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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jun 21, 2013 6:12:17 GMT -5
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Jun 23, 2013 10:21:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 10:21:09 GMT -5
@kitjenson Lennon2217. Heard Stephen a smith make a controversial point on first take yet I agree after thinking on it ... He said the Larry bird celtics were a all time great " team" but not a DYNASTY. They never defended their title , after thinking on it I agree 81-84-86 means they were great 84 or 86 I forget which may have been most complete single season team. I remember ( think 86 ) but in basketball and hockey unlike baseball and football where a dynasty is measured on body of work over time , I think he's right they may be most complete single season team I've seen but not winning back 2 back disqualifies them as a dynasty to me as well. No anti New England bias at all , just based on what a dynasty is supposed to mean sustained domination sing.e season titles can't qualify IMO |
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Jun 23, 2013 10:38:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 10:38:01 GMT -5
@kitjenson Lennon2217. Heard Stephen a smith make a controversial point on first take yet I agree after thinking on it ... He said the Larry bird celtics were a all time great " team" but not a DYNASTY. They never defended their title , after thinking on it I agree 81-84-86 means they were great 84 or 86 I forget which may have been most complete single season team. I remember ( think 86 ) but in basketball and hockey unlike baseball and football where a dynasty is measured on body of work over time , I think he's right they may be most complete single season team I've seen but not winning back 2 back disqualifies them as a dynasty to me as well. No anti New England bias at all , just based on what a dynasty is supposed to mean sustained domination sing.e season titles can't qualify IMO Typically in the NBA a dynasty is built around multiple titles over a 3 or 4 year period. Boston took 7 years to win 3 titles, which is really good, but far from being a dynasty. They are a lot like the Spurs in that regard (ironically, both teams had to deal with the Lakers in the interim).... never could win the title when they have the target on their back the next year. Winning back-to-back titles is infinitely more difficult than winning every few years. The NBA is driven by stars, and one great player can keep you in the conversation for years (i.e. Dirk in Dallas.), but it is much more of a challenge to be on top in consecutive seasons. The currently constructed Heat are right there in the dynasty conversation.... 3 straight finals, winning 2 back-to-back. If they manage another finals next year, they are for sure a dynasty. So, I'd agree with the original point as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 10:40:29 GMT -5
@kitjenson Lennon2217. Heard Stephen a smith make a controversial point on first take yet I agree after thinking on it ... He said the Larry bird celtics were a all time great " team" but not a DYNASTY. They never defended their title , after thinking on it I agree 81-84-86 means they were great 84 or 86 I forget which may have been most complete single season team. I remember ( think 86 ) but in basketball and hockey unlike baseball and football where a dynasty is measured on body of work over time , I think he's right they may be most complete single season team I've seen but not winning back 2 back disqualifies them as a dynasty to me as well. No anti New England bias at all , just based on what a dynasty is supposed to mean sustained domination sing.e season titles can't qualify IMO Typically in the NBA a dynasty is built around multiple titles over a 3 or 4 year period. Boston took 7 years to win 3 titles, which is really good, but far from being a dynasty. They are a lot like the Spurs in that regard.... never could win the title when they have the target on their back the next year. Winning back-to-back titles is infinitely more difficult than winning every few years. The NBA is driven by stars, and one great player can keep you in the conversation for years (i.e. Dirk in Dallas.), but it is much more of a challenge to be on top in consecutive seasons. The currently constructed Heat are right there in the dynasty conversation.... 3 straight finals, winning 2 back-to-back. If they manage another finals next year, they are for sure a dynasty. So, I'd agree with the original point as well. Yea , I'm not knocking Boston , I always thought them a dynasty , til I heard smiths rant , and was like , he's right ...and yea the heat I mst admit are in conversation ... I always thought of Boston as a dynasty til now |
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Jun 23, 2013 11:17:49 GMT -5
Post by Rifles on Jun 23, 2013 11:17:49 GMT -5
Nah, I think a dynasty is something a bit more rare than even 3-peating. The Shaq and Kobe Lakers won 3 in a row AND made it to the finals in year 5. 4 finals in 5 years and no one calls them a dynasty. To me, a dynasty refers to greatness over an extended period of time. The 90's Bulls 6 titles in 8 years is dynasty material. I think you have to win like 4 titles in a 5 year span and be a real contender for another 3-4 years around that to be a true 'dynasty'. It's got to be like a 7-8 year run of excellence with at least 4-5 titles.
I would say the Heat could fairly easily do this, but Wade's health is a huge concern going forward. If he was healthy, they could win as long as they felt like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 11:38:10 GMT -5
Nah, I think a dynasty is something a bit more rare than even 3-peating. The Shaq and Kobe Lakers won 3 in a row AND made it to the finals in year 5. 4 finals in 5 years and no one calls them a dynasty. To me, a dynasty refers to greatness over an extended period of time. The 90's Bulls 6 titles in 8 years is dynasty material. I think you have to win like 4 titles in a 5 year span and be a real contender for another 3-4 years around that to be a true 'dynasty'. It's got to be like a 7-8 year run of excellence with at least 4-5 titles. I would say the Heat could fairly easily do this, but Wade's health is a huge concern going forward. If he was healthy, they could win as long as they felt like it. W Good point , very good .... My only disagreement would be as I'm sure you know with expansion the odds of winning like say are so slim , so Jordan's bulls are unquestionably a dynasty as who knows they may have won 8 had he not tried baseball . The rest like the Yankees 4 titles in 5 years in expansion is a dynasty as are the 70 s a's , as great as the Canadians , Yankees and , celtics were pre expansion had they had to run a playoff gauntlet like today I doubt highly they would have racked up those numbers , not a knock just a fact they were assembled were not brioken up and only played respg season and championship round so by today's measures I would say 3 in a row is a dynasty 2 and a run is in discussion ... Football is different with all the teams and playoffs a two year run can be a dynasty now as repeating is very hard . My dynasty's modern era based on what I said , feel free to disagree all post expansion so no Green Bay Football Steelers 70 s -niners 80 s - cowboys 90-s. pats 2000s( football expansion too hard they belong ) Baseball Yanks 96-2000 -A's 72-74. - Reds ? Won two in row 75-76 but were in 2 other World Series debateable I say yes ( reds best team I've seen even without great pitching ) Hockey Canadians 76-79 - islanders- 80 -83 - oilers( 84-90 5 in 7 ). britishlove , dev wings of 90 s great to me no dynasty but when you read lets hear rebuttle I'm open for discussion just don't feel that's a dynasty but they are best team of last 20 years since oilers Basketball Lakers 80 s with a repeat - bulls nuff said - heat starting to get in convo Had to edit looked good typing all jumbled when it came out |
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Jun 23, 2013 14:34:06 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 23, 2013 14:34:06 GMT -5
LeBron can never be Jordan. Wanna know why? Because people everywhere across this country loved Jordan and wanted him to win (unless it was against your team). Since LeBron joined Miami, this whole country roots against them. He will never be loved by the masses. Sure he will be respected but Jordan had both.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 17:09:11 GMT -5
Stephen a smith was ridiculed last month for reporting this .by many NBA in the " know " ..... Oh well give man props. Doc rivers to clippers , man
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Jun 23, 2013 19:51:22 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 23, 2013 19:51:22 GMT -5
 Great pic of Wade pouring champagne on his knees. About the celtics dynasty You cant call them a dynasty when the Lakers went to 9 finals in 12 yrs and won 5 |
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Post by britishlove on Jun 25, 2013 8:39:49 GMT -5
Nah, I think a dynasty is something a bit more rare than even 3-peating. The Shaq and Kobe Lakers won 3 in a row AND made it to the finals in year 5. 4 finals in 5 years and no one calls them a dynasty. To me, a dynasty refers to greatness over an extended period of time. The 90's Bulls 6 titles in 8 years is dynasty material. I think you have to win like 4 titles in a 5 year span and be a real contender for another 3-4 years around that to be a true 'dynasty'. It's got to be like a 7-8 year run of excellence with at least 4-5 titles. I would say the Heat could fairly easily do this, but Wade's health is a huge concern going forward. If he was healthy, they could win as long as they felt like it. W Good point , very good .... My only disagreement would be as I'm sure you know with expansion the odds of winning like say are so slim , so Jordan's bulls are unquestionably a dynasty as who knows they may have won 8 had he not tried baseball . The rest like the Yankees 4 titles in 5 years in expansion is a dynasty as are the 70 s a's , as great as the Canadians , Yankees and , celtics were pre expansion had they had to run a playoff gauntlet like today I doubt highly they would have racked up those numbers , not a knock just a fact they were assembled were not brioken up and only played respg season and championship round so by today's measures I would say 3 in a row is a dynasty 2 and a run is in discussion ... Football is different with all the teams and playoffs a two year run can be a dynasty now as repeating is very hard . My dynasty's modern era based on what I said , feel free to disagree all post expansion so no Green Bay Football Steelers 70 s -niners 80 s - cowboys 90-s. pats 2000s( football expansion too hard they belong ) Baseball Yanks 96-2000 -A's 72-74. - Reds ? Won two in row 75-76 but were in 2 other World Series debateable I say yes ( reds best team I've seen even without great pitching ) Hockey Canadians 76-79 - islanders- 80 -83 - oilers( 84-90 5 in 7 ). britishlove , dev wings of 90 s great to me no dynasty but when you read lets hear rebuttle I'm open for discussion just don't feel that's a dynasty but they are best team of last 20 years since oilers Basketball Lakers 80 s with a repeat - bulls nuff said - heat starting to get in convo Had to edit looked good typing all jumbled when it came out As far as the Wings are concerned, no I don't think the 90s were a dynasty per se, but they were the best years for hockey in the D since the real dynasty of Howe, Abel, Lindsay and Delvecchio between 1949 and 1955 with 4 cups. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 8:44:25 GMT -5
W Good point , very good .... My only disagreement would be as I'm sure you know with expansion the odds of winning like say are so slim , so Jordan's bulls are unquestionably a dynasty as who knows they may have won 8 had he not tried baseball . The rest like the Yankees 4 titles in 5 years in expansion is a dynasty as are the 70 s a's , as great as the Canadians , Yankees and , celtics were pre expansion had they had to run a playoff gauntlet like today I doubt highly they would have racked up those numbers , not a knock just a fact they were assembled were not brioken up and only played respg season and championship round so by today's measures I would say 3 in a row is a dynasty 2 and a run is in discussion ... Football is different with all the teams and playoffs a two year run can be a dynasty now as repeating is very hard . My dynasty's modern era based on what I said , feel free to disagree all post expansion so no Green Bay Football Steelers 70 s -niners 80 s - cowboys 90-s. pats 2000s( football expansion too hard they belong ) Baseball Yanks 96-2000 -A's 72-74. - Reds ? Won two in row 75-76 but were in 2 other World Series debateable I say yes ( reds best team I've seen even without great pitching ) Hockey Canadians 76-79 - islanders- 80 -83 - oilers( 84-90 5 in 7 ). britishlove , dev wings of 90 s great to me no dynasty but when you read lets hear rebuttle I'm open for discussion just don't feel that's a dynasty but they are best team of last 20 years since oilers Basketball Lakers 80 s with a repeat - bulls nuff said - heat starting to get in convo Had to edit looked good typing all jumbled when it came out As far as the Wings are concerned, no I don't think the 90s were a dynasty per se, but they were the best years for hockey in the D since the real dynasty of Howe, Abel, Lindsay and Delvecchio between 1949 and 1955 with 4 cups. Oh agree totally the wings had the best single season team in the 90 s I forget the year but Scotty coached i wanna say 95 or 96. And Detroit with Howe are a dynasty , I was just limiting it to post expansion  |
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Post by britishlove on Jun 25, 2013 8:53:02 GMT -5
As far as the Wings are concerned, no I don't think the 90s were a dynasty per se, but they were the best years for hockey in the D since the real dynasty of Howe, Abel, Lindsay and Delvecchio between 1949 and 1955 with 4 cups. Oh agree totally the wings had the best single season team in the 90 s I forget the year but Scotty coached i wanna say 95 or 96. And Detroit with Howe are a dynasty , I was just limiting it to post expansion We won the cup back to back in 96-97 and 97-98, against the Flyers and Capitals respectively. Sweeping them both, because we're bad ass  |
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so it finally happened. paul pierce and kevin garnett are both on their way to brooklyn. i have to admit, i have mixed feelings about this. obviously i hate to see them go, (and to a division foe to boot). BUT i give MAJOR props to danny ainge for having the balls to pull this off. this was clearly the right call, and those first-round draft picks are going to pay MAJOR dividends down the road. we will never forget 2008! BUT it was obvious that things were going to continue to deteriorate with the current (aging) group. i truly believe that part of the reason ainge pulled the trigger was because he remembers what happened to the original big three (bird, mchale, parrish). red had held on to them for far too long. now, the question is this --- is rondo going to be willing to stick around for the dismal losing seasons that are on the way in 2013, 2014, 2015? or is he going to want to be traded too? i hope it's the former, because despite all his quirks i think he is a terrific basketball player. NOW all they need is a coach. perhaps danny decides to take the reins himself for a season or two, until the right guy comes along? looking forward to getting me some $20 celtics tickets this season!  in danny we trust! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 9:12:45 GMT -5
Well. Celtics will be irrelevant for a year or three , SUPRISED they got so little in return ..... This could be a 5 year stretch of mediocrity or worse much like the pre bird era . When they had a couple of bad years til Larry legend arrived
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 18:41:56 GMT -5
Well. Celtics will be irrelevant for a year or three , SUPRISED they got so little in return ..... This could be a 5 year stretch of mediocrity or worse much like the pre bird era . When they had a couple of bad years til Larry legend arrived the way i see it is like this: they weren't going to beat the heat anyway. the only team that had any kind of shot this season was san antonio, and the spurs threw everything they had at them and miami still won. i wasn't drinking the 'not 4... not 5...' kool-aid before, but after this year's finals, i am now. the other thing i like about this deal is the picks aren't all in the same year/draft. they are staggered, one in 2014, one in 2016, one in 2018. that allows ainge to keep some $$ to sign a free agent, develop the talent the correct way, and also it gives him the ability to wheel-and-deal one of those picks down the road, if the team is coming together and he is inclined to add a veteran player earlier than expected. so while miami is having their dynasty, this is the PERFECT time to rebuild, in my opinion. as i said before, now they need a coach. i believe that is the most crucial thing at this point in time--- bringing the right guy in to develop the young talent he will be bringing in over the next few years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 18:45:12 GMT -5
Well. Celtics will be irrelevant for a year or three , SUPRISED they got so little in return ..... This could be a 5 year stretch of mediocrity or worse much like the pre bird era . When they had a couple of bad years til Larry legend arrived the way i see it is like this: they weren't going to beat the heat anyway. the only team that had any kind of shot this season was san antonio, and the spurs threw everything they had at them and miami still won. i wasn't drinking the 'not 4... not 5...' kool-aid before, but after this year's finals, i am now. the other thing i like about this deal is the picks aren't all in the same year/draft. they are staggered, one in 2014, one in 2016, one in 2018. that allows ainge to keep some $$ to sign a free agent, develop the talent the correct way, and also it gives him the ability to wheel-and-deal one of those picks down the road, if the team is coming together and he is inclined to add a veteran player earlier than expected. so while miami is having their dynasty, this is the PERFECT time to rebuild, in my opinion. as i said before, now they need a coach. i believe that is the most crucial thing at this point in time--- bringing the right guy in to develop the young talent he will be bringing in over the next few years. Agreed . Was not knocking it. U sorta just said what I did , next couple of years they will be irrelevant while rebuilding , doc don't want that and Boston ain't gonna pay that kinda money to a coach babysitting til the Calvary comes in 3 to 5 ... I agree |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 18:48:51 GMT -5
And I wouldn't punch the dynasty card yet ..they were life and death and a couple of blown free throws by spurs in game 6 from being 1-2 in finals great yes ..dynasty not yet those free throws go in not HAVIN that discussion
Indiana on the up , okc will be better , rose will be be back in Chicago ....this ain't gonna be easy and they didnt win like a dynasty ya know ? A great team yes .jury still out on dynasty tho IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 18:53:30 GMT -5
the way i see it is like this: they weren't going to beat the heat anyway. the only team that had any kind of shot this season was san antonio, and the spurs threw everything they had at them and miami still won. i wasn't drinking the 'not 4... not 5...' kool-aid before, but after this year's finals, i am now. the other thing i like about this deal is the picks aren't all in the same year/draft. they are staggered, one in 2014, one in 2016, one in 2018. that allows ainge to keep some $$ to sign a free agent, develop the talent the correct way, and also it gives him the ability to wheel-and-deal one of those picks down the road, if the team is coming together and he is inclined to add a veteran player earlier than expected. so while miami is having their dynasty, this is the PERFECT time to rebuild, in my opinion. as i said before, now they need a coach. i believe that is the most crucial thing at this point in time--- bringing the right guy in to develop the young talent he will be bringing in over the next few years. Agreed . Was not knocking it. U sorta just said what I did , next couple of years they will be irrelevant while rebuilding , doc don't want that and Boston ain't gonna pay that kinda money to a coach babysitting til the Calvary comes in 3 to 5 ... I agree EXACTLY! you wouldn't believe how many people are bad mouthing danny ainge on the sports talk shows around here.... they just can't see the big picture. like i said, red had made the fatal error of going with his big 3 until the wheels literally fell off. ainge had the stones to do this deal NOW, and get something for these guys in return. people forget when ainge brought ray allen and kg here in the first place, he made it absolutely clear: we want to win NOW. but by doing this, there will be a rebuilding process on the other side. that was part of the deal!! well, that unit brought us a championship, as promised! and now that rebuilding process is here. i have a lot of respect for ainge for pulling the trigger on the deal that had to be made. that is what a good gm does. sure, it would have been nice for paul and kg to retire as celtics, BUT it wouldn't have been the best thing for the team. i mean, the line-up miami has now is SCARY, it's like an all-star team for crying out loud  and to ray, paul pierce and kg, i say: 'thank you for the good times'. it was a lot of fun while it lasted. V |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 18:56:16 GMT -5
And I wouldn't punch the dynasty card yet ..they were life and death and a couple of blown free throws by spurs in game 6 from being 1-2 in finals great yes ..dynasty not yet those free throws go in not HAVIN that discussion Indiana on the up , okc will be better , rose will be be back in Chicago ....this ain't gonna be easy and they didnt win like a dynasty ya know ? A great team yes .jury still out on dynasty tho IMO i hear you, but that's what separates the good teams from the great teams--- they find a way to win. no matter what. i say ray allen is one of the best players to ever come thru here. his performances in high-pressure clutch situations (like this year's finals) speaks for itself. i have never liked lebron, but i will admit , what he does , what he can do on the basketball court is nothing short of amazing. i have to give him credit. but if i still had to pick one player only it would and will always be michael jordan. |
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Jun 28, 2013 18:58:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 18:58:05 GMT -5
Agreed . Was not knocking it. U sorta just said what I did , next couple of years they will be irrelevant while rebuilding , doc don't want that and Boston ain't gonna pay that kinda money to a coach babysitting til the Calvary comes in 3 to 5 ... I agree EXACTLY! you wouldn't believe how many people are bad mouthing danny ainge on the sports talk shows around here.... they just can't see the big picture. like i said, red had made the fatal error of going with his big 3 until the wheels literally fell off. ainge had the stones to do this deal NOW, and get something for these guys in return. people forget when ainge brought ray allen and kg here in the first place, he made it absolutely clear: we want to win NOW. but by doing this, there will be a rebuilding process on the other side. that was part of the deal!! well, that unit brought us a championship, as promised! and now that rebuilding process is here. i have a lot of respect for ainge for pulling the trigger on the deal that had to be made. that is what a good gm does. sure, it would have been nice for paul and kg to retire as celtics, BUT it wouldn't have been the best thing for the team. i mean, the line-up miami has now is SCARY, it's like an all-star team for crying out loud and to ray, paul pierce and kg, i say: 'thank you for the good times'. it was a lot of fun while it lasted. V I'm sure Dennis and Callahan are HAVIN a field day on weei man I still think Miami can be beat they were exposed by a aging San Antonio team ...so I think there is gonna be competition .. But yea I remember when they bought the big 3 here it was win now worry later ....well they won , now worry , rebuild and have a good team for another decade but ya gotta wait while you rebuild Ps I hate that Dennis dude. So fucking arrogant makes mike Francesca leek jovial. That's hard man  |
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Jun 28, 2013 18:59:01 GMT -5
Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jun 28, 2013 18:59:01 GMT -5
i can't imagine anyone beating the Heat next year if they acquire someone that actually plays the center position...
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Heat will be the Vegas favorite , if they get a center that changes things , but they gotta get a center , if not they can be taken , San Antonio makes 1 out of the last 2 free throws in game 6 they are bein broken up already as losers
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[quote author=" kalas" source="/post/1073044/thread" timestamp="1372463885Ps I hate that Dennis dude. So fucking arrogant makes mike Francesca leek jovial. That's hard man [/quote] i hear you. by the way they now have some competition, 98.5 the sports hub is kicking their ass, and has been for the past couple of years  weei is toast |
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[quote author=" kalas" source="/post/1073044/thread" timestamp="1372463885Ps I hate that Dennis dude. So fucking arrogant makes mike Francesca leek jovial. That's hard man i hear you. by the way they now have some competition, 98.5 the sports hub is kicking their ass, and has been for the past couple of years weei is toast [/quote] Sweet . I only get. D& c in fla and I don't mind Callahan. But Dennis is a fuckin dick man arrogant bastard , thanks man !! |
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 28, 2013 20:07:56 GMT -5
Heat will be the Vegas favorite , if they get a center that changes things , but they gotta get a center , if not they can be taken , San Antonio makes 1 out of the last 2 free throws in game 6 they are bein broken up already as losers I doubt that. Pat Riley isnt that short sited. The Heat organization doesnt make decisions because of one missed or made free throw. Would the team be viewed differently losing 2/3 as opposed to winning 2/3 of course but no other team over the last three years has been remotely close to accomplishing what the Heat have. If Wade was healthy they would have won in 6. He was the 7th most efficient player this year and put up 21pts 5r 5a and 2 st on 52% shooting. The team the Spurs played was not the 27 wins in a row team. Wade was a shell of himself and tried picking his spots. The Heat dont need a center they need there perimeter players to hit there threes and they need Wade and Lebron to be aggressive. You dont need a center to win in this version of the NBA. The Bulls didnt need one either. Speed kills in this league and if Wade can improve his jumper this off-season and heal his knees they three-peat. |
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