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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 22, 2011 18:26:42 GMT -5
I do remember going somewhere with my uncle the day AFTER the split and he said he heard it on the news "ahh we both know they will get back together next month or something" - "na ste, won't happen...you heard what he said in his statement, something wentt down big time between Noel and Liam"
Looking back, I do think that it was proberly several things coming together and the fight in Paris being the straw that broke the camels back as someone said. I do think at one point Noel would have been questioning Liams commitment to Oasis (the whole recording thing and Pretty Green) and I also wouldn't rule out Noel being shoved and pretty much brusing his ribs (or whatever it was) having an effect. I have always thought that he felt they didn't realise just how bad it was and it might have had a small pshycological effect on him maybe? Hence him travelling and everything separte because, I think Noel wouldn't want anybody else being able to see how much it actually is hurting. I have always thought Noel was the kind of person who would hide away any pain and put it into songwriting rather than talking it over.
So then we come to the Heaton Park gigs and, looking back Noel didn't excatly look comfortable at the gig I was at. No real interaction until his part of the set. Just, dunno can't explain it. However I do think by this point the end was already neigh and it was only a matter of time
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Post by uboasis on Jan 22, 2011 18:33:19 GMT -5
I'm actually really happy Oasis broke up. They had almost become two separate bands anyway in recent years and now we'll just get more music. More importantly, for those who love Liam they'll get their first All Liam album since Definitely Maybe. Those who love Noel's songwriting and singing, for the first time will have a full album's worth of songs.
Those who wanted to see Liam and Noel change their sound will be happy.
Even better because of both artists being separate, we'll get constant interesting news stories that started from the news about the BTL video, which will end with the end of Noel's tour. We're in for an interesting 12-24 months.
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Post by liamisgod125 on Jan 22, 2011 18:37:29 GMT -5
Watch this video from the MELT festival in 2009, watch at 1.53 when noel crys...its so sad. Makes me think he knew the end was coming..
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 22, 2011 18:47:56 GMT -5
Don't think he cried during that, just a bit down and a bit upset. Maybe his ribs was hurting, we don't know. Though I would go with the idea he could tell the end was round the corner
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Post by Marcos on Jan 22, 2011 18:48:11 GMT -5
When was that Ricky Hatton fight that Noel and Liam gave him the belt? November 2008?
1:41
Liam seemed to wanna say or make a little joke but Noel completely ignored him lol
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Jan 22, 2011 19:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by The Morning Son on Jan 22, 2011 19:11:02 GMT -5
Sometimes a rock star needs to look bizarre, otherwise they could just look like a big standard geezer and then there would be no awe or no attraction.
I think he looks pretty good, in the FLW video he looks cooler than he has for years.
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Post by ruchin on Jan 22, 2011 19:23:11 GMT -5
Watch this video from the MELT festival in 2009, watch at 1.53 when noel crys...its so sad. Makes me think he knew the end was coming.. Id never seen that before, i think he is crying, they must have had an argument cos liam seems pretty angry and is shaking his head.y Hes either crying or trying to hold in a masiive burp. Great song!!! |
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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 22, 2011 19:34:10 GMT -5
When was that Ricky Hatton fight that Noel and Liam gave him the belt? November 2008? 1:41 Liam seemed to wanna say or make a little joke but Noel completely ignored him lol Hmm he seems to be pointing towards the front of the door, not towards Noel. That's how I see it anyway:) |
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Post by sultrysummer on Jan 23, 2011 1:50:46 GMT -5
Can't help but feel like a detective ;D Just to comment on some of the detective work already done here + some additions - the Glasgow gigs took place in early Nov 2008. Noel was not at the same hotel as the rest of the band as he was with his in-laws (who I think live in Glasgow) - the Ricky Hutton match was on Nov 22nd 2008. Noel and Liam must have been on reasonably good terms then to do that belt thing together - re: the airport scene in Las Vegas in Nov 2008, when Noel emerges I think Liam is saying something like "that is my brother", but Noel just shrugs off and has no interest in either the hangers-on or Liam - as for the alleged "Noel crying at an airport" scene ( "he doesn't travel with me any more"), the quote is from December 2008 - in the April 2009 Q Oasis feature, there is a part which shows that Liam didn't approve of - and seemed quite jealous of - Noel's entourage & choice of friends, in particular Russell Brand and his circle. This got worse and worse as 2009 wore on, with Liam's quite malicious tweets and such. This incident is from January 2009: "Matt Morgan (Russell Brand's writing partner) and a friend have travelled over to visit Noel. As they stand in the adjacent pool-room... they are being spied on. Liam Gallagher is peeking around a pillar quizzically staring at the back of Noel's head. He shrugs in agitation at Gem. 'Who's Noel with? Who's he with?' That's Matt Morg... 'I know who he is. I've met him but I've never been introduced. Who are you with, Noel? Oh, just a couple of guys. Couple of guys?! Couple of guys!!"" Still, I think the seeds of the split were planted around early 2008, and had something to do with both the difficulties/general bad feeling at the LA studio sessions and Liam's "secret" marriage (although no one seems to agree with me about the significance of the latter:-)). |
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Post by BEng on Jan 23, 2011 9:39:19 GMT -5
I'm going to buy this tomorrow provided it's on general sale. At that point I'll scan it up (if I'm allowed) as the review given by the poster here isn't a good enough summary for fans (no offence  ) We're all waiting for you!! =D |
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Post by slikrick101 on Jan 24, 2011 15:47:26 GMT -5
We've gotta realise Noel is no saint, he's just playing the victim. He's been the face of the band from a media perspective as Liam wasn't allowed to give interviews. He's always put Liam down and portrayed him to be the bad guy, albeit Liam does himself no favours, and Noel played the good guy. This put Noel in a very handy position when it came to leaving the band as he could play the innocent victim and blame Liam. And with Liam's reputation as being a trouble maker everyone would side with Noel. But I think Noel is a nasty piece of work too at times, it's quite apparent that he bullied Tony McCarroll and treated the others like his bitch, as session musicians. I don't doubt Liam might have started the fight but I bet Noel did the situation no favours. The break-up was best for everyone, Oasis was increasingly becoming a vehicle to enhance Noel's looming solo career and he seemed almost half hearted with the albums late on.
My point being perhaps Liam isn't the only persistent trouble maker and that Noel has misled a lot of people. It wouldn't be the first time his stories would have more than one version
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Post by gdforever on Jan 24, 2011 17:18:41 GMT -5
^ As opposed to every other situation in the history of the world? It can't be a revelation that there are as many versions of events as there are people involved in them. That isn't something unique to Noel.
I think that as much as Noel sometimes wanted Oasis to become something like what BDI has become (he talked about it and look @ the people he brought in...Andy Bell was never meant to be a session muscian)...but I don't think that Noel is capable of operating in that type of system...I think that is what became apparent to me over the past few albums. I don't think he was doing it intentionally...I think that is just how it was.
TBF, we've been hearing Liam's side...but really we haven't heard Noel's side. His last statement on the subject was obviously written when he was still angry or bitter about whatever happened that last night. He probably WAS feeling a bit the victim at the time.
It'll be interesting to hear what he will actually be saying when he starts his promo up for his album now that he is probably had a chance to look back and put some perspective on everything that happened.
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Post by Mr. Sifter on Jan 25, 2011 7:10:06 GMT -5
Just going back to the topic...   Two new small pics from the mag. I'm going to look for it today, but i seriously doubt they will have it here in sweden... Can't someone buy it and take a pic or scan it? Or does anybody know an online store where you could buy a PDF version... |
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Post by BEng on Jan 25, 2011 7:38:40 GMT -5
I'm dying to read the BDI interview/review! Brilliant, one magazine that features my favorite band after Oasis (Queen) and my maybe soon-to-be favorite band I'd like to buy it, but I doubt if the local newspaper shop sells it here in Belgium... |
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Post by lucahelvetica on Jan 25, 2011 8:38:37 GMT -5
Just bought it and have quickly read the review. Am at work so can not scan but can give a few things from the review.
It gets four stars and the main quote is "The gobsmacking reality? It's one of Liam's best albums"
Calls it the strongest record Liam has recorded since WTSMG
The songs it says to download are The Beat Goes On (again said to be the best on the album), Four Letter Word, Millionaire, The Morning Sun and For Anyone
Four Letter Word is described as "akin to Spencer Davis Group's I'm a Man as played by the stooges yet still familiarly Oasis-esque not to scare the horses"
Bring the Light - "a romping Jerry Lee Lewis Homage manic enough to overcome its banal "baby c'mon" vocal"
Three Ring Circus - "free blues rock"
Standing on the Edge of the Noise - "Plastic Ono Jam"
Beatles and Stones - "Most Ravinishingly Raucous"
"Both Millionaire, a gem of '70s slide-guitar glam, and the deliriously romantic For Anyone show a sublime pop sensibility"
"But the big guns here are all epic balads"
Kill for a dream - "the wistful alternative to four letter word's post-split autopsy", ""life's too short not to forgive" sings Liam, "I'm here if you want to call" "Its scarf waving outro is soon eclipsed by the soulful Wigwam climaxing after six minutes in a gospel chorus with Liam "coming up" from the depths of despair."
The Beat Goes on - "An ELO fairytale of a tune" "Liam pondering his own death and his heavenly reception by an angel's choir in Beady Eye's equivalent to Don't Look Back in Anger" ""It's not the end of the world/It's not even the end of the day""
The Morning Son - "Just Liam, Acoustic guitar and a tsunami of poignancy" "It's a shudder inducing stroke of genius, Gallagher effectively serenading his own rebirth as the music softly explodes to a frantic finale again reminiscent of Lillywhite's La's debut and it's comparable closer Looking glass. Breathtaking in fact"
Closing paragraph is "If Liam Gallagher of Oasis was the greatest frontman of all time then Different Gear....is evidence enough that with Beady Eye he's created another great British guitar band to justify that honout. And if the battle really is on, then, much to the bookmaker's horror, this decimates all negative preconceptions. The half time score an effortless one-nil to our kid. Now over to you, big brother"
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Post by BEng on Jan 25, 2011 8:48:27 GMT -5
Thanks mate!!
This review seems more unbiased then the previous ones. (Those seemed more some sort of promo talk)
So is this in fact the official album review from qmag? Or more a sort of preview?
Anyhow, I'm getting more and more excited... Are they genuinely claiming this album to be the best since WTSMG? It's very hard for me to believe that, because let's face it: each post WTSMG album had it's classics.
When they announced THE project "beady eye" my only hope was it wouldn't be bad. But now everything is pointing to the direction that it is actually going to be rather really good.
Exciting times!!!
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Post by lucahelvetica on Jan 25, 2011 9:34:02 GMT -5
Its the official Q review in their review section, Elbow's new album got 4 stars as well.
They do say its his strongest work since WTSMG, has to be remembered that most media praised Be Here Now at the time, and then turned on it.
"An album that awes in its consistency, melody, determination and, perhaps most suprisingly, positivity; as was never the case with every Oasis album after 1195's (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, making this, however unlikely it sounds, the strongest record Liam's made since"
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Post by BEng on Jan 25, 2011 9:40:59 GMT -5
That's brilliant!! =D
And BHN is one of my favorite records so...
But indeed, most post WTSMG (for me post BHN) albums had some brilliant songs/classics on it, but mostly there were too many weak links to make it a brilliant Album.
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Post by lucahelvetica on Jan 25, 2011 9:48:12 GMT -5
Just realised I put 1195 instead of 1995! My bad! Suggests Oasis invented rock and roll in the dark ages!
Yeah I love Be Here Now, annoys me that Noel turned on it just because the media did. On all Oasis albums after you can find some classic tunes, but too much filler on some.
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Post by Unlikely Lad on Jan 25, 2011 9:53:43 GMT -5
Q's Oasis reviews, for me, have been spot on for their last 3 albums ( 2* for HC, 4* for DBTT (which also got album of the year if I'm not wrong) and 3* for DOYS), and I'm really excited now that they gave such a nice review for DGSS.
I'm kinda happy that they did not include The Roller in the tunes to download, I like it, but for me FLW is a better tune.
That last quarter of the album forming up to be a belter isn't it? Wigwam, Beat goes on and morning son all got rave reviews till now.
Are there any words to describe my impatience now?
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Post by supersonic8587 on Jan 25, 2011 9:57:52 GMT -5
Its the official Q review in their review section, Elbow's new album got 4 stars as well. They do say its his strongest work since WTSMG, has to be remembered that most media praised Be Here Now at the time, and then turned on it. "An album that awes in its consistency, melody, determination and, perhaps most suprisingly, positivity; as was never the case with every Oasis album after 1195's (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, making this, however unlikely it sounds, the strongest record Liam's made since" While many reviewers did turn on BHN after the initial review, that was a one of a kind incident. Everybody was riding high on the Oasis wave at the time and had trouble looking at the album objectively. Beady Eye don't have this problem, and if anything they are in the opposite circumstance. I wouldn't expect anybody to take back their positive words about Beady Eye. Very positive review though. Hard not to get excited reading these.  |
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Post by songbirdsally on Jan 25, 2011 10:13:10 GMT -5
I'm getting way too excited, and it's still a month!  |
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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 25, 2011 10:20:30 GMT -5
The Morning Son compared to Looking Glass! wow! Very promising stuff But they say "strongest" album since MG, not the "best" which I think it's odd. |
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Post by The Morning Son on Jan 25, 2011 10:46:39 GMT -5
The Morning Son compared to Looking Glass! wow! Very promising stuff But they say "strongest" album since MG, not the "best" which I think it's odd. It might just be a really consistent album, with good songs and good themes. |
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