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Post by hogy on Jun 18, 2011 11:46:49 GMT -5
Could not have said it better myself... Oasis only have themselves to blame for the way they get treated over here (AU). Don't get me wrong, I can tell when Noel's joking and see the funny side to most things (unlike the general public who think he and his brother are the two most arrogant people in the world), however sometimes you need to play the game a little. As said above, the Foo Fighters are PERFECT examples of how this translates to a great reception and even better album sales. Their music(since "The Color and the Shape") is half the quality of Noel's 2000-2009 Oasis tracks yet the general public fall over themselves to see FF live / buy their records... Had Oasis not cancelled in 96 and came here and blew everyone away with their perfect attitudes / performances in 98, we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's funny, back in 2008 I was at a friends place and at that stage I was under the impression Oasis would tour here off the back of DOYS, as they had done with the previous 2 tours and I was telling a friend how I was looking forward to seeing then again. He said, "are you looking forward to seeing them fight and make asses of themselves too?". 10 WHOLE years after the 98 debacle and that's the only thing he could associate with the band. Not the great 02 tour or the relatively popular 05 tour, hell, I would have preferred him to mention Wonderwall! Unfortunately his reaction is a perfect example of roughly 95% of the people in AU when Oasis are mentioned. In the early 00s Noel made a comment about Kylie Minogue which didn't go down too well over here and kyle sandilands made a huge deal on his radio show about it (i think he also vowed to never play an Oasis track again or something stupid like that)... All because Noel spoke his mind re his thoughts on Kylie Minogue... Dave Grohl would never say anything like that and, well, you see just how far that has gotten his band.. VERY sad! 1 last thing in regards to still holding a grudge 10 years after a bad tour and the Kylie Minogue thing; Chris Brown beats a female and pleads no contest in court and within 1.5 years has one of the biggest hits on Australian radio. Where is the fucking justice in that??? Seldom has there been a post so perfect. K+. I think most Aussies just don't understand Mancs for some reason. If Oasis were American they would probably be way bigger here, I mean people go bananas for Pearl Jam. That's right! Pearl Jam!  Couldn't agree more.... Lack of understanding. On top of that, Australian radio is so bad.. there are literally 2 commercial stations in the whole of the country.. This means its VERY easy to go from obscurity to mainstream extremely fast (KOL for example - And yes, I am aware they weren't overly obscure when Sex on Fire was released, but it would have had the same result had no one heard of them prior to the release of that track), but the down side is, if those 2 commercial stations decide they don't like you, then you literally have nowhere else to go. You cant work the smaller stations gaining a little exposure here and there until you are popular (or regain popularity), you literally sink. This is why Oasis have such a hard time over here.. They sank long ago! Bands like Pearl Jam will continue to have success regardless of their material because the big 2 will continue to play them. |
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Post by masterplan200 on Jun 21, 2011 1:41:14 GMT -5
I was reading DRUM! (local press in Sydney who claimm that NSW is the best state.) the other day on a bus home from the CBD and their reaction to a single that BE released is testament to this problem.
Local radio here will shun Oasis too, there is a station running a 2011 songs countdown, Oasis only have 4 songs on it, all from MG because of the stupidity of the station to criticize every time they play it.
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 21, 2011 22:42:00 GMT -5
I was reading DRUM! (local press in Sydney who claimm that NSW is the best state.) the other day on a bus home from the CBD and their reaction to a single that BE released is testament to this problem. Local radio here will shun Oasis too, there is a station running a 2011 songs countdown, Oasis only have 4 songs on it, all from MG because of the stupidity of the station to criticize every time they play it. That's insteresting, they got a pretty good recption down here in the papers when they released The Roller. But then this is the same newspaper editor who claimed that SCYHO was the best song of the 2000s  nice enthuiasm but seriously? |
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Post by jakob61907 on Jun 21, 2011 22:50:28 GMT -5
I just want them to announce a tour here already. Go around Australia playing small and intimate gigs. I definitely think they could do that. They've done it in other places round the world. We're waiting  |
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Post by masterplan200 on Jun 23, 2011 2:52:38 GMT -5
I was reading DRUM! (local press in Sydney who claimm that NSW is the best state.) the other day on a bus home from the CBD and their reaction to a single that BE released is testament to this problem. Local radio here will shun Oasis too, there is a station running a 2011 songs countdown, Oasis only have 4 songs on it, all from MG because of the stupidity of the station to criticize every time they play it. That's insteresting, they got a pretty good recption down here in the papers when they released The Roller. But then this is the same newspaper editor who claimed that SCYHO was the best song of the 2000s nice enthuiasm but seriously? I thought the same when I read it, I thought BMA (waste of time but the resident Maiden fan is a laugh)'s single reviewer had reviewed it. Note: BMA was very anti-Oasis, dso I think he did review it. |
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 23, 2011 5:06:33 GMT -5
^Is there anyone in Aus (besides us) that isn't anti-Oasis?  |
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Post by thestellasarecold on Jun 23, 2011 17:22:05 GMT -5
It would appear not... Most music lovers I know either dislike Oasis, are indifferent to them or simply haven't heard anything much about the band since the ubiquitous Wonderwall of 1996 which, despite being a pretty damn good song (but still not one of their best IMO), has now suffered from being acutely overplayed.
I sniggered when Cameron Adams of the Herald and Weekly Times proclaimed Stop Crying Your Heart Out as the band's highlight of the 2000s. Not coincidentally, it was probably their most mainstream hit here after the Morning Glory era.
The tabloid, music press and big radio stations basically dish a diet out to the massess and they lap up whatever is fed to them, more so now than ever before. Oasis hardly figure in the radio diet, Beady Eye even less so. They're like B vitamins- we need more of them! It's very hard to make any kind of dent when alternative stations AS WELL AS commercial stations simply ignore your music. It seems like a lifetime ago now when Triple J still thought the band cool enough to feature their albums, even after their 'prime period'.
The Gallaghers are good copy here for all the wrong reasons and the press want to keep it that way. Lazy journalism is easier to write and easier to sell- 'hey look, here are those foul mouthed Gallaghers again. Hey Noel, what are your thoughts on Kylie Minogue, Kaiser Chiefs and Amy Winehouse?'
Although Beady Eye received more press here than I thought they would (front page cover stories in tabloids and broadsheets), the articles were largely as you'd expect them to be; more about Liam being cantankerous with the music as an afterthought... And that knob end David Kosch thought it great to bring out 'the old chestnut' when he compared The Roller to a few Lennon clips. Yawn!!
When Oasis split, I read a smarmy conversational piece in the Newscorp tabloid music liftouts about how the band's legacy will simply be one of Beatles impersonators and brawlers with not a decent track to their name. It's extraordinary how reactionary and uniformed some so called experts can be. Whatever anybody thinks of the Brothers' Gallagher themselves and all the headlines and the numerous incidents and the outrageous comments, there simply is no denying that Noel Gallagher is a formidable tunesmith with an extraordinary ear for craftmanship who has outshone many of his peers on a consistent basis and has never really been recognised widely for this. Furthermore, his palate has been broader than most people give him credit for. Let's not forget either that his brother, at his peak, had a voice that soared. What a combination! It will be interesting to see how Noel's solo album is received in Australia...
A good litmus test of the credibility of any vehement Aussie Oasis critic is to ask them the following questions:
1. Have you heard any tracks from the records Definitely Maybe and The Masterplan?
2. Have you heard tracks from the band's so called 'has been era' such as Gas Panic!, The Importance of Being Idle and Falling Down?
3. Are you aware of the various career achievements of Oasis in their homeland including the Knebworth concerts of 1996, the seven consecutive Number One albums, the 20+ Number One singles and the huge sellout concerts of 2008-2009?
4. Have you heard of the song Wonderwall?
I guarantee you, their response would be an unequivocal 'NO' to all questions. Oh, except Question Four of course!...
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Post by BlueJay on Jun 23, 2011 20:27:57 GMT -5
^Yep, that pretty much sums it up I think Noel will get a much better recption, he has been seen as the okay and more sensible brother here for wuite some time now, he was always well recieved on Rove etc, and his 2006 solo tour was universally acclaimed from what I remember. |
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Post by hogy on Jun 27, 2011 13:03:41 GMT -5
The tabloid, music press and big radio stations basically dish a diet out to the massess and they lap up whatever is fed to them, more so now than ever before. Oasis hardly figure in the radio diet, Beady Eye even less so. They're like B vitamins- we need more of them! It's very hard to make any kind of dent when alternative stations AS WELL AS commercial stations simply ignore your music. It seems like a lifetime ago now when Triple J still thought the band cool enough to feature their albums, even after their 'prime period'. The Gallaghers are good copy here for all the wrong reasons and the press want to keep it that way. Lazy journalism is easier to write and easier to sell- 'hey look, here are those foul mouthed Gallaghers again. Hey Noel, what are your thoughts on Kylie Minogue, Kaiser Chiefs and Amy Winehouse?' Although Beady Eye received more press here than I thought they would (front page cover stories in tabloids and broadsheets), the articles were largely as you'd expect them to be; more about Liam being cantankerous with the music as an afterthought... And that knob end David Kosch thought it great to bring out 'the old chestnut' when he compared The Roller to a few Lennon clips. Yawn!! When Oasis split, I read a smarmy conversational piece in the Newscorp tabloid music liftouts about how the band's legacy will simply be one of Beatles impersonators and brawlers with not a decent track to their name. It's extraordinary how reactionary and uniformed some so called experts can be. Whatever anybody thinks of the Brothers' Gallagher themselves and all the headlines and the numerous incidents and the outrageous comments, there simply is no denying that Noel Gallagher is a formidable tunesmith with an extraordinary ear for craftmanship who has outshone many of his peers on a consistent basis and has never really been recognised widely for this. Furthermore, his palate has been broader than most people give him credit for. Let's not forget either that his brother, at his peak, had a voice that soared. What a combination! It will be interesting to see how Noel's solo album is received in Australia... A good litmus test of the credibility of any vehement Aussie Oasis critic is to ask them the following questions: 1. Have you heard any tracks from the records Definitely Maybe and The Masterplan? 2. Have you heard tracks from the band's so called 'has been era' such as Gas Panic!, The Importance of Being Idle and Falling Down? 3. Are you aware of the various career achievements of Oasis in their homeland including the Knebworth concerts of 1996, the seven consecutive Number One albums, the 20+ Number One singles and the huge sellout concerts of 2008-2009? 4. Have you heard of the song Wonderwall? I guarantee you, their response would be an unequivocal 'NO' to all questions. Oh, except Question Four of course!... Great post as always! Some REALLY good points here... as you said, just lazy.. Its easier to not listen or listen with prejudice then it is to actually take the band (or album/singles) on its actual merits! Had that happened since 98, then perhaps, again, we wouldn't be having this conversation.. Also, what is it about these commercial stations.. I remember in 05 Nova started playing Lyla quite a bit and it even featured in the most requested tracks a few nights in a row, and then literally ALL OF A SUDDEN, it was gone from their playlist like it never existed.. Was the backlash for playing Oasis so great from the general public (the ones not requested it) that they had to stop?? If so, how has Chris Brown managed to get back to where he is on Australian Radio? Unbelievable!! Just on your point re Triple J. 2002 was when they did their Oasis special (The J files) and Richard Kingsmill said he had been bugged by Oasis fans for years to do one and he said something along the lines of "I wanted to wait for them to put out a good album again before we did a special on them".. Which makes me think that he thought HC was a decent enough album. What changed from that point to 2005 when they basically shunned them?? DOYS and DBTT are far better records than HC, so I am at a loss as to why they didn't care to play their music from 2005 onwards. Also, from memory, Little by Little featured in 2002's Hottest 100! Finally, I like the fact that you mention Gas Panic and TIOBI, both tracks are as good (if not better) than anything you hear on commercial radio these days.. as they probably were at the time of release.. |
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Post by hogy on Jun 27, 2011 13:07:15 GMT -5
Also, what is it about these commercial stations.. I remember in 05 Nova started playing Lyla quite a bit and it even featured in the most requested tracks a few nights in a row, and then literally ALL OF A SUDDEN, it was gone from their playlist like it never existed.. Was the backlash for playing Oasis so great from the general public (the ones not requested it) that they had to stop?? If so, how has Chris Brown managed to get back to where he is on Australian Radio? Unbelievable!! Just had a thought, perhaps his record label actually care about his career (unlike Sony with Oasis) and pushed the stations to play his new stuff.. They do that for long enough and as thestellasarecold said, the public will lap it up! It's no secret major labels literally buy time on commercial radio for their artists.. Good one Sony for never bothering to do that for Oasis! |
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 4, 2011 22:13:06 GMT -5
I just had a dream last night that an Aus tour had been announced and that i went online to get the tickets but for some reason I could never obtain them. Is that a good or a bad thing? Is anyone here a dream interpreter? It probably means that I obsess about Oasis and Beady Eye/Noel too much |
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Post by manualex on Jul 4, 2011 23:21:21 GMT -5
I just had a dream last night that an Aus tour had been announced and that i went online to get the tickets but for some reason I could never obtain them. Is that a good or a bad thing? Is anyone here a dream interpreter? It probably means that I obsess about Oasis and Beady Eye/Noel too much That just means that you hang out to much with eva(who had the same dream!) xD |
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 5, 2011 0:01:11 GMT -5
^Really?! That's a relief...I'm not crazy after all ;D
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Post by crash on Jul 5, 2011 2:13:38 GMT -5
I'm an Aussie myself I have to agree with pretty much everything you've all said. I heard The Roller a couple times on Triple M and I nearly fell off my seat each time, it was such a shock. My little brother came home excited last week cause DLBIA was played on radio, which is sad really, it should be a radio staple on a station like MMM. We seem obsessed with earnest musicians, hence the rapturous support for guys like Dave Grohl and Bernard Fanning. Anyone who's controversial, somewhat aggressive, eccentric or a bit of a 'rock star' seems to be shunned. Of course when you're dealing commercial music and twelve year old girls, these things don't matter so much and people like Chris Brown are forgiven. In the Australian market I tend to think Oasis were like You Am I, where some bad luck, poor record label decisions and questionable antics from the band meant they never reached their full potential, despite a canon of great records. Meanwhile groups like the Foo Fighters, Coldplay or Powderfinger when they were together, sell bucketloads. Despite producing at best good, if not middle-of-the-road albums, a few nice interviews on commercial television means each album is a hit. Sad times.
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Post by hogy on Jul 25, 2011 9:24:18 GMT -5
I'm an Aussie myself I have to agree with pretty much everything you've all said. I heard The Roller a couple times on Triple M and I nearly fell off my seat each time, it was such a shock. My little brother came home excited last week cause DLBIA was played on radio, which is sad really, it should be a radio staple on a station like MMM. We seem obsessed with earnest musicians, hence the rapturous support for guys like Dave Grohl and Bernard Fanning. Anyone who's controversial, somewhat aggressive, eccentric or a bit of a 'rock star' seems to be shunned. Of course when you're dealing commercial music and twelve year old girls, these things don't matter so much and people like Chris Brown are forgiven. In the Australian market I tend to think Oasis were like You Am I, where some bad luck, poor record label decisions and questionable antics from the band meant they never reached their full potential, despite a canon of great records. Meanwhile groups like the Foo Fighters, Coldplay or Powderfinger when they were together, sell bucketloads. Despite producing at best good, if not middle-of-the-road albums, a few nice interviews on commercial television means each album is a hit. Sad times. Great post! Very well said. |
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Post by jakob61907 on Aug 1, 2011 21:46:08 GMT -5
www.arcticmonkeys.com/news.php?pagec=2&ippc=10&id=514With Arctic monkeys now doing an Australia wide tour by themselves for early January and announcing it today, does this mean Beady Eye won't be coming to Aus? Considering they're finishing around december and no dates have been announced?
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Post by jakob61907 on Aug 1, 2011 22:30:47 GMT -5
Im certainly going to the perth gig haha
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Post by jakob61907 on Aug 7, 2011 1:33:56 GMT -5
Gonna buy my Perth ticket on Tuesday. Cant waitttt
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Post by BlueJay on Aug 12, 2011 4:26:23 GMT -5
Fellow natives, watch RAGE tonight. The chief will be featuring.
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Post by jakob61907 on Aug 12, 2011 4:33:46 GMT -5
Wicked
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nice enthuiasm but seriously?
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