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Post by thuperthonic on Feb 16, 2011 15:10:56 GMT -5
And trying to strip Liam's songs down to the core and saying it's just the production that makes them good or just the extra guitar solo or drum outro is ludicrous. The fact is they are parts of the song and can't be taken away. You think Noel had horns in mind at the end of The Masterplan when he wrote it? Or do you think he included the amazing guitar solo in Champagne Supernova when he was first strumming it on his acoustic guitar? No. But these were added later and the songs are better for it. So just enjoy it. Comparing horn accompaniment or a guitar solo to forcing completely different and unrelated song ideas together is ludicrous. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 16, 2011 15:24:44 GMT -5
And trying to strip Liam's songs down to the core and saying it's just the production that makes them good or just the extra guitar solo or drum outro is ludicrous. The fact is they are parts of the song and can't be taken away. You think Noel had horns in mind at the end of The Masterplan when he wrote it? Or do you think he included the amazing guitar solo in Champagne Supernova when he was first strumming it on his acoustic guitar? No. But these were added later and the songs are better for it. So just enjoy it. Comparing horn accompaniment or a guitar solo to forcing completely different and unrelated song ideas together is ludicrous. I'd also like to point out that The Masterplan sounds just great without horns. And the inclusion of things like horns or strings are instrumentation...not production. And a guitar solo is as part of a song as the basic chords...not an extra added bit. Both would have been written and been intended before recording. Noel knows in advance what songs he is going to put orchestras, choirs, strings, and horns on. He knew years in advance that AATW would have an orchestra and he's already said that RM is intended to have a choir. During the NME interview for DOYS Gem said that he thinks Noel knows the layers of his tunes and knows how he wants it all to go before they even start recording with a producer. He doesn't write a tune, record it and then realise something was missing and add a guitar solo or throw strings on when he hadn't considered it before... The production is decided later and it is very kind to the tunes on this album. It boosts their quality quite a bit! |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Feb 16, 2011 15:42:11 GMT -5
Mccartney's section doesn't have the FANTASTIC melody of lennon's section.If liam ever writes ANYTHING EVEN APPROACHING lennon's melody on that song.........noel should quit writing songs..... You're missing the point. I don't think McCartney's bit is "better" than Lennon's, the point is that it makes the song far better. If A Day In The Life was just Lennon's bits, it'd be a much weaker song, no matter how great the melody is. McCartney's bit is the little shift the song needed. Look, Tomorrow Never Knows was one of Lennon's best songs - it was one chord and one line of melody repeated for 3 minutes. But that was the exception, with Liam, it's the norm. And because it's the norm, it gets boring and annoying because it's no basic. It doesn't need massive, revolutionary changes, just little bits. The best songs are simple, not easy. The point with Liam's songs is that it's all or nothing. It's either NO melodic change like Morning Son or Two Of A Kind, or MASSIVE melodic changes like BOADC, or Wigwam. However, I don't find it frustrating as we already have two Beady Eye songwriters writing verse-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus. Liam's songs are genuinely bizarre and add colour. He's saved by, like you say, clever production and his natural gift. I'd be less inclined to shoehorn him into conventionality, rather just enjoy for what it is. |
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Post by ToneBender on Feb 17, 2011 8:14:33 GMT -5
He doesn't write a tune, record it and then realise something was missing and add a guitar solo or throw strings on when he hadn't considered it before... Aren't there numerous instances of Noel adding all of the guitar solos/fills when the song is nearly in the mixing stage? The wah wah part on the "Hello" outro comes to mind. I believe it was in "Getting High" that Owen Morris talks about how good of a guitarist Noel is because he would just stand in the control room with a guitar while the album was being mixed and start improvising guitar parts that would end up on the final mix. I also seem to recall reading press for a number of albums where Noel and Gem would add guitar parts separately, usually months after the rest of the album was recorded (often in Olympic Studios). |
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