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Post by NYR on Aug 2, 2009 1:09:37 GMT -5
our point exactly, l4e. you guys give liberals crap by calling obama the messiah, but have no qualms in calling dubya "king george." I meant it just for rhetorical purposes, lol, along with having it be a pun (King George of England who the colonists revelled against to from the US....). I in no way look up to Bushie that strongly, but I do admire him than most. and that we fail to comprehend. it seems that for every bad thing he did (which was many), it was always the fault of liberals. i find that disingenuous. conservatives were always the ones who told americans to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. i want to know what happened to the party of lincoln and teddy roosevelt? the party that abolished slavery. what happened? it became an anti-intellectual, evangelical, sad excuse of the party it once was. radicals like the "birthers" are taking it over, and are literally killing people they don't agree with. (look at the knoxville church shooting, especially.) i want to see a strong republican party again. one that doesn't just use jargon and mindless phrases, but a party that stands for something. something philosophical. something that isn't based on hate. |
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Post by thechemist on Aug 3, 2009 17:10:07 GMT -5
Absolutely NYR. Twice in the last few days you are correct on an issue. The Republican party started going downhill after Reagan and hasn't stopped it's slide. The nutcase fringe on FOX and talk radio is doing ALL of the talking for the party. It's not that the nutcase fringe is wrong, it's that they're, well, nutcases.
And it's not just the fringe. John McCain chooing Sarah Palin was a blatant grab for the parties right wing (as if the Evangelicals were going to vote for Obama if he went with a fiscal as opposed to social conservative. He had their vote anyhow).
Yes, Republicans need to get back on the offensive with intellectual arguments and not stay on defense as the party of "no". Thats for the Democrats. Hopefuly Bobby Jindahl learned from his one mistake of listening to the old guard with his post state of the union address.
As far as the "hate" part, Liberal nutcases do their fair amount of hating as well. it's just that nobody is listening to libeeral media. Read some liberal blogs if you want to read some real hate.
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Post by NYR on Aug 3, 2009 23:58:33 GMT -5
liberal blogs are far away from the liberal leadership. meanwhile, look at the so-called "birthers" (aka idiots) gaining major ground within the republican party.
and yes, the nutcase fringe are nutcases. you also fail to mention that they're wrong.
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Post by thechemist on Aug 5, 2009 21:42:20 GMT -5
liberal blogs are far away from the liberal leadership. meanwhile, look at the so-called "birthers" (aka idiots) gaining major ground within the republican party. and yes, the nutcase fringe are nutcases. you also fail to mention that they're wrong. Moveon.org is as close to the liberal leadership as Glenn beck and Rush Limbaugh. Maybe more so. All of the democratic presidential candidates make regular appearances at their conventions. I dare say more hate is spewed on those blogs than anything on the right. And very few in these arguments are "wrong". Even the wacko's in code pink have some truth to their rants. And can you imagine if there was questionable details in the histry of George Bush's birth certificate? The lefty wack-jobs would be coming out of the woodword (with a more sympathetic slant on the issue from the mainstram media, I might add). |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 6, 2009 19:14:40 GMT -5
liberal blogs are far away from the liberal leadership. meanwhile, look at the so-called "birthers" (aka idiots) gaining major ground within the republican party. and yes, the nutcase fringe are nutcases. you also fail to mention that they're wrong. But no one mentioned the "Truthers" - 35% of Liberals believed that Bush and the Neo-cons were behind 9/11. [Compared to 28% of the Repubs who are "Birthers"]. But of course the media never focused on denouncing idiots like Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Alex Jones..... And now the White House is complaining about the Healthcare protests to be planned by the far right wing. Unbelievable. But how about the Vietnam protests? The Iraqi War protests? Protesting against speeches by Ann Coulter and the Minuetmen? So it's ok if it's a lberal protest but now it's not allowed if it's organized by the right? Furthermore, the polls show that both Repubs and Dems are united against the health care plan. Fuck off Obama, you ignorant and arrogant shit. The hypocrisy here is unbelievable. And day after day it becomes exceedingly clear that Obama is not a post-partisan president, a post-racial president, or a transparent president. He conned you suckers. Never again. |
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Post by NYR on Aug 6, 2009 23:07:23 GMT -5
oh, come on. "never again?" what is this, the holocaust?
if this was the bush administration, the town halls wouldn't have had an opposition being able to protest in the first place. if they were lucky, maybe a "first amendment zone" would have been constructed... far, far away. the reason why there's such a big problem with these town halls is that the main attack is coming from the top down via memos from lobbyists paid by big medicine. not only that, the only thing the protesters are doing is not stimulating a healthy discussion; they're merely shouting everybody else out and preventing debate. there's nothing wrong with debate.
i wonder what happened to you in just a year. in 2008, any person who criticized the president was unamerican. "you're with us or with them" was the main motto, as was "love it or leave it." now, criticizing the president isn't not just your constitutional right as an american citizen, it's your patriotic duty. quite a jump, there.
the so-called "truthers" are irrelevant to this issue. i don't know what part of that you don't get. and i hate the truthers. sometimes i wish that they went through what i went through and then have someone tell them it was a sham. obviously, you can imagine my deep, deep hatred of these people who don't deserve a breath of air. either way, they're irrelevant to the issue. they're conspiracists, just like those who think that the government's proposed healthcare plan is going to force old people to die.
p.s. do you have proof for your 35% to 28% backup, or were they just frank luntz polls?
right out of the conservative playbook. if it was such a liberal media, there would have been a lot more anti-war coverage leading up to and during the iraq war. there would also be more than one (struggling) liberal national radio station on the air. the liberal media schtick is a lie and fabrication. even scott mcclellan said that the press was "too deferential" to the white house when he was the press secretary.
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Post by thechemist on Aug 7, 2009 6:45:24 GMT -5
they're merely shouting everybody else out and preventing debate. Right out of the liberals playbook, that is. |
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Post by Moorish on Aug 7, 2009 7:34:09 GMT -5
35% of Liberals believed that Bush and the Neo-cons were behind 9/11. Fuck off, says who? Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbuagh? You fucking cock end.  |
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Post by NYR on Aug 7, 2009 11:34:16 GMT -5
they're merely shouting everybody else out and preventing debate. Right out of the liberals playbook, that is. explain this: or this: o'reilly, beck and hannity tell them to jump. they respond, "how high?" |
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Post by NYR on Aug 11, 2009 11:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 11, 2009 18:13:46 GMT -5
I didn't hear the left complain one bit about how their party treated Bush, nor about how radical and insane the far left were and still are.
My complaint isn't just that they're complaining, my complaint is that this is a taste of their own medicine considering how they treated the GOP over the last 8 years. Double standards at its best
BTW it's ok for there to be a Joker poster of Bush but not one of Obama? Grow up you hypocrites.
God forbid any one should saying bad about The Messiah.
And you know what - Bush is on record saying that the protests against him were fine because that's what America's all about. Contrast that with this idiot called Pelosi who calls it Un-American.
Liberals are self-destructing, they're going to lose a shit load in 2010, and probably the presidency in 2012. It's becoming a joke - the GOP handed them their control on a platter, and it looked like they would be able to dominate for a decade or so cos of how shit the GOP became, but since 2006, and especially in the aftermath of Obama's election, it seems more and more people are becoming just as disillusioned and dissatisfied with the left.
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Post by NYR on Aug 11, 2009 19:09:44 GMT -5
1. i'm sorry, but threatening violence on other americans and their elected officials is un-american.
2. until the democrats fire republicans for politically motivated reasons, you have no right to talk about the treatment of republicans. there are more republicans in obama's administration than democrats in bush's.
3. it's not okay to have a joker poster of bush or obama. it's stupid and makes you look like an idiot.
4. hold up a minute... bush said the protests were fine but always held pre-screened town halls with pre-allowed questions! ever heard of "first amendment zones?"
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 11, 2009 19:11:44 GMT -5
4. hold up a minute... bush said the protests were fine but always held pre-screened town halls with pre-allowed questions! ever heard of "first amendment zones?" What did u think Obama did today in his NH Townhall Meeting? How about at the press conference in July (the one where he mentioned Gates), etx |
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Post by NYR on Aug 11, 2009 19:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 12, 2009 18:10:13 GMT -5
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Post by NYR on Aug 12, 2009 23:21:25 GMT -5
stop quoting editorials as news pieces... especially from fox news. it does wonders for your credibility on here.
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