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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 8, 2011 8:56:47 GMT -5
At first it was great. 650,000+ people downloaded Bring The Light (whether you think that was the right choice of song to release is a different matter). Then Four Letter word a month later with a b-side.
But since then, the way The Roller has been promoted is shameful. How can anyone justify the download only release? It's pretty obvious taht the Oasis fanbase, which is also the Beady Eye fanbase, buy physical copies in large amounts. Correct me if im wrong but in 2005 downloads didnt count towards the charts and all the Oasis singles charted superbly. even if im wrong about that, 4,000 BTL vinyls, 4,000 FLW vinyls and a limited amount of TR vinyls sold out instantly. That shows that's where their fanbase buy the records.
I just don't understand the lack of advertising as well! Put a billboard up with BABY COME ON across it, anything! Just promote the band! I think the way they have promoted things over the last few months is nothing more than pathetic.
However it should pick up in the next few weeks with the Abbey Road live performance etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 9:43:07 GMT -5
The issue with large amounts of promotion is that people already have a preconceived idea of what they are getting into with Beady Eye. They are familiar with Liam, Gem, and Andy, so throwing Beady Eye out there in everyone's face would most likely just piss people off, and get annoying.
However, they could have planned out releases a bit better. Mostly, it is my personal belief that they have been sitting on this thing for too long. The fans that would buy the record regardless of wether they've heard it or not are now starting to grow tired of the waiting game. What we have now is an album that cannot possibly live up to the hype that they have created for themselves by sitting on it for this long. (i.e. SOTSOG, Chinese Democracy)
Once people are made aware that you have new music, they want it then, not six to ten months later! That's why The Beatles , who Liam idealizes, were releasing new music almost monthly for the first number of years, and then it dropped off to at least a couple of releases a year. It is shameful that bands think it wise to sit around flapping their gums about a release that no one knows anything about.
If it is as good as you say, then let us have it!!
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Post by gdforever on Feb 8, 2011 12:12:06 GMT -5
^ I agree
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 8, 2011 12:24:37 GMT -5
I think you're both right. It's a good thing Liam said he wants to get the second album out soon - we had to wait far too long for this one.
The main problem I have with BDI's marketing is the lack of CD singles. I won't download a song for money if I can get it for free (legally), but I would have bought a CD single without a doubt.
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Post by putthisin ® on Feb 8, 2011 12:37:42 GMT -5
I agree, it's a disgrace.
A leak would work better than their shitty promotion
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Post by alwaysnow on Feb 8, 2011 12:41:07 GMT -5
Oasis split only a year and a half ago (in fact, Feb 28th will be exactly 18 months since the split, curious fact there), so I really don't think that this record has taken too long to be released. They have other responsibilities and things to take into account: family, touring, schedules and stuff we don't know of, so that's probably why they chose to release it this month instead of, say, November 2010.
Regarding the marketing, I don't know, the people who were going to be interested in Beady Eye are the ones following them in the internet, watching the videos on Youtube and downloading the tracks, so I don't think it makes too much difference.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 8, 2011 13:17:46 GMT -5
^ but Liam has been talking about having new music for almost a year. I think it wouldn't have gone amiss to keep a strategic silence until you are ready to release something. We have been actively anticipating this for like 8 months because he kept talking about it like they were going to push it out soon and they were working really hard on it and were going to get it done dead quick. You can only maintain suspense for so long with just talk.
With them not doing any gigs before the album drops their other types of promotion should have been bigger to create hype and awareness for those that haven't been following his goings on with bated breath.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 8, 2011 13:43:13 GMT -5
^ but Liam has been talking about having new music for almost a year. I think it wouldn't have gone amiss to keep a strategic silence until you are ready to release something. We have been actively anticipating this for like 8 months because he kept talking about it like they were going to push it out soon and they were working really hard on it and were going to get it done dead quick. You can only maintain suspense for so long with just talk. With them not doing any gigs before the album drops their other types of promotion should have been bigger to create hype and awareness for those that haven't been following his goings on with bated breath. lol 'strategic' silence, I pretty glad Liam isn't that contrived tbh. He seems up for it and he wants to talk about it. If he had been utterly silent people would be taking shots at that. I think they've done quite well with it except TR not being done as a physical release. In a world of instant gratification November seems long ago but for me it hasn't been long at all and its been building up pretty nicely. 18 months isn't a long time, they did work hard and got it done without much fuss. We've been getting tunes for three months and the album is out in two weeks. You could hardly say they've been running on talk. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 8, 2011 14:06:56 GMT -5
^^I would agree with that.
Perfect example is what's happening with Noel. Noel hasnt said much of anything and yet people are taking shots at him for not doing more. In the end, you cant please everyone.
Though I will say that I wish they had done a bit more promotion. I'm just as excited for this release as I was say about 2 or 3 months ago. Seems like we've been counting down to this for a pretty long time.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 8, 2011 16:53:30 GMT -5
^ but Liam has been talking about having new music for almost a year. I think it wouldn't have gone amiss to keep a strategic silence until you are ready to release something. We have been actively anticipating this for like 8 months because he kept talking about it like they were going to push it out soon and they were working really hard on it and were going to get it done dead quick. You can only maintain suspense for so long with just talk. With them not doing any gigs before the album drops their other types of promotion should have been bigger to create hype and awareness for those that haven't been following his goings on with bated breath. lol 'strategic' silence, I pretty glad Liam isn't that contrived tbh. He seems up for it and he wants to talk about it. If he had been utterly silent people would be taking shots at that. I think they've done quite well with it except TR not being done as a physical release. In a world of instant gratification November seems long ago but for me it hasn't been long at all and its been building up pretty nicely. 18 months isn't a long time, they did work hard and got it done without much fuss. We've been getting tunes for three months and the album is out in two weeks. You could hardly say they've been running on talk. I don't think it's contrived to not go on about stuff when it doesn't benefit you to. As far as the running on talk goes...what I meant was that they aren't doing gigs like a real new band would have. They are just putting out singles and then doing interviews...not even any radio performances thus far even though they have been gearing up for 3 months. |
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Post by barnafin95 on Feb 8, 2011 17:01:33 GMT -5
Each single seems to have got slightly less successful each time, they needed to release FLW first as a statement of intent. And this bollocks about free downloads and previewing songs weeks before theyre available, then the vinyl-only releases, is really hurting sales. I reckon they need to get some adverts on the telly proclaiming them as 'Liam Gallagher from Oasis' new band'. As much as it will hurt Liams pride, it would pull in the masses  At least theyve done a pretty good job of keeping the album under wraps  in other words: beady eye's marketing strategy = shit. |
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Post by stillspeeding on Feb 8, 2011 18:03:23 GMT -5
I doubt Liam and co. give a shit what the marketing strategy is like , they are getting enough money in to keep the bank manager happy . Liam also has pretty green to boost income so to me all they care about is having fun and making some good music. Who cares about chart positions or how many albums they sell ? they arn't in it for that anymore , they've been there done that ! Roll on the gigs |
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Post by songbirdsally on Feb 8, 2011 18:11:55 GMT -5
I doubt Liam and co. give a shit what the marketing strategy is like , they are getting enough money in to keep the bank manager happy . Liam also has pretty green to boost income so to me all they care about is having fun and making some good music. Who cares about chart positions or how many albums they sell ? they arn't in it for that anymore , they've been there done that ! Roll on the gigs Exactly If they would advert like "Liam Gallagher from Oasis' new band" it would be ridiculous. First of all it is discrimination to the other members of the band, and second of all, it's really lowering yourself. I'm really happy he didn't do that. But I do agree that the vinyl-only release was stupid. And they should have released the video, vinlyl and download of The Roller on the same day. |
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Post by danscouse on Feb 8, 2011 18:14:52 GMT -5
You've had loads of new stuff from beady eye
Website
Bring the light
Bring the light video
Album travklisting
Four letter word
Sons of the stage
Sons of the stage video
The roller
The roller video
World outside my room
The "leaked" album snippets
And two of a kind is on it's way
Followed by the album
The initial tour dates announced
The secondary tour dates announced
Tct gig announced
Album artwork revealed
Loads of interviews, reviews
Abbey road special
All in the space of a few months. And some of tou complain about them "sitting on the album". Cheeky fuckers And most of will download the record for free anyway
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Feb 8, 2011 20:07:18 GMT -5
We'd still be waiting another year for a new Oasis record. Be grateful for small mercies. The reason why I wasn't upset about the Oasis split is because I knew Liam would be more prolific and the end result is more music. There's always an issue about quality over quantity, but Dig Out Your Soul was a disappointing last album, so it's not a given that Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher can't release enough quality music.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 20:30:18 GMT -5
I don't mind the wait, but the teasing of material is total bullshit.
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 8, 2011 22:48:07 GMT -5
I think they've been pretty good about getting material out. As someone said, 18 months since the split and we'll have a new album with 3 bsides, 4 if you count the new Man of Misery. That's just fine with me.
The one thing that baffles me if the Roller release "Strategy". I don't actully care for the 'masses who could be swept in' by BDI's music, if they don't get it, its their loss. What gets me is the single download being available a month before the single download with the bside. If there's no physical single, they should just put the 2 tracks as a digital single on itunes as soon as the video comes out.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Feb 8, 2011 22:57:46 GMT -5
They should've released a CD single and promoted it much more actively. There's no point in releasing a single if it is released on vinyl; obviously fewer people are buying it and consequently charting low. The lead single at #31? People disinterested in Oasis will be seeing BDI as a pathetic leftover band and ignore them. They should've at least tried to make it chart in the Top 10 to sell more albums and improve their images.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 8, 2011 23:27:30 GMT -5
Didn't Liam and Gem just say(in that italian radio interview)that they no longer have any "promoting department" or something along those lines?
that would explain a lot. lol
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Post by shinpad on Feb 9, 2011 0:05:46 GMT -5
Comparing a year and a half between Oasis' split and the album being released to Chinese Democracy!?! The album that was 15 years after the last GnR album, and 18 years after the last GnR album of original material!?
;D
LOL
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Feb 9, 2011 6:51:09 GMT -5
One thing I don't understand is the clamoring for CD singles. I know people in the UK have always bought them more than here, but are singles really still released in that format in 2011?
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2011 14:23:03 GMT -5
There could be for promo via their website. If they could justify sending out vinyls...why not a CD? Most people that want a hard copy will have a CD player...but many of us don't own record players.
Then we could get proper artwork and the b-sides legally.
Maybe it isn't feasible for the music business @ large...but I think that BDI would have enough interest to justify it.
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Post by jlzoasis on Feb 9, 2011 22:03:07 GMT -5
We'd still be waiting another year for a new Oasis record. Be grateful for small mercies. The reason why I wasn't upset about the Oasis split is because I knew Liam would be more prolific and the end result is more music. There's always an issue about quality over quantity, but Dig Out Your Soul was a disappointing last album, so it's not a given that Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher can't release enough quality music. agreed. What the real shame is that Noel Gallagher says his solo album is coming out LATER then sooner, I am completely grateful to have music. I really don't get the angst about it all...we have something to talk about! and I am completely grateful... |
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Post by thuperthonic on Feb 10, 2011 2:40:17 GMT -5
Didn't Liam and Gem just say(in that italian radio interview)that they no longer have any "promoting department" or something along those lines? that would explain a lot. lol Gem actually said they don't have a "marketing department" which makes this thread all the more moot. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 10, 2011 3:25:54 GMT -5
Didn't Oasis have a marketing department?
I know that BDI probably don't need as big a team as Oasis...but shouldn't they have kept someone on?
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