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Post by blacksheep on Feb 21, 2011 18:13:43 GMT -5
Noel's vocals on LDSMD prove he can handle a "rocker" tune.
There's a reason Liam's never done a live acoustic show either. (To my knowledge anyway)
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Post by icebreath on Feb 21, 2011 18:16:14 GMT -5
Noel's version from the acoustic gigs with Gem is easily the best of Wonderwall. no way it's better than this |
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Post by dhamon on Feb 21, 2011 18:31:06 GMT -5
Yeah thats ace. Awesome version. But its 15 years ago (Liam can't sing like that anymore) and I like the way Noel changed it up.
All I'm saying is I think Noel will be fine and his album will be as great as everyone expects it to be. I love Beady Eye's album but I can't wait to hear what Noel brings to the table also.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 21, 2011 18:46:54 GMT -5
2 issues with this thread 1) What lazy thinking. There are tons of great songs and albums that don't have Liam Gallagher as a lead singer. Noel is a great singer with more range and variety than Liam...even if it doesn't deliver a straight-on rock song as well as Liam. You are on some sort of LG sugar high after this album. 2) Why are you trying to discuss your thoughts on Noel in the Beady Eye section? 3) There is already a thread about this. live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=64948I'd say Liam is better at the ballads aswell, imo DGA is his finest vocal. He couldn't sing that now IMO |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Feb 21, 2011 18:51:16 GMT -5
noel stopped writing cool music with a youthful spirit and started writing music for dads
liam has just started writing cool music with a youthful spirit, and he's always going to have that in him
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 21, 2011 18:51:26 GMT -5
I'd say Liam is better at the ballads aswell, imo DGA is his finest vocal. He couldn't sing that now IMO You are probably right, but for me even now, Liam singing a ballad makes me believe it. You know he believe's it 100% and thats what I get from it. It gives Liam a power Noel hasn't had for the last few years imo. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Feb 21, 2011 18:58:57 GMT -5
Put it this way: If some random person wrote 11 great songs and asked me to pick between Noel and Liam to do the vocals, I'd pick Liam without even thinking about it, no matter waht kind of songs they are.
He just has an awesome recording voice. Sure, his vox is nowhere near as good as it was in nineties but it's still the pretty cool. Noel has the more traditional vocal style and his range has improved insanely over the past decade where as Liam's has decreased but Liam still has "the voice" IMO.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 21, 2011 19:07:09 GMT -5
Put it this way: If some random person wrote 11 great songs and asked me to pick between Noel and Liam to do the vocals, I'd pick Liam without even thinking about it, no matter waht kind of songs they are. He just has an awesome recording voice. Sure, his vox is nowhere near as good as it was in nineties but it's still the pretty cool. Noel has the more traditional vocal style and his range has improved insanely over the past decade where as Liam's has decreased but Liam still has "the voice" IMO. But most of us would pick Liam above most people in the world. If we can't penalize LAG for not writing tunes that we like as much as Noel why the hell is it alright to penalize Noel for not having Liams voice. Just cause Liams voice is better doesn't mean that Noel's voice can't carry a full album. You are proposing both singing the same songs. But that isn't hat we are looking at. What Noel lacks in vox he will hopefully make up in songwriting quality. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Feb 21, 2011 19:20:06 GMT -5
[ You are proposing both singing the same songs. But that isn't hat we are looking at. What Noel lacks in vox he will hopefully make up in songwriting quality. I see what you are saying but he has been tailoring songs to suit Liam's voice over the past two decades, so do you think he'll be able to produce a whole album for his own vocal style and make it work. i personally think he'll struggle in terms of making the album that everyone will be expecting. |
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Post by supersonic8587 on Feb 21, 2011 19:20:17 GMT -5
Put it this way: If some random person wrote 11 great songs and asked me to pick between Noel and Liam to do the vocals, I'd pick Liam without even thinking about it, no matter waht kind of songs they are. He just has an awesome recording voice. Sure, his vox is nowhere near as good as it was in nineties but it's still the pretty cool. Noel has the more traditional vocal style and his range has improved insanely over the past decade where as Liam's has decreased but Liam still has "the voice" IMO. But most of us would pick Liam above most people in the world. If we can't penalize LAG for not writing tunes that we like as much as Noel why the hell is it alright to penalize Noel for not having Liams voice. Just cause Liams voice is better doesn't mean that Noel's voice can't carry a full album. You are proposing both singing the same songs. But that isn't hat we are looking at. What Noel lacks in vox he will hopefully make up in songwriting quality. We would also choose Noel over most people in the world, but we're not talking about most people in the world, we're talking about the Gallagher brothers. And nobody's penalizing anybody here, we're just comparing strengths and weaknesses. I'm really hoping what Noel lacks in the vocal department he's going to make up for with well written songs. But judging from what we've heard recently from Noel sung songs, I have my doubts. |
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Post by masterplan2011 on Feb 21, 2011 19:42:23 GMT -5
I think this a good argument everyone is having and I think this is part of the reason Oasis split up. Liam was the better singer but Noel started to sing more and more of the big songs. Noel was the better songwriter but Liam wanted to get put more and more of his songs on the albums. As Noel became a much more accomplished singer and Liam became an accomplished songwriter this led to tensions.
I suppose with Beady Eye, Liam has shown that he can write great songs and it is up to Noel now to prove his voice can fuel a whole album. I personally agree that there is only so many kind of easy going songs you can listen to before you want a rocker. However I think that's because we are used to the Oasis sound, nobody complained when Bob Dylan never did a aggressive rock song.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 21, 2011 19:53:04 GMT -5
2 issues with this thread 1) What lazy thinking. There are tons of great songs and albums that don't have Liam Gallagher as a lead singer. Noel is a great singer with more range and variety than Liam...even if it doesn't deliver a straight-on rock song as well as Liam. You are on some sort of LG sugar high after this album. 2) Why are you trying to discuss your thoughts on Noel in the Beady Eye section? 3) There is already a thread about this. live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=64948I'd say Liam is better at the ballads aswell, imo DGA is his finest vocal. I'd agree that DGA was Liam's best vocal, but that was like 13 years ago. Of the recent ballads, Liam has not been that good in imo. SCYHO vocal is cringe worthy, IOT is okay. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 21, 2011 20:01:32 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with the OP in that an album full of Noel sung songs may be a bit dull. I really hope he proves me wrong, but Noel is not the best at singing some types of songs that have a lot of energy. His voice just doesn't seem to have that energy in it anymore, or at least he hasn't shown it. Just listen to the Lyla demo. It's not half the song the final version is and the only major difference is Liam's voice. Forgot about that, it just doesn't sound right does it?.....I remember the SOTSOG demo's to that leaked, just sounded weird with Noel on the Liam sung leads. Just out of curiosity whats your favourite song on Beady eye's newen? To use SOTSOG to prove your point, prob was a bad example. The demo versions of SOTSOG is really really good, and to a point better than the actual album. And that album just had Noel doing guide vocals. If you wanna compare vocals between the album and the demo, Noel's version of PYMWYMI, is better than Liams, so is his Roll It Over, and so is his Gas Panic. I still ove Noel's vocals on SMC (on both versions) and his WDIAGW (on both versions). The only songs that Liam has him beat on are ICSA, WFL, and GLIO (and only by a slim margin imo) I dont even wanna mention LJ, but I would actually love to hear what a version of that song with Noel's vocal would sound like. In the end, Noel's got Liam beat on the majority of that album. imo |
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Post by MacaRonic on Feb 21, 2011 20:05:55 GMT -5
^^Don't agree with you there. Gas Panic (Demo)'s production is better than the original but Liam's vox on it is better than Noel's by miles. And the same goes for PYMWYMI. But you're entitled to your opinion I guess.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 21, 2011 20:23:55 GMT -5
FFS We don't have the option of a Liam sung Noel written tune. I still think Noel sung versions of Liam sung songs are still pretty special.
No they aren't as good.
But although there are some good songs on DGSS there is nothing as great as a really good Noel-written Liam sung tune.
But if I were to start a thread about that people would feel justified in shouting me down.
The brothers a best together. But they aren't. And both of their outputs will be worth listening to multiple times.
Neither will be boring. Neither will probably be over the top experimental.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Feb 21, 2011 20:32:25 GMT -5
noel stopped writing cool music with a youthful spirit and started writing music for dads liam has just started writing cool music with a youthful spirit, and he's always going to have that in him roll with it is a lot more dad rock than the turning. |
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Post by ivaldos on Feb 21, 2011 20:55:49 GMT -5
I know that the point and interest of a forum is to discuss. However, I'm tired of reading and listening people putting Liam against Noel and vice versa. We all know that Noel is a better writer and that he wrote the all time Oasis classics. And we all know that Liam is the singer in most of those classic songs, and that his voice is unique. He might lost his younger and fresh voice, but he still maintain the strength, energy and power when singing..
When Oasis split happened I was very very sad but then I though: 'We are going to have 2 album from people who I love his music. And as they have to start over And prove their quality, they are going to put all the strenght on it'..
I think that the love for Liam or Noel has to do more to and attitude aspect than a musical one... Noel was the brain, the mature and serious one.. Liam, on the other side, was the rock star who didn't care anything, the showman... As I'm a little immature I'm more a Liam's guy, but I love both brothers.. They are both great musicians, the greatest of our time.
Beady Eye album really surprise me. I was expecting some good tunes (like I'm Outta Time) but this is a great great album. And I cannot wait to Noel's album, I know is gonna be fantastic.. And to respond to the thread (sorry for taking to long) I don't think Noel's album is going to be boring at all... Just different not to listen Liam in some Noel songs. In fact, I know this is one of the first topics that are we going to talk about when Noel's album arrives..
Long life Liam & Noel.. Live forever
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Post by songbirdsally on Feb 22, 2011 3:21:18 GMT -5
Everything depends on what direction Noel is going to take with his solo album.
I hope he's going to take the acoustic direction, cause that's obviously where he's best in.
'The Dreams we have as Childeren' is one of my favourite Oasis CD's. It's very good. And the bit with Paul Weller as well is amazing! But I think a lot of people tend to forget this has also to do with the songs he sings. These are the songs we know & sing a long with for allready 15 years! Ofcourse it's epic when he plays them acoustic and we can all sing along! This will be different when he's doing new stuff though...
I'm looking forward to the album! I believe in Noel. I think/hope he knows his strenghts and weaknesses and will make a spellbinding album!
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Post by oneeye on Feb 22, 2011 3:31:12 GMT -5
I kinda of agree with the OP.
Noel could quite easily pull off a great album, but do we all really think that based on Noel's efforts on the later Oasis albums?
I always thought Noel was holding back since around 2005, he has always had a habit of holding back his best songs but when the main song on the album arent THAT good - then that was when he had to use those songs.
For me anyway - it was always Liam's voice that made the songs - that's why DLBIA wouldnt be in my top 5 Oasis songs.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 22, 2011 11:45:56 GMT -5
Remember, Noel was writing a lot of those songs for Liam's voice. It's also hard to justify the point about Noel's vocals by using examples of demos. Those demos (like Lyla) are not necessarily how it would have sounded if it studio version were sung by Noel. Rather, they just act as a guide for Liam. Again, Noel was writing with Liam's voice in mind at times.
That being said, Noel will now be writing for his own voice. He's an accomplished musician and knows what he's doing. He will know, for the most part, what works and what doesn't work.
Time will tell, and I feel that there a few people jumping the gun here.
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