Hmm I get what you all are saying. i'm just not a firm believer in that you have to stick to a universal songwriting structure standard to create something enjoyable. As mentioned there's many more elements than song structure to consider. I think if you just listen to it for what it is instead of picking it apart you'll see where the quote "it's not rocket science, it's rock n' roll" came from

possibly the only thing close to perfect on HC lol

THIS!

Here's how I'd describe many of Liam's songs - like A Day In The Life but without McCartney's part. All good, melody nicely sung, good production - the McCartney's bit completes the song. That's what I'm on about.

and all the la la la's and na na na's need to be put away.

Like both Liam and Noel said in the past that Liam had loads of songs but they where not finished. His songs sound like he didnt or couldnt write anymore lyrics and just had to keep repeating the same stuff over and over and..

I don't mind a 6 minute song with a great outro, but Liam seems to be using them as a security blanket more often than I want him too.

He maybe should have made a bunch of 3 minute songs on DGSS instead of what we got.

Who knows, maybe Gem influenced him more than we know on these decisions.

I can understand what people are saying here. But many people forget how we were all thinking 1 year ago. Why on earth should we compare Liam with his brother or even sir Mccartney?
This album is a lot better than everyone expected, I think few people 1 year ago thought the album would be as good as it is now. Is it an excuse to overpraise the album? No, of course not.

But I seriously believe the album, even disregarding the initial expectations, is very good. Of course it's not a classic, but it's a bloody pleasure listening to.

On first listen I was slightly disappointed with Wigwam & The Morning Son, even though I really liked them, but I also thought those 2 songs, especially The Morning Son had the potential of being a real classic.
I was frustrated because Liam kept repeating the same things and I was expecting it to go somewhere.
Now I've thrown away those frustrations and just enjoy it for what it is. I don't mind anymore that it doesn't go anywhere, because it's an amazing trip.
The ending of The Morning Son is almost orgasmic.
Same goes for Wigwam (even though I think TMS is slightly better)

I agree that the reason I love those 2 songs are 50% the amazing production and Chris' drumming, but what does that matter?
Just stop thinking how much better it could've been, and realize it also could've been much, much worser.
Just enjoy it for what it is, a very decent debut album.

What's all this "you have to have a complex structure to make an enjoyable song" malarky about? What's wrong with a simple catchy melody that lasts 3 minutes? That's what rock n roll was built on, that's the what the Beatles did, and Liam is pretty much the last person in the music industry (including Noel, Andy and Gem) who is still doing it, yet he gets slagged for it? IMO Liam has written the best songs on all of the last 3 Oasis songs (Songbird, BOADC, Love Like A Bomb, The meaning Of Soul (yes I love this song) I'm Outta Time) and there is nothing wrong with a catchy 3 minute pop tune to lighten the mood I agree he shouldn't try and drag the songs out though like with The Morning Son. I think that would have been great as a 3 minute acoustic ditty at the end of the album to wind things down.

EDIT: I may change by choice to Bag It Up as the best song on DOYS

This. A thousand times this.

I know Liam repeats his lyrics as TMS continues, but when he does with the added guitars and instruments past the 2min mark, the song just swells and soars. It's the best part of the song for me, and it's the perfect closer. Oasis struggled with closing their albums recently (SO was boring dross, LTBL never realized its potential, BM is just dirge....). TMS is one of Liam's finest songs to date.

Liam does need to develop more - his songs at times do come across as a bit incomplete, but that's not as obvious on DGSS. Although, while I do like Wigwam, I think he could have made the outro even more interesting and developed the song a bit better.

But you know what? His songs on DGSS are a joy to listen to, and that's really all that matters at the end of the day.

The problem in this thread is so many people are assuming that everyone's reacting the same way to each song. I have nothing against short, simple, songs. I have nothing against repeating lyrics. I have nothing against deviating from traditional song structure. And honestly, there's nothing "wrong" with DGSS. But the songs never get to that next level for me. The closest is Four Letter Word, but that's it.

I could write a 50-page paper on songwriting and structure and all that stuff with all that I've learned through listening and through writing hundreds of songs. But in the end what matters is what moves you. If this album (and Liam's songs on it) do that for you, then that's great. But it falls short of ever being great or even very good for me. It's solid. It's okay. But that's all (in my opinion).

And another thing, don't act like I'm just saying it doesn't stand up to the "classics" (whatever that means). Because I'm not saying that. I heard at least ten albums last year that blew me away and connected on that higher level. My favorite album of all time was released in 2008. Don't make excuses for BDI. If you think it stands up, fair enough. But don't say "Well, it's better than all that crap/rubbish they play on the radio". You're actually giving a very backhanded compliment. I don't think Liam, Andy, Gem, and Chris had a mission statement of "We're not going to settle for anything worse than Justin Bieber." So don't act like that's some sort of high praise, because it isn't.

I think I have been slightly misunderstood. I totally agree that Liam's songs need that cutting edge to take it from a good song to a great song and that he doesnt relly understand structures of theory.

The two points I wanted to make are that I think he has got better. From Little James to now on this album having put out Wigwam, For Anyone & The Morning Son.

And that he has a great talent at writing almost these beautiful love songs, some of the sentiments in these songs are amazing and could be so much better with the right structure and that 'little cherry to top them off'

For me though, he nailed Wigwam. The words are beautiful, it has that little muddled bit and then blends into some dreamy ending. Thats what Liam does best, floaty ballads.

I got it the first time friend.Of course it makes the song more complete,but the way you said it the first time,it was as though you meant that liam writes melodies as good as ADITL and they only need one more section to make them masterpieces.......