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Post by gdforever on Jan 16, 2011 0:11:42 GMT -5
Everything that BDI has done has been highly derivative...nothing has been truly unique (unless we are saying that Oasis don't have songs that sounded like them)...although tbf they have been derivative of an impressive variety of different influences
I wonder if it won't just take them another record to truly hit their stride and create their own voice. I get the feeling that the album won't be very tight. The songs seem as if they are just a collections of good songs more than an album where you can see the connections.
On one hand I have found it amazing that everytime we hear something it is totally different and that has been great...on the other hand it's a bit weird because I am wondering how they are gonna connect them all. They've hit 3 very different vibes and tones already with all the releases...and judging from the clips we've heard there are still a few more very different notes
Does anybody else wonder whether they might be spreading themselve a bit thin on this album and just throwing everything in including the kitchen sink?
DISCLAIMER: Please don't yell @ me about questioning something about BDI. I have been reasonably impressed by them and am not in any way insinuating that they are bad.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Jan 16, 2011 0:37:08 GMT -5
I think all that's fair enough, but I don't agree with a premise that an album needs to a collection of songs "where you can see the connections".
Think The Beatles' White Album, or Sgt. Pepper. The latter, for instance - When I'm Sixty Four is nothing like Day In The Life, which is nothing like Within You Without You, which is nothing like the title track. There's no real necessary thematic continuity like, say, Dark Side of the Moon has.
Back to BDI - I would argue that the tracks so far demonstrate LAG stretching their wings after Noel's departure - they're already spreading themselves in influence as you correctly say. But the most important factor is that they've all been really strong songs. Like Sgt. Pepper, diversity is good.
Interesting post.
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Post by acquiesceyeah on Jan 16, 2011 0:50:12 GMT -5
BTL - JERRY LEE LEWIS
FLW - OASIS
THE ROLLER - JOHN LENON/THE BEATLES/OCEAN COLOUR SCENE
TWOMR - BOBBY DARIN/KINKS
All rip-offs.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 16, 2011 1:14:41 GMT -5
^ BTL also owes a debt to the Velvet Underground if we are keeping track. LOL
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Post by cheerfuljamie on Jan 16, 2011 5:17:47 GMT -5
I would rather have an album with their best songs on than one with mediocre songs because they fit a theme. I see your point though
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Post by idledreamer on Jan 16, 2011 6:57:24 GMT -5
I would rather have an album with their best songs on than one with mediocre songs because they fit a theme. I see your point though ^ this, 100 times over... i think in the end d.o.y.s. ultimately suffered because of that... just give us good tunes (which, for the most part, they are doing so far).  also, as for the 'kitchen sink' gdforever alluded to... someone said before and i agree: the true test will come with beady eye's 2nd album, where they don't have the leftover oasis stuff to fall back on (like 'the roller' , and i'm sure andy had a lot of stuff in the can as well ) |
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Post by shades on Jan 16, 2011 7:21:26 GMT -5
Although I regard DOYS as pretty decent album i think it lacked in the last half of it because of their (or just Noel) obsession with "The flow of the album" . Heard Noel constanty say that in interviews
So as Jamie said, would love an album full of tunes rather than a theme
It seems beady eye are experimenting with their b-sides though & pulling them off
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Post by The Morning Son on Jan 16, 2011 10:30:04 GMT -5
If we take Oasis in 94, they released Definitely Maybe which bar one or two was the best 11 songs they had. As an album, I dont think it flows well at all but in terms of them 11 songs then the majority would be in Oasis overall Top 10, they are unbeatable.
In 95 they released What's The Story..... which to me was a better 'album'. The songs had a common trend and although they were not the best songs Oasis have had, it was undoubtly the best 'album'.
These 13 songs by Beady Eye are probably the best they have to get them going, once they have done the album and tour and know their audience and are much more comfortable, I think we'll see their 'voice' or their 'style' and the 2nd album will be more complete.
Lets not forget this is still a 'new' band and a different setup to what they have become used to. They are still finding their feet.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 16, 2011 10:35:20 GMT -5
If we take Oasis in 94, they released Definitely Maybe which bar one or two was the best 11 songs they had. As an album, I dont think it flows well at all but in terms of them 11 songs then the majority would be in Oasis overall Top 10, they are unbeatable. In 95 they released What's The Story..... which to me was a better 'album'. The songs had a common trend and although they were not the best songs Oasis have had, it was undoubtly the best 'album'. These 13 songs by Beady Eye are probably the best they have to get them going, once they have done the album and tour and know their audience and are much more comfortable, I think we'll see their 'voice' or their 'style' and the 2nd album will be more complete. Lets not forget this is still a 'new' band and a different setup to what they have become used to. They are still finding their feet. Totally disagree. WTSMG does not have more flow than DM. WTSMG is basically a greatest hits album bar the 2 untitle tracks. DM is an accidental concept album. How can WTSMG have more of a thread than DM which is basically a concept album. In DM each song is working together to make the other song better, WTSMG is just out and out competition for which song is the best. There are no tracks, working with each other to make the other better on that album. I think the WTSMG is clear example of taking the best that you have and putting it on there, while DM is trying to follow one single sound. Perfect example on WTSMG is a comparison between DLBIA/Wonderwall vs MG/CS. Those 2 sets of songs are completely different. Now look at DM and tell me one song other than Married With Children that doesnt sound like it should be on there/doesnt fit the overrall sound of the album. There really isnt any. Every song on DM should be on DM because they all follow a single thread. WTSMG on the hand is basically a greatest hits album. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 16, 2011 10:39:26 GMT -5
BTL - JERRY LEE LEWIS FLW - OASIS THE ROLLER - JOHN LENON/THE BEATLES/OCEAN COLOUR SCENE TWOMR - BOBBY DARIN/KINKS All rip-offs. Who do you listen to in this sort of genre that is completely original? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 12:40:46 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents on this topic:
Lately, i have been listening to a lot of Beatles stuff, interviews etc. And they had the opinion that once an album came out that you shouldn't release singles off of it, and in some ways I agree. Hince, we ended up with a load of The Beatles best tunes not being available on albums which made the whole thing more interesting.
My point is simply this . . . just release the music as it is made, and let the people decided if they like it or not. Far to often I think bands delay albums, and tunes, because they are trying to put together the "perfect" album. It's a waste of time. People want music, which is why this place heats up every time there is a release.
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Post by thuperthonic on Jan 16, 2011 13:14:31 GMT -5
If we take Oasis in 94, they released Definitely Maybe which bar one or two was the best 11 songs they had. As an album, I dont think it flows well at all but in terms of them 11 songs then the majority would be in Oasis overall Top 10, they are unbeatable. In 95 they released What's The Story..... which to me was a better 'album'. The songs had a common trend and although they were not the best songs Oasis have had, it was undoubtly the best 'album'. These 13 songs by Beady Eye are probably the best they have to get them going, once they have done the album and tour and know their audience and are much more comfortable, I think we'll see their 'voice' or their 'style' and the 2nd album will be more complete. Lets not forget this is still a 'new' band and a different setup to what they have become used to. They are still finding their feet. K+ |
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Post by The Morning Son on Jan 16, 2011 13:39:36 GMT -5
If we take Oasis in 94, they released Definitely Maybe which bar one or two was the best 11 songs they had. As an album, I dont think it flows well at all but in terms of them 11 songs then the majority would be in Oasis overall Top 10, they are unbeatable. In 95 they released What's The Story..... which to me was a better 'album'. The songs had a common trend and although they were not the best songs Oasis have had, it was undoubtly the best 'album'. These 13 songs by Beady Eye are probably the best they have to get them going, once they have done the album and tour and know their audience and are much more comfortable, I think we'll see their 'voice' or their 'style' and the 2nd album will be more complete. Lets not forget this is still a 'new' band and a different setup to what they have become used to. They are still finding their feet. Totally disagree. WTSMG does not have more flow than DM. WTSMG is basically a greatest hits album bar the 2 untitle tracks. DM is an accidental concept album. How can WTSMG have more of a thread than DM which is basically a concept album. In DM each song is working together to make the other song better, WTSMG is just out and out competition for which song is the best. There are no tracks, working with each other to make the other better on that album. I think the WTSMG is clear example of taking the best that you have and putting it on there, while DM is trying to follow one single sound. Perfect example on WTSMG is a comparison between DLBIA/Wonderwall vs MG/CS. Those 2 sets of songs are completely different. Now look at DM and tell me one song other than Married With Children that doesnt sound like it should be on there/doesnt fit the overrall sound of the album. There really isnt any. Every song on DM should be on DM because they all follow a single thread. WTSMG on the hand is basically a greatest hits album. Opinion will vary but to me WTSMG does flow better as an album. Not like DOYS where there is a theme throughout. It may just be that Definitely Maybe was recorded like DBTT in different sessions at different studios and with different producers so to me its all a little bit broken but in terms of the 11 tracks its Oasis' best by far. I can't really explain my point which isnt too helpful, WTSMG feels a more complete album that was written together and recorded together and they had the time and money to spend a lot of time and effort on it, where as DM sounds like there best 11 tracks that were written over 4 or 5 years and were used to be played live. With Beady Eye now, we probably have 13 tracks that have been written over 4 or 5 years. Maybe even 10. That was my comparison. |
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Post by Lundblad on Jan 16, 2011 21:26:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with you here, gaspanic2000. To me, DM is a concept album, about wanting to become something, to stop being a "nobody". MG is, like spaneli said, just a collection of (more or less) the most fabulous tunes ever made.
HC is similar to MG in this respect, while DOYS and DBTT are more like DM.
Personally, I hope that BDI keeps on going in this direction that we've seen in their first 4 songs, on the album as well (with very different types of tunes). I want to see just how good songs they can create without Noel (and up to this point I've been extremely positively surprised).
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Post by slystallone on Jan 17, 2011 3:42:51 GMT -5
Everything that BDI has done has been highly derivative...nothing has been truly unique (unless we are saying that Oasis don't have songs that sounded like them)...although tbf they have been derivative of an impressive variety of different influences I wonder if it won't just take them another record to truly hit their stride and create their own voice. I get the feeling that the album won't be very tight. The songs seem as if they are just a collections of good songs more than an album where you can see the connections. On one hand I have found it amazing that everytime we hear something it is totally different and that has been great...on the other hand it's a bit weird because I am wondering how they are gonna connect them all. They've hit 3 very different vibes and tones already with all the releases...and judging from the clips we've heard there are still a few more very different notes Does anybody else wonder whether they might be spreading themselve a bit thin on this album and just throwing everything in including the kitchen sink? DISCLAIMER: Please don't yell @ me about questioning something about BDI. I have been reasonably impressed by them and am not in any way insinuating that they are bad. Get married with NL4E and shut up you bitch!!  |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 17, 2011 13:57:47 GMT -5
Everything that BDI has done has been highly derivative...nothing has been truly unique (unless we are saying that Oasis don't have songs that sounded like them)...although tbf they have been derivative of an impressive variety of different influences I wonder if it won't just take them another record to truly hit their stride and create their own voice. I get the feeling that the album won't be very tight. The songs seem as if they are just a collections of good songs more than an album where you can see the connections. On one hand I have found it amazing that everytime we hear something it is totally different and that has been great...on the other hand it's a bit weird because I am wondering how they are gonna connect them all. They've hit 3 very different vibes and tones already with all the releases...and judging from the clips we've heard there are still a few more very different notes Does anybody else wonder whether they might be spreading themselve a bit thin on this album and just throwing everything in including the kitchen sink? DISCLAIMER: Please don't yell @ me about questioning something about BDI. I have been reasonably impressed by them and am not in any way insinuating that they are bad. Get married with NL4E and shut up you bitch!! Do you have Tourettes? Who are you? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 17, 2011 14:12:48 GMT -5
Everything that BDI has done has been highly derivative...nothing has been truly unique (unless we are saying that Oasis don't have songs that sounded like them)...although tbf they have been derivative of an impressive variety of different influences I wonder if it won't just take them another record to truly hit their stride and create their own voice. I get the feeling that the album won't be very tight. The songs seem as if they are just a collections of good songs more than an album where you can see the connections. On one hand I have found it amazing that everytime we hear something it is totally different and that has been great...on the other hand it's a bit weird because I am wondering how they are gonna connect them all. They've hit 3 very different vibes and tones already with all the releases...and judging from the clips we've heard there are still a few more very different notes Does anybody else wonder whether they might be spreading themselve a bit thin on this album and just throwing everything in including the kitchen sink? DISCLAIMER: Please don't yell @ me about questioning something about BDI. I have been reasonably impressed by them and am not in any way insinuating that they are bad. Get married with NL4E and shut up you bitch!! Don't talk to my woman like that!  |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jan 18, 2011 16:34:12 GMT -5
Don't talk to my woman like that! way to stand up for your woman.  |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 18, 2011 21:58:28 GMT -5
Everything that BDI has done has been highly derivative...nothing has been truly unique (unless we are saying that Oasis don't have songs that sounded like them)...although tbf they have been derivative of an impressive variety of different influences I wonder if it won't just take them another record to truly hit their stride and create their own voice. I get the feeling that the album won't be very tight. The songs seem as if they are just a collections of good songs more than an album where you can see the connections. On one hand I have found it amazing that everytime we hear something it is totally different and that has been great...on the other hand it's a bit weird because I am wondering how they are gonna connect them all. They've hit 3 very different vibes and tones already with all the releases...and judging from the clips we've heard there are still a few more very different notes Does anybody else wonder whether they might be spreading themselve a bit thin on this album and just throwing everything in including the kitchen sink? DISCLAIMER: Please don't yell @ me about questioning something about BDI. I have been reasonably impressed by them and am not in any way insinuating that they are bad. Get married with NL4E and shut up you bitch!! Pretty uncalled for. No reason to call any woman a "bitch". |
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