaq and (to a lesser degree) Pau's coattails but Duncan has always had an outcasting cast that revolves around and through him. Thing that people need to understand is that Jordan and LeBron are two different players in two different eras with way different circumstances. Sure his finals record is 2-2 and people rave about Jordan's 6-0 record but the fact is LeBron is just getting started and has had a much different path to his career. LeBron's career or anyone else's career for that matter will probably never identically match Jordan's and it just isn't fair to compare, nor does it make sense. I'm sure people would still argue that Jordan is the best of all time even if LeBron ends his career with a 7-2 finals records. 2011 is the only real blemish on James Finals appearances because he just disappeared but that was the first season team that team was together and they still hadn't found the right pieces to complement James and Wade. Plus that Mav's team was pretty underrated in terms of recent Championship teams. Dirk is an all time great who wanted his and he was complimented with excellent roles players in Terry, Kidd, Chandler, Marion, and Barea. The media coverage today and the pressure that Lebron has been put on him is nothing that Jordan ever felt. Dude has had media hyping him up and tearing him down ever since he was 16 years old. A side from a few instances, he has handled himself remarkably despite all the outside noise. Society in general is just completely different. LeBron will carve out his own unique legacy that will be unfairly compared to other players but I still say when it is all said an done, if he can continue to play like he has and win he will go down as the greatest all around basketball player that has ever lived and this is coming from a guy who lives where Jordan played college ball and who adores the city of Chicago and all that Jordan accomplished. |
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 12:39:56 GMT -5
No doubt that Duncan has cemented his legacy as a PF but if he wins a championship this year he will be remembered as the best player of his era. The Duncan/Kobe debate for best player over the course of the past 10-15 years is still very much in debate because Kobe has one more ring than Duncan. You can say he rode Shaq and (to a lesser degree) Pau's coattails but Duncan has always had an outcasting cast that revolves around and through him. Thing that people need to understand is that Jordan and LeBron are two different players in two different eras with way different circumstances. Sure his finals record is 2-2 and people rave about Jordan's 6-0 record but the fact is LeBron is just getting started and has had a much different path to his career. LeBron's career or anyone else's career for that matter will probably never identically match Jordan's and it just isn't fair to compare, nor does it make sense. I'm sure people would still argue that Jordan is the best of all time even if LeBron ends his career with a 7-2 finals records.
2011 is the only real blemish on James Finals appearances because he just disappeared but that was the first season team that team was together and they still hadn't found the right pieces to complement James and Wade. Plus that Mav's team was pretty underrated in terms of recent Championship teams. Dirk is an all time great who wanted his and he was complimented with excellent roles players in Terry, Kidd, Chandler, Marion, and Barea. The media coverage today and the pressure that Lebron has been put on him is nothing that Jordan ever felt. Dude has had media hyping him up and tearing him down ever since he was 16 years old. A side from a few instances, he has handled himself remarkably despite all the outside noise. Society in general is just completely different. LeBron will carve out his own unique legacy that will be unfairly compared to other players but I still say when it is all said an done, if he can continue to play like he has and win he will go down as the greatest all around basketball player that has ever lived and this is coming from a guy who lives where Jordan played college ball and who adores the city of Chicago and all that Jordan accomplished. I'm sure they will too. Jordan robbed us of two years so a lot of people say they would've won 8 straight. That Rockets team was really good in the playoffs and I don't know who would've guarded Hakeem. In the Kobe/Duncan debate it's hard to pick a clear winner since they play completely different positions but I'd go with Duncan. Duncan is a 3x Finals MVP to Kobe's two and the second one a lot of people argue should've went to Pau. I respect Kobe. He's arguably the second best SG to ever play the game ( I'm biased and believe Wade is) but he's never been very efficient. The best he's ever shot in one season is .469%. He's never made any of his teammates better and instead of swallowing his pride and wanting to be The Man he pushed Shaq out when they still could've won a few more championships together. The 2011 Heat team was pretty bad outside of Wade, LeBron, and Bosh. That team had Big Z, Joel Anthony, the corpse of Mike Bibby, and Eddie House. They would've won if LeBron showed up but the Mavs had the better team. It it definitely would be interesting to see how Jordan would've been treated by the media in this era. Not getting out of the first round, repeatedly losing to the pistons, gambling, passing to Kerr and Paxton at the end of games, the push off on Russell to win. |
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Post by Cast on Jun 1, 2014 13:04:31 GMT -5
No doubt that Duncan has cemented his legacy as a PF but if he wins a championship this year he will be remembered as the best player of his era. The Duncan/Kobe debate for best player over the course of the past 10-15 years is still very much in debate because Kobe has one more ring than Duncan. You can say he rode Shaq and (to a lesser degree) Pau's coattails but Duncan has always had an outcasting cast that revolves around and through him. Thing that people need to understand is that Jordan and LeBron are two different players in two different eras with way different circumstances. Sure his finals record is 2-2 and people rave about Jordan's 6-0 record but the fact is LeBron is just getting started and has had a much different path to his career. LeBron's career or anyone else's career for that matter will probably never identically match Jordan's and it just isn't fair to compare, nor does it make sense. I'm sure people would still argue that Jordan is the best of all time even if LeBron ends his career with a 7-2 finals records.
2011 is the only real blemish on James Finals appearances because he just disappeared but that was the first season team that team was together and they still hadn't found the right pieces to complement James and Wade. Plus that Mav's team was pretty underrated in terms of recent Championship teams. Dirk is an all time great who wanted his and he was complimented with excellent roles players in Terry, Kidd, Chandler, Marion, and Barea. The media coverage today and the pressure that Lebron has been put on him is nothing that Jordan ever felt. Dude has had media hyping him up and tearing him down ever since he was 16 years old. A side from a few instances, he has handled himself remarkably despite all the outside noise. Society in general is just completely different. LeBron will carve out his own unique legacy that will be unfairly compared to other players but I still say when it is all said an done, if he can continue to play like he has and win he will go down as the greatest all around basketball player that has ever lived and this is coming from a guy who lives where Jordan played college ball and who adores the city of Chicago and all that Jordan accomplished. I'm sure they will too. Jordan robbed us of two years so a lot of people say they would've won 8 straight. That Rockets team was really good in the playoffs and I don't know who would've guarded Hakeem. In the Kobe/Duncan debate it's hard to pick a clear winner since they play completely different positions but I'd go with Duncan. Duncan is a 3x Finals MVP to Kobe's two and the second one a lot of people argue should've went to Pau. I respect Kobe. He's the arguably the second best SG to ever play the game ( I'm biased and believe Wade is) but he's never been very efficient. The best he's ever shot in one season is .469%. He's never made any of his teammates better and instead of swallowing his pride and wanting to be The Man he pushed Shaq out when they still could've won a few more championships together. The 2011 Heat team was pretty bad outside of Wade, LeBron, and Bosh. That team had Big Z, Joel Anthony, the corpse of Mike Bibby, and Eddie House. They would've won if LeBron showed up but the Mavs had the better team. It it definitely would be interesting to see how Jordan would've been treated by the media in this era. Not getting out of the first round, repeatedly losing to the pistons, gambling, passing to Kerr and Paxton at the end of games, the push off on Russell to win. I'd pick Duncan as well but your bias is showing with picking Wade over Kobe. Wade is more of a team/efficient guy but Kobe is the closest thing we've seen since Jordan in terms of skills and mentality. Kobe played in a different era than Wade before all these advanced stats. A majority of Kobe's prime was in the gunner era filled with guys like AI, T-Mac (who was my favorite player back in those days). Teams relied on high volume scorers back in the early 2000's. A lot of iso and hero ball but Wade is probably the 3rd or 4th best SG of all time which is something to be proud of. Kobe up until this year has been really remarkable. Wade maybe could pass him but Wade still needs to develop his game a bit more (like Kobe did) as he ages and who knows how long those wobbly knees will last. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 1, 2014 15:19:19 GMT -5
i'm picking the Heat in 6.
if the Spurs win the Finals, i think Lebron will end up with the Clippers via a three team trade involving Kevin Love.
cats breeding with dogs, up is down, left is right, total anarchy.
God bless.
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Jun 1, 2014 15:24:53 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 15:24:53 GMT -5
I'd pick Duncan as well but your bias is showing with picking Wade over Kobe. Wade is more of a team/efficient guy but Kobe is the closest thing we've seen since Jordan in terms of skills and mentality. Kobe played in a different era than Wade before all these advanced stats. A majority of Kobe's prime was in the gunner era filled with guys like AI, T-Mac (who was my favorite player back in those days). Teams relied on high volume scorers back in the early 2000's. A lot of iso and hero ball but Wade is probably the 3rd or 4th best SG of all time which is something to be proud of. Kobe up until this year has been really remarkable. Wade maybe could pass him but Wade still needs to develop his game a bit more (like Kobe did) as he ages and who knows how long those wobbly knees will last. Except in the 2006 finals when Wade had the best statistical finals ever. Again Im biased but I'm gonna re-post what I told kalas in Febuary Kobe is a much better 3pt shooter and from the line but on 2's for his career he shoots .483 for his career while Wade shoots .513. Most people would say Kobe s the better shooter but he's only shot 50% from 2's once in his career while Wade has 8 times. You are right Kobe was a gunner. I dont think that is a good thing. Kobe has definitely been more durable though. Unfortunately for Wade the knee surgery he had in college messed it up long term. If I had to chose between the two in their prime. I'd choose Wade any day but I must confess because of his durability Kobe's prime was longer. |
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Jun 1, 2014 16:09:17 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Jun 1, 2014 16:09:17 GMT -5
I'd pick Duncan as well but your bias is showing with picking Wade over Kobe. Wade is more of a team/efficient guy but Kobe is the closest thing we've seen since Jordan in terms of skills and mentality. Kobe played in a different era than Wade before all these advanced stats. A majority of Kobe's prime was in the gunner era filled with guys like AI, T-Mac (who was my favorite player back in those days). Teams relied on high volume scorers back in the early 2000's. A lot of iso and hero ball but Wade is probably the 3rd or 4th best SG of all time which is something to be proud of. Kobe up until this year has been really remarkable. Wade maybe could pass him but Wade still needs to develop his game a bit more (like Kobe did) as he ages and who knows how long those wobbly knees will last. Except in the 2006 finals when Wade had the best statistical finals ever. Again Im biased but I'm gonna re-post what I told kalas in Febuary Kobe is a much better 3pt shooter and from the line but on 2's for his career he shoots .483 for his career while Wade shoots .513. Most people would say Kobe s the better shooter but he's only shot 50% from 2's once in his career while Wade has 8 times. You are right Kobe was a gunner. I dont think that is a good thing. Kobe has definitely been more durable though. Unfortunately for Wade the knee surgery he had in college messed it up long term. If I had to chose between the two in their prime. I'd choose Wade any day but I must confess because of his durability Kobe's prime was longer. No doubt Wade's performance in the 2006 is up there in terms of being of the best of all time and from a stats perspective he averages more blocks and steals than Kobe because Wade is a gambler but Kobe is a better/more consistent overall defender (on ball/off ball). Also Wade has only made 2 all NBA first teams compared to Kobe's 11. Choosing one in their prime would be tough. Wade balled for a good 5-6 years but Kobe's decade long period of consistency is just tough to push aside. Both dudes spent a couple years of there prime on shitty teams but Kobe at one point was considered the best player in the world and that's a tag I don't think Wade has or will ever accomplish. Wade is a better teammate and his stats will be well-rounded by the time he retires because of his willingness step aside to LeBron and at times even Bosh. Whereas Kobe is and will always be a stubborn bastard for better or for worse. |
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Jun 1, 2014 16:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 1, 2014 16:14:17 GMT -5
i like Dwayne Wade but he only plays half the fucking season at this point. if i were Lebron i'd be pissed.
Kobe despite being an asshole is/was great, shoots too much but still great.
God bless.
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Jun 1, 2014 17:24:28 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 17:24:28 GMT -5
Except in the 2006 finals when Wade had the best statistical finals ever. Again Im biased but I'm gonna re-post what I told kalas in Febuary Kobe is a much better 3pt shooter and from the line but on 2's for his career he shoots .483 for his career while Wade shoots .513. Most people would say Kobe s the better shooter but he's only shot 50% from 2's once in his career while Wade has 8 times. You are right Kobe was a gunner. I dont think that is a good thing. Kobe has definitely been more durable though. Unfortunately for Wade the knee surgery he had in college messed it up long term. If I had to chose between the two in their prime. I'd choose Wade any day but I must confess because of his durability Kobe's prime was longer. No doubt Wade's performance in the 2006 is up there in terms of being of the best of all time and from a stats perspective he averages more blocks and steals than Kobe because Wade is a gambler but Kobe is a better/more consistent overall defender (on ball/off ball). Also Wade has only made 2 all NBA first teams compared to Kobe's 11. Choosing one in their prime would be tough. Wade balled for a good 5-6 years but Kobe's decade long period of consistency is just tough to push aside. Both dudes spent a couple years of there prime on shitty teams but Kobe at one point was considered the best player in the world and that's a tag I don't think Wade has or will ever accomplish. Wade is a better teammate and his stats will be well-rounded by the time he retires because of his willingness step aside to LeBron and at times even Bosh. Whereas Kobe is and will always be a stubborn bastard for better or for worse. Wade was the best player in the league in 08-09 and should have won the MVP He led the league in scoring and even though he led Le Bron in PPG, AST, ST, FG% and BLKS they gave the MVP to LeBron because his team had a better record. Plus ALL NBA teams are not the best measure. A lot of the yrs Kobe got his on reputation alone. |
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 17:29:44 GMT -5
i like Dwayne Wade but he only plays half the fucking season at this point. if i were Lebron i'd be pissed. Kobe despite being an asshole is/was great, shoots too much but still great. God bless. He played 2/3 of the season.  Plus I'm sure he rather have him less games in the regular season than being unhealthy and missing time in the playoffs. He's made 4 straight finals w/ Wade I'm sure he's not pissed. |
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Jun 1, 2014 18:44:07 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 1, 2014 18:44:07 GMT -5
i like Dwayne Wade but he only plays half the fucking season at this point. if i were Lebron i'd be pissed. Kobe despite being an asshole is/was great, shoots too much but still great. God bless. He played 2/3 of the season. Plus I'm sure he rather have him less games in the regular season than being unhealthy and missing time in the playoffs. He's made 4 straight finals w/ Wade I'm sure he's not pissed. can we at least agree that the Finals should start before thursday? the Finals are gonna bleed into the World Cup. God bless. |
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 19:24:02 GMT -5
He played 2/3 of the season. Plus I'm sure he rather have him less games in the regular season than being unhealthy and missing time in the playoffs. He's made 4 straight finals w/ Wade I'm sure he's not pissed. can we at least agree that the Finals should start before thursday? the Finals are gonna bleed into the World Cup. God bless. I wont be watching a moment of the WC so it wont affect me but seems like a big oversight to have both at the same time. Are games played that late at night? The Stanley Cup and NBA finals usually overlap too which makes no sense to me either. |
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Post by Cast on Jun 1, 2014 21:25:05 GMT -5
No doubt Wade's performance in the 2006 is up there in terms of being of the best of all time and from a stats perspective he averages more blocks and steals than Kobe because Wade is a gambler but Kobe is a better/more consistent overall defender (on ball/off ball). Also Wade has only made 2 all NBA first teams compared to Kobe's 11. Choosing one in their prime would be tough. Wade balled for a good 5-6 years but Kobe's decade long period of consistency is just tough to push aside. Both dudes spent a couple years of there prime on shitty teams but Kobe at one point was considered the best player in the world and that's a tag I don't think Wade has or will ever accomplish. Wade is a better teammate and his stats will be well-rounded by the time he retires because of his willingness step aside to LeBron and at times even Bosh. Whereas Kobe is and will always be a stubborn bastard for better or for worse. Wade was the best player in the league in 08-09 and should have won the MVP He led the league in scoring and even though he led Le Bron in PPG, AST, ST, FG% and BLKS they gave the MVP to LeBron because his team had a better record. Plus ALL NBA teams are not the best measure. A lot of the yrs Kobe got his on reputation alone. All NBA isn't the best way to measure but it is solid enough. 11 to 2 is a huge difference. Kobe probably got 3-4 (maybe 5) of those because of his legacy but still he crushes Wade regardless. Yeah Wade had a career year (and just an outstanding year in history as well) in 08-09 but LeBron carried the Cavs to a 66-16 record which is just remarkable considering that team really wasn't anything special. One of the biggest things that has knock Wade down is his lack of durability. Sure, he is in his 11th year and his reckless/fearless driving style has done some damage to him but resting 2/3 of the season. Come on, he's no Duncan who has been in the league 1997. He knows where his spots are now (career high in FG % this year) but if he is going to continue to play at an elite level he has to develop his game. He is only 32, the mid/end of his prime. Question is will he age smoothly as other have (Kobe, MJ, ect.), or will he become a shell of himself, or will he retire fairly soon. You're obviously a big Wade fan so there's no point trying to convince you otherwise but this debate has been fun. Nonetheless, its rare to have a nice fleshed out debate  Still Kobe>Wade |
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Jun 1, 2014 22:20:29 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 1, 2014 22:20:29 GMT -5
Wade was the best player in the league in 08-09 and should have won the MVP He led the league in scoring and even though he led Le Bron in PPG, AST, ST, FG% and BLKS they gave the MVP to LeBron because his team had a better record. Plus ALL NBA teams are not the best measure. A lot of the yrs Kobe got his on reputation alone. All NBA isn't the best way to measure but it is solid enough. 11 to 2 is a huge difference. Kobe probably got 3-4 (maybe 5) of those because of his legacy OK so take your maybe 5 give them to Wade and its 6-7 in Wades favor.   |
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Jun 1, 2014 23:17:32 GMT -5
Post by Rain on Jun 1, 2014 23:17:32 GMT -5
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Jun 2, 2014 7:24:05 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 2, 2014 7:24:05 GMT -5
can we at least agree that the Finals should start before thursday? the Finals are gonna bleed into the World Cup. God bless. I wont be watching a moment of the WC so it wont affect me but seems like a big oversight to have both at the same time. Are games played that late at night? The Stanley Cup and NBA finals usually overlap too which makes no sense to me either. Brazil, where the World Cup's being played, is an hour ahead or behind e.s.t., not sure which, so i'm sure some games will be around the same time. God bless. |
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Jun 2, 2014 19:40:42 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 2, 2014 19:40:42 GMT -5
Article from today on Bleacher report on Wade with some interesting facts. bleacherreport.com/articles/2083326-dwyane-wades-legacy-can-no-longer-be-overlooked-entering-2014-nba-finalsOnly three players in NBA history have maintained averages of at least 24 points, five rebounds, six assists and 1.5 steals per game through their first 11 seasons—Bird, James and Wade. Between 2003 and 2010—his first seven seasons in the league—Wade averaged 25.4 points, 4.9 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.8 steals and one block per game. No one in NBA history has matched Wade's production through his first seven seasons. James comes the closest, but he falls just short of his teammate, having recorded 0.9 blocks a night during his first seven years. |
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Plus I'm sure he rather have him less games in the regular season than being unhealthy and missing time in the playoffs. He's made 4 straight finals w/ Wade I'm sure he's not pissed.
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