doco
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Feb 4, 2011 6:34:02 GMT -5
Post by doco on Feb 4, 2011 6:34:02 GMT -5
According to an article SCYHO this is who wrote each track.
Andy Bell: Four Letter Word, Millionaire, Kill For A Dream and The Beat Goes On.
Gem Archer: The Roller, Wind Up Dream, Standing On The Edge Of The Noise and Three Ring Circus.
Liam Gallagher : Bring The Light, Beatles And Stones, For Anyone, Wigwam and The Morning Son.
Does "Four Letter Word" take on a different meaning now that Andy wrote and not Liam. It was heavily speculated to be written about Noel
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Feb 4, 2011 6:36:27 GMT -5
Post by deasy on Feb 4, 2011 6:36:27 GMT -5
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Feb 4, 2011 6:40:59 GMT -5
Post by King Blougaredoc on Feb 4, 2011 6:40:59 GMT -5
Come on i was expecting something like
So... the album has leaked, go find it!
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Feb 4, 2011 7:15:25 GMT -5
Post by putthisin ® on Feb 4, 2011 7:15:25 GMT -5
Come on i was expecting something like So... the album has leaked, go find it! Well, it's imminent anyway
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Feb 4, 2011 7:18:49 GMT -5
Post by oneeye on Feb 4, 2011 7:18:49 GMT -5
with Andy writing FLW, you get the feeling (if it IS about Noel), then maybe HE holds the biggest grudge against Noel?
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Feb 4, 2011 7:18:49 GMT -5
Post by King Blougaredoc on Feb 4, 2011 7:18:49 GMT -5
Come on i was expecting something like So... the album has leaked, go find it! Well, it's imminent anyway If you say so...
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Feb 4, 2011 7:25:23 GMT -5
Post by bonkers on Feb 4, 2011 7:25:23 GMT -5
with Andy writing FLW, you get the feeling (if it IS about Noel), then maybe HE holds the biggest grudge against Noel? think its about his ex wife tbh
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Feb 4, 2011 7:43:32 GMT -5
Post by 0as1s on Feb 4, 2011 7:43:32 GMT -5
Jesus christ looking at the list like that it really becomes apparent that while Gem is a good musician, he is utter shite at writing music. The Roller (which I'm presuming is going to be his best effort, taking into account the full version of B&S and the previews of the other two) is a song originating from HC era right? So in 10 years (Oasis and BDI combined) that's his best attempt? Leave it to Liam and Andy (going off 4LW & the reviews, his songs are going to be really strong) lad.
Edit - Just realised B&S is a Liam effort so I'll take that back, however I think my point still stands tbf.
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Feb 4, 2011 7:45:17 GMT -5
Post by King Blougaredoc on Feb 4, 2011 7:45:17 GMT -5
The reviews say Three ring circus is a good pub rock song too
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Feb 4, 2011 8:20:43 GMT -5
Post by SunshineLullaby on Feb 4, 2011 8:20:43 GMT -5
Jesus christ looking at the list like that it really becomes apparent that while Gem is a good musician, he is utter shite at writing music. The Roller (which I'm presuming is going to be his best effort, taking into account the full version of B&S and the previews of the other two) is a song originating from HC era right? So in 10 years (Oasis and BDI combined) that's his best attempt? Leave it to Liam and Andy (going off 4LW & the reviews, his songs are going to be really strong) lad. Edit - Just realised B&S is a Liam effort so I'll take that back, however I think my point still stands tbf. So we've heard 1 of his 4 songs, you admit it's a good song, and conclude he needs to give up writing songs? I see you got from point A to B, but I'm not sure what happened in the middle.
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Feb 4, 2011 9:08:41 GMT -5
Post by 0as1s on Feb 4, 2011 9:08:41 GMT -5
Jesus christ looking at the list like that it really becomes apparent that while Gem is a good musician, he is utter shite at writing music. The Roller (which I'm presuming is going to be his best effort, taking into account the full version of B&S and the previews of the other two) is a song originating from HC era right? So in 10 years (Oasis and BDI combined) that's his best attempt? Leave it to Liam and Andy (going off 4LW & the reviews, his songs are going to be really strong) lad. Edit - Just realised B&S is a Liam effort so I'll take that back, however I think my point still stands tbf. So we've heard 1 of his 4 songs, you admit it's a good song, and conclude he needs to give up writing songs? I see you got from point A to B, but I'm not sure what happened in the middle. His output for Oasis was dreadful. IMO TBWTL is his best song, which in itself is dirge on record, luckily they got it together live and added some depth to it with the guitars. The studio version just doesn't go anywhere. SOTEOTN and TRC sound pretty average to me, not one publication has picked either of them as standouts in their respective reviews and the 30 second previews were hardly anything to get excited by. I know it's easy for you to say I'm judging my opinions on 30 seconds clips, which to an extent is true, however my initial thoughts on those were that Wigwam and The Beat Goes on sounded very strong (check my post history), with this in mind + the reviews stating as much I'm going to trust my gut feelings on them. Of course if it turns out Gem's offerings are in fact the bollocks I will fully retract my statement, until then I'm pretty confident that I'm right on this one.
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Feb 4, 2011 9:59:25 GMT -5
Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 4, 2011 9:59:25 GMT -5
I think Andy always was the better songwriter of the two in Oasis tbh. He wrote TUTS and Keep the Dream Alive - two of the best songs on the album, if not the best. Gem's songs were average. However, calling Gem's songwriting shit is an exaggeration - The Roller is a great, great song, BDI's first single and a good songwriting effort. Also, Wind Up Dream and Three Ring Circus don't seem to be the filler tracks on the album, even if they do sound a bit plain from the previews. SOTEOTN is a total Beatles ripoff but it has more energy than most songs on DOYS or HC. Let's just wait for the album before making conclusions.
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Feb 4, 2011 17:21:15 GMT -5
Post by mkoasis on Feb 4, 2011 17:21:15 GMT -5
I've always looked forward to Andy and Gem's contributions to Oasis albums. From HIABP and TYFTGT, I've been big fans of their Oasis work. I get it some people don't like it, but they've really added another dimension to Oasis' albums to me.
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Feb 4, 2011 19:55:07 GMT -5
Post by BlueJay on Feb 4, 2011 19:55:07 GMT -5
I always thought Andy was wasting his creative talents in Oasis. He went from creating/writing brilliant music and vibes in Ride, to playing 3 different root bass notes at a rate of one note every 3 seconds for Oasis.
So, of course his songs have livened up recent Oasis albums even though he should be writing better songs considering what he's capable of. Gem on the other hand seems to be content with writing average songs that he tries to make sound like Oasis songs, as if noel's told him in what style to write them. Had he just ignored this and wrote whatever came into his head, his output could have been much more sophisticated.
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Feb 8, 2011 9:58:30 GMT -5
Post by mezmerised on Feb 8, 2011 9:58:30 GMT -5
Does "Four Letter Word" take on a different meaning now that Andy wrote and not Liam. It was heavily speculated to be written about Noel I still think it's about Noel and also that Andy wanted to make it seem as if the lyrics are written from Liam's perspective. For me, the whole song makes perfect sense if it's supposed to describe Noel from Liam's pov. But especially the "nothing ever lasts forever" line + the way Liam sings it makes it really obvious because it alludes to LF and to the "we go on forever" line in GGTIA. I somehow doubt that this is all just a big coincidence in a song that is actually about Andy's ex-wife. But if that's the case then at the very least Andy must have been aware that a lot of people will misinterpret the song and he kept it like that on purpose.
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Feb 8, 2011 10:17:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 10:17:58 GMT -5
Andy = Beady Eye's Noel
amirite or amirite
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Feb 8, 2011 10:27:35 GMT -5
Post by uboasis on Feb 8, 2011 10:27:35 GMT -5
Does "Four Letter Word" take on a different meaning now that Andy wrote and not Liam. It was heavily speculated to be written about Noel I still think it's about Noel and also that Andy wanted to make it seem as if the lyrics are written from Liam's perspective. For me, the whole song makes perfect sense if it's supposed to describe Noel from Liam's pov. But especially the "nothing ever lasts forever" line + the way Liam sings it makes it really obvious because it alludes to LF and to the "we go on forever" line in GGTIA. I somehow doubt that this is all just a big coincidence in a song that is actually about Andy's ex-wife. But if that's the case then at the very least Andy must have been aware that a lot of people will misinterpret the song and he kept it like that on purpose. It was confirmed that FLW was written during the Oasis era (probably one of the 4 songs Andy wrote rejected for DOYS). Unless he was predicting the break-up of the band, it was not about Noel.
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Post by jilliam on Feb 8, 2011 11:43:43 GMT -5
Andy = Beady Eye's Noel amirite or amirite Yup yup.
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Feb 8, 2011 11:50:30 GMT -5
Post by Marcos on Feb 8, 2011 11:50:30 GMT -5
I still think it's about Noel and also that Andy wanted to make it seem as if the lyrics are written from Liam's perspective. For me, the whole song makes perfect sense if it's supposed to describe Noel from Liam's pov. But especially the "nothing ever lasts forever" line + the way Liam sings it makes it really obvious because it alludes to LF and to the "we go on forever" line in GGTIA. I somehow doubt that this is all just a big coincidence in a song that is actually about Andy's ex-wife. But if that's the case then at the very least Andy must have been aware that a lot of people will misinterpret the song and he kept it like that on purpose. It was confirmed that FLW was written during the Oasis era (probably one of the 4 songs Andy wrote rejected for DOYS). Unless he was predicting the break-up of the band, it was not about Noel. Or maybe Four Letter Word IS a new song and they made up this story about it being from the DOYS era just not to make Andy's anger/hate (or whatever it is) so obvious
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Feb 8, 2011 11:55:19 GMT -5
Post by Bellboy on Feb 8, 2011 11:55:19 GMT -5
....It feels like I've blown a 50 amp fuse.
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Feb 8, 2011 12:41:34 GMT -5
Post by mezmerised on Feb 8, 2011 12:41:34 GMT -5
It was confirmed that FLW was written during the Oasis era (probably one of the 4 songs Andy wrote rejected for DOYS). Unless he was predicting the break-up of the band, it was not about Noel. Or maybe Four Letter Word IS a new song and they made up this story about it being from the DOYS era just not to make Andy's anger/hate (or whatever it is) so obvious Ha, I kind of agree with that, except that I don't think the song is about Andy's feelings. I mean, why would Andy care if Noel is acting all grown up & also I don't think that Andy had any particular plans for him and Noel to go on forever ;D And I don't see the feelings in the song as completely negative but actually a lot more ambiguous. It's a cool song, I really like the lyrics and it would be a bit of a shame if it turns out that it really, definitely has nothing to do with Noel. But even if it wasn't originally written about him they must have known that releasing it as a Beady Eye song after the end of Oasis will give FLW a new meaning. You cant release a song with the message that nothing lasts forever after the breakup of your old band (that happened to have a signature song called Live Forever) and not expect people to pick up on that.
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Feb 8, 2011 13:18:18 GMT -5
Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 8, 2011 13:18:18 GMT -5
They should have sung "Nothing ever lasts forever" to the tune of "Nobody ever mentions the weather...." Also, this would be such a big coincidence if FLW had nothing to do with Noel. That doesn't mean it is about Noel, of course, but the lyrics match up perfectly with the situation regarding the split
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Post by gdforever on Feb 8, 2011 13:26:01 GMT -5
Even if the words weren't originally written about Noel there is nothing saying that Liam doesn't sing them about Noel. The writers intention doesn't always correspond with the singers interpretations.
I remember Liam once saying that when he sang "I live my life for the stars that shine" he thinks of the fans as the stars. Noel just laughed and said that he had actually meant cosmological stars when he wrote that line.
The meanings of lyrics and the way that you hear them can change with experiences as well.
It's possible that some of the lyrics have been changed over the past year as well.
But at the end of the day they are the type of lyrics I like. Vague and therefore fitting with an infinite number of relationships. Any relationship that has ever ended could probably be recognized in those lyrics.
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