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Post by andymorris on Feb 17, 2011 21:07:34 GMT -5
Just had a listen to Boy With the Blues and I Believe in All. hadent for a few good months. Leaving aside the fact that they're liam's songs, the sound on it is really close to what BDI has come up with.
Which leaves that question: how much input did Noel have on those two tracks ? Was the break up already there, in the recording sessions of DOYS ?
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Post by uboasis on Feb 17, 2011 21:51:38 GMT -5
That's an interesting question. I generally feel that during DOYS it was almost like Noel and then Liam/Gem/Andy.
Those recording sessions you mention (Boy With the Blues, I Believe in All) I suspect were not part of the DOYS main sessions because Jim Keltner subbed in for Zak. Keltner used to drum for Lennon and I wouldn't be surprised if they got Keltner through Zak. If these tracks were recorded with the rest of DOYS, Zak would have drummed on them. In addition, it doesn't sound like Noel singing backup.
Similarly on tracks like Swollen Hand Blues, that is pretty much Noel solo.
Oasis seemed to be a partitioned group during recording and touring of DOYS. I haven't heard DGSS yet so I can't really comment on how much it actually sonds like Boy With the Blues or I Believe in All.
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 17, 2011 22:15:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if TBWTB and IBIA are left-overs from DBTT. Brilliant leftovers of course, but leftovers nonetheless. I know there were rumours of a track by Liam called Boy With The Blues for sometime before.
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Post by MasterplanMatt on Feb 17, 2011 22:40:31 GMT -5
Yeah The Boy With The Blue was going to be on DBTT but they didn't include it because it lacked a good chorus or something. Read the wiki on it, interesting.
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Feb 17, 2011 23:10:49 GMT -5
That's an interesting question. I generally feel that during DOYS it was almost like Noel and then Liam/Gem/Andy. Those recording sessions you mention (Boy With the Blues, I Believe in All) I suspect were not part of the DOYS main sessions because Jim Keltner subbed in for Zak. Keltner used to drum for Lennon and I wouldn't be surprised if they got Keltner through Zak. If these tracks were recorded with the rest of DOYS, Zak would have drummed on them. In addition, it doesn't sound like Noel singing backup. Similarly on tracks like Swollen Hand Blues, that is pretty much Noel solo. Oasis seemed to be a partitioned group during recording and touring of DOYS. I haven't heard DGSS yet so I can't really comment on how much it actually sonds like Boy With the Blues or I Believe in All. Well if you watch the 'Gold, Silver, & Sunshine' video from DOYS. It seems Noel did the majority of his demos alone, at least that's the impression I got. Which I think is understandable 'cause I would want to be alone with a song of mine so I could at least nail the basic concept. Getting other people's input can sometimes change your outlook on a song, which can be a good or bad thing. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 18, 2011 5:33:20 GMT -5
They indeed sound like something from DBTT. BWTB even more so than IBIA. Do we know more about these sessions ? Coz the booklet is pretty vague about this.
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Post by definitivt on Feb 18, 2011 5:50:07 GMT -5
The whole album sound very DBTT-like. Simple rock/pop from the 60s, nothing special or complex, just good melodies. A bit harder at times, but not too much.
Have a hard time deciding which of them that are superior to the other...
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Post by pascal on Feb 18, 2011 6:58:40 GMT -5
They indeed sound like something from DBTT. BWTB even more so than IBIA. Do we know more about these sessions ? Coz the booklet is pretty vague about this. both songs were recorded during DBTT. at one point Noel talked about a summer 2006 EP release. there's also an interview about the recording of the songs. apparently Paul McCartney was present when Gem or Andy recorded the bass track for TBWTB in L.A., which freaked them out. |
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Post by thuperthonic on Feb 18, 2011 13:19:03 GMT -5
You can hear The Boy With The Blues being played in some Don't Believe The Truth related video. Mono would know for sure which vid it is.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 18, 2011 13:55:47 GMT -5
Both are from DBTT era, didn't make into DOYS cos wouldn't fit well with the flow of the album.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 18, 2011 14:06:04 GMT -5
They don't sound like DGSS songs at all! BTWB sounds like it's from DBTT, and, well, it is......Frankly, most songs on DGSS don't sound anything like LAG's Oasis songs, bar 3RC which seems to be formed off of TNOR
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Post by hairy114 on Feb 18, 2011 14:15:49 GMT -5
I seem to think that if Oasis hadnt split, a good few of the songs from DGSS would of been on their next album. Take 5 or so out and replace them with Noels tracks and you pretty much have it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:59:51 GMT -5
I've said for months that Noel and Liam didn't just have a fight and break up Oasis by accident. Neither one of them cared to do it anymore, and they knew exactly what they were doing. If it was random, then it would have occurred at some other point during the tour, not the very last show.
Fight leads to to random break-up is a bullshit excuse they give the media, because them just hanging it up, wouldn't cut it. Right?
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Post by alwaysnow on Feb 18, 2011 15:01:07 GMT -5
You can hear The Boy With The Blues being played in some Don't Believe The Truth related video. Mono would know for sure which vid it is. This is true, it's on the documentary in the Lyla DVD single, towards the end, the band is playing without vocals the bit in the refrain. I would look for it in YouTube but I'm at work and it's blocked right now. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2011 15:11:58 GMT -5
Which leaves that question: how much input did Noel have on those two tracks ? Was the break up already there, in the recording sessions of DOYS ? I think Noel always had an input into Liam's songs. I think anyone who has played Liam's songs on guitar, always sees and hears Noel's imprint on them. Whether through Liam watching what Noel plays on his songs, or through Noel actually giving him advise. There are interviews where Noel talks about him and Gem working with Liam on his songwriting. And Noel saying that sometimes he gets a bit too impatient with Liam. But yeah, Noel's fingerprints can be found on everything that Liam as ever done. imo |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 18, 2011 19:09:29 GMT -5
Maybe what it really is is that this was the album that they were going to make before Noel wrote the tunes that got them to record something like DOYS instead of DBTT part 2.
Not the exact tunes...but the vibe that Andy in particular had been wanting to go for.
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 18, 2011 21:09:43 GMT -5
I've said for months that Noel and Liam didn't just have a fight and break up Oasis by accident. Neither one of them cared to do it anymore, and they knew exactly what they were doing. If it was random, then it would have occurred at some other point during the tour, not the very last show. Fight leads to to random break-up is a bullshit excuse they give the media, because them just hanging it up, wouldn't cut it. Right? Not sure I totally agree. I think Noel certainly knew what he was doing but I think that's the extent of it. There were also 3 gigs left I think, it was near the end but not the end. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 19, 2011 5:48:17 GMT -5
Maybe what it really is is that this was the album that they were going to make before Noel wrote the tunes that got them to record something like DOYS instead of DBTT part 2. Not the exact tunes...but the vibe that Andy in particular had been wanting to go for. Maybe, we cant know for sure that BWTB is indeed the DBTT version |
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Post by The Morning Son on Feb 19, 2011 8:23:59 GMT -5
You can hear The Boy With The Blues being played in some Don't Believe The Truth related video. Mono would know for sure which vid it is. Yeah its on one of the videos they did for DBTT, they call it an EPK dont they. Very similar to Gold and Silver and Sunshine, only this was footage from DBTT sessions and the badn talking about them. I wouldnt read to much into this. Over the past 5 year (2 albums), I think Noel did his b-sides with Paul Stacey (Strangeboy) with little help only from Gem and Terry Kirkbride. Liam, Gem & Andy on the other hand worked on Liam's and Gem's b-sides together at Wheeler End, sort of like a mini band. I suspect TBWTB and IBIA were left over from sessions in 2005/2006. A divide has been evident since DBTT especially with Noel, Liam and Andy. Gem has sort of drifted in between. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 19, 2011 8:29:35 GMT -5
You can hear The Boy With The Blues being played in some Don't Believe The Truth related video. Mono would know for sure which vid it is. Yeah its on one of the videos they did for DBTT, they call it an EPK dont they. Very similar to Gold and Silver and Sunshine, only this was footage from DBTT sessions and the badn talking about them. I wouldnt read to much into this. Over the past 5 year (2 albums), I think Noel did his b-sides with Paul Stacey (Strangeboy) with little help only from Gem and Terry Kirkbride. Liam, Gem & Andy on the other hand worked on Liam's and Gem's b-sides together at Wheeler End, sort of like a mini band. I suspect TBWTB and IBIA were left over from sessions in 2005/2006. A divide has been evident since DBTT especially with Noel, Liam and Andy. Gem has sort of drifted in between. Yeah that's what i'm hearing too in those two songs. especially in the guitars and drums. They sound like Noel wasnt there really. the guitars, especially, have that Gem sound. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 19, 2011 9:38:16 GMT -5
That's an interesting question. I generally feel that during DOYS it was almost like Noel and then Liam/Gem/Andy. Those recording sessions you mention (Boy With the Blues, I Believe in All) I suspect were not part of the DOYS main sessions because Jim Keltner subbed in for Zak. Keltner used to drum for Lennon and I wouldn't be surprised if they got Keltner through Zak. If these tracks were recorded with the rest of DOYS, Zak would have drummed on them. In addition, it doesn't sound like Noel singing backup. Similarly on tracks like Swollen Hand Blues, that is pretty much Noel solo. Oasis seemed to be a partitioned group during recording and touring of DOYS. I haven't heard DGSS yet so I can't really comment on how much it actually sonds like Boy With the Blues or I Believe in All. Well if you watch the 'Gold, Silver, & Sunshine' video from DOYS. It seems Noel did the majority of his demos alone, at least that's the impression I got. Which I think is understandable 'cause I would want to be alone with a song of mine so I could at least nail the basic concept. Getting other people's input can sometimes change your outlook on a song, which can be a good or bad thing. He demoed with Gem for DOYS. It was demoed in Gems house. |
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