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Post by vespa on Feb 15, 2011 8:51:35 GMT -5
lillywhites done a great job with album as he always has done,dave sardy is a quality producer but at the end of the day noel was the man with final say in oasis post production,nothing got by him before relase date,i think noel was obsessed by making oasis rock all the time!!hence the reason he didnt want some of these track on oasis albums.listen for the alt waiting for the rapture,its alot better than the album version imo but noel opted for the rocked version which made it a decent song at best.he wanted oasis away from ballads and i think this did them abit,yet when he did produce something different like dont believe the truth it paid off massively
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 15, 2011 13:42:33 GMT -5
Anyone else notice the distortion on some songs, particularly Wigwam? I hope it's just from the quality of the rip and it won't be there on the CD
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Feb 16, 2011 9:42:31 GMT -5
Somebody in another thread mentioned how The La's ended their CD with "Looking Glass," another final track with heavy drumming, a la "The Morning Son," with Lillywhite at the helm. This dawned on me earlier - you can go back much further in time, back to 1980, and hear the similarities on XTC's "Black Sea" album. The final track on that is another 6+ minutes of wall to wall drumming - "Travels In Nihilon."
And while we're on the subject, there's "Like A Song" on U2's "War" album, not to mention the heavy drum sound on Marshall Crenshaw's entire "Field Day" album, those early Psychedelic Furs albums, etc. I think the man just loves the production of constant drum pounding.
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Post by wonderplan on Feb 16, 2011 10:41:50 GMT -5
Somebody in another thread mentioned how The La's ended their CD with "Looking Glass," another final track with heavy drumming, a la "The Morning Son," with Lillywhite at the helm. This dawned on me earlier - you can go back much further in time, back to 1980, and hear the similarities on XTC's "Black Sea" album. The final track on that is another 6+ minutes of wall to wall drumming - "Travels In Nihilon." And while we're on the subject, there's "Like A Song" on U2's "War" album, not to mention the heavy drum sound on Marshall Crenshaw's entire "Field Day" album, those early Psychedelic Furs albums, etc. I think the man just loves the production of constant drum pounding. godspeed to the sound of the pounding  |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 16, 2011 13:18:26 GMT -5
Somebody in another thread mentioned how The La's ended their CD with "Looking Glass," another final track with heavy drumming, a la "The Morning Son," with Lillywhite at the helm. This dawned on me earlier - you can go back much further in time, back to 1980, and hear the similarities on XTC's "Black Sea" album. The final track on that is another 6+ minutes of wall to wall drumming - "Travels In Nihilon." And while we're on the subject, there's "Like A Song" on U2's "War" album, not to mention the heavy drum sound on Marshall Crenshaw's entire "Field Day" album, those early Psychedelic Furs albums, etc. I think the man just loves the production of constant drum pounding. godspeed to the sound of the pounding And the Beat Goes on! |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2011 14:42:05 GMT -5
godspeed to the sound of the pounding And the Beat Goes on! La de da de deee La de da de daaa ;D |
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Post by jilliam on Feb 17, 2011 1:39:39 GMT -5
Somebody in another thread mentioned how The La's ended their CD with "Looking Glass," another final track with heavy drumming, a la "The Morning Son," with Lillywhite at the helm. This dawned on me earlier - you can go back much further in time, back to 1980, and hear the similarities on XTC's "Black Sea" album. The final track on that is another 6+ minutes of wall to wall drumming - "Travels In Nihilon." And while we're on the subject, there's "Like A Song" on U2's "War" album, not to mention the heavy drum sound on Marshall Crenshaw's entire "Field Day" album, those early Psychedelic Furs albums, etc. I think the man just loves the production of constant drum pounding. Also Morrissey's 1994 "Vauxhall & I" the final track "Speedway" heavy drumming and chainsaws close this marble of a gem. At the helm our boy Lillywhite. HIGHLY recommend it. |
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Feb 17, 2011 2:36:47 GMT -5
Somebody in another thread mentioned how The La's ended their CD with "Looking Glass," another final track with heavy drumming, a la "The Morning Son," with Lillywhite at the helm. This dawned on me earlier - you can go back much further in time, back to 1980, and hear the similarities on XTC's "Black Sea" album. The final track on that is another 6+ minutes of wall to wall drumming - "Travels In Nihilon." And while we're on the subject, there's "Like A Song" on U2's "War" album, not to mention the heavy drum sound on Marshall Crenshaw's entire "Field Day" album, those early Psychedelic Furs albums, etc. I think the man just loves the production of constant drum pounding. Also Morrissey's 1994 "Vauxhall & I" the final track "Speedway" heavy drumming and chainsaws close this marble of a gem. At the helm our boy Lillywhite. HIGHLY recommend it. Ya know, I feel ashamed having to admit this, especially being a teenager of the 80s that was into all of that alternative music back then, but I never could get into The Smiths all that much, or Morrissey. I know, I know...sacrilege! I think the problem was, after hearing Ian Curtis sing on Joy Division albums, nothing could compare to his misery. But if the opportunity arises, I will give it a listen. Thanks for the head's up. :-) |
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Post by The Morning Son on Feb 17, 2011 5:53:49 GMT -5
Look I've said it before and I'll say it again that both producers are very good at what they do.
Lillywhite wouldn't have been able to handle DOYS because its all heavy layered, drop d rock'n'roll and this is light on its feet pop rock.
Sardy nailed DOYS as he was the right man and got the tracks to sound dark and heavy and flow, Lillywhite nailed this because he got a very clean and light record with the odd explosion of noise.
One thing that would have interested me is if Lillywhite had been given the songs from DBTT and that record had been done by him and the band in one studio like the last two records....that could have been even better than it was.
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Post by Leezy on Feb 17, 2011 8:16:29 GMT -5
Hmmm, dunno if I'm the only one, isn't there anyone that is the least bit curious to hear how the early version of DBTT sounded with Death In Vegas producing it? I kinda imagine it sounded very different from Sardys final version, a lot more softer and separated most probably...
Lillywhite did a pretty good job with this album, certainly a lot less aggressive n more commercial sounding than Sardys way of producing, certainly suits the feel of the album more. I guess the album is kinda similar to DBTT, Lillywhite would have probably been a better choice than Sardy for that one, but DOYS definitely needed Sardys raw n heavy production style for it.
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Post by jilliam on Feb 18, 2011 15:28:14 GMT -5
Also Morrissey's 1994 "Vauxhall & I" the final track "Speedway" heavy drumming and chainsaws close this marble of a gem. At the helm our boy Lillywhite. HIGHLY recommend it. Ya know, I feel ashamed having to admit this, especially being a teenager of the 80s that was into all of that alternative music back then, but I never could get into The Smiths all that much, or Morrissey. I know, I know...sacrilege! I think the problem was, after hearing Ian Curtis sing on Joy Division albums, nothing could compare to his misery. But if the opportunity arises, I will give it a listen. Thanks for the head's up. :-) O-M-G! I'm about to revoke your "cool" card on account of this.lolol. Love me some JoyDivison, LOVE them. Morrissey was cutting his teeth round them days. Smiths- Meat Is Murder, Queen Is Dead, Rank (on account that its a live cd and The Smiths were a phenomenal live band) Moz solo- Bona Drag (great mix of his early singles) Your Arsenal, Vauxhall and You Are the Quarry. For me, Lillywhites work on Vauxhall is unsurpassable, really a brilliant album to listen to. Your Arsenal had Mick Ronson (RIP) at the helm, not as good as Vauxhall, IMO but, great album as well. |
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Feb 18, 2011 19:45:23 GMT -5
Ya know, I feel ashamed having to admit this, especially being a teenager of the 80s that was into all of that alternative music back then, but I never could get into The Smiths all that much, or Morrissey. I know, I know...sacrilege! I think the problem was, after hearing Ian Curtis sing on Joy Division albums, nothing could compare to his misery. But if the opportunity arises, I will give it a listen. Thanks for the head's up. :-) O-M-G! I'm about to revoke your "cool" card on account of this.lolol. Love me some JoyDivison, LOVE them. Morrissey was cutting his teeth round them days. Smiths- Meat Is Murder, Queen Is Dead, Rank (on account that its a live cd and The Smiths were a phenomenal live band) Moz solo- Bona Drag (great mix of his early singles) Your Arsenal, Vauxhall and You Are the Quarry. For me, Lillywhites work on Vauxhall is unsurpassable, really a brilliant album to listen to. Your Arsenal had Mick Ronson (RIP) at the helm, not as good as Vauxhall, IMO but, great album as well. You mean Mick "Ziggy Stardust" Ronson? Great guitar player, may he R.I.P. (best Bowie album too, IMO) Honestly though, I am more of a straightforward alternative fan - I prefer bands like XTC, The Replacements, The Hoodoo Gurus, REM, The Ramones, and Midnight Oil over bands like The Smiths. But wow, Joy Division took it all to another level. |
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Post by jilliam on Feb 18, 2011 21:51:44 GMT -5
O-M-G! I'm about to revoke your "cool" card on account of this.lolol. Love me some JoyDivison, LOVE them. Morrissey was cutting his teeth round them days. Smiths- Meat Is Murder, Queen Is Dead, Rank (on account that its a live cd and The Smiths were a phenomenal live band) Moz solo- Bona Drag (great mix of his early singles) Your Arsenal, Vauxhall and You Are the Quarry. For me, Lillywhites work on Vauxhall is unsurpassable, really a brilliant album to listen to. Your Arsenal had Mick Ronson (RIP) at the helm, not as good as Vauxhall, IMO but, great album as well. You mean Mick "Ziggy Stardust" Ronson? Great guitar player, may he R.I.P. (best Bowie album too, IMO) Honestly though, I am more of a straightforward alternative fan - I prefer bands like XTC, The Replacements, The Hoodoo Gurus, REM, The Ramones, and Midnight Oil over bands like The Smiths. But wow, Joy Division took it all to another level. DANG!!! You're name dropping some fuckin kick ass bands, IMO, Ramones, Replacements, fuckin, Hoodoo Gurus, my god, I thought nobody but me knew them bands. My love affair with the Smiths began by complete accident, Johnny's guitar, hooks, chords the lot, that captured me. As time went by Morrissey's lyrics just started to make sense. One of my Smiths stand outs was "Ask", which by coincidence Lillywhite put the magic to. Blissfully one of my fave Smiths tracks. Give it time. |
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Feb 19, 2011 2:27:46 GMT -5
You mean Mick "Ziggy Stardust" Ronson? Great guitar player, may he R.I.P. (best Bowie album too, IMO) Honestly though, I am more of a straightforward alternative fan - I prefer bands like XTC, The Replacements, The Hoodoo Gurus, REM, The Ramones, and Midnight Oil over bands like The Smiths. But wow, Joy Division took it all to another level. DANG!!! You're name dropping some fuckin kick ass bands, IMO, Ramones, Replacements, fuckin, Hoodoo Gurus, my god, I thought nobody but me knew them bands. My love affair with the Smiths began by complete accident, Johnny's guitar, hooks, chords the lot, that captured me. As time went by Morrissey's lyrics just started to make sense. One of my Smiths stand outs was "Ask", which by coincidence Lillywhite put the magic to. Blissfully one of my fave Smiths tracks. Give it time. HA! I saw The Ramones, Replacements, and Hoodoo Gurus a total of 12 times. I was well educated in my youth :-) |
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Post by dennizz on Feb 20, 2011 2:27:59 GMT -5
I second that. It'll be a huge let down if Noel works with him on his solo album. Sardy will be 96 years old when Noel decides to start recording man |
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