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Post by Silence Dogood on Nov 18, 2008 18:38:53 GMT -5
DBTT did NOT sell 6 million copies, STOP that! is it nonsense like someone else said. that album may have sold somewhat close to 4 million, if that.... i'd say between 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 millions but not more that that.
DOYS has sold about 800k copies so far, so not even a million just yet, KOL's album has sold a million already. no marketing for DOYS = no great sales numbers(at least in America) . that's just the way things work here, if you promote the shit out of something IT WILL SELL, period.
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Post by daysoasis on Nov 18, 2008 19:10:08 GMT -5
just because they have not sold 3million or more cd's yet, does not mean 3million fans dont have it at home right now sick of listening to it,due to so many playbacks.ps those record counts have not been updated for years-who really knows the true figures?it could be close to 75million by now.
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 19, 2008 2:30:17 GMT -5
well obviously a CD sale does not corelate to the amount of people who own the album in theory... it could be owned by illegaly downloaded or burned from a Cd etc..
i know three people who actually have DOYS but the didn't buy it ... they just downloaded it.
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Post by jasonbourne on Nov 19, 2008 3:08:43 GMT -5
This album was promoted quite a bit in the America. Oasis is not a big band here. It was number 5 on the charts, which is a great achievement, but its all the hardcore oasis fans. I don't know the numbers, but I'm sure the album plummeted in the second week.
and honestly, who cares. The backstreet boys have sold more than double the albums than oasis.
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Post by suckermc on Nov 19, 2008 5:07:59 GMT -5
those record sales are accurate, because it is not permitted to exist on wikipedia if its bullshit.it will get regulated if it is false.-------oasis has sold around close to 60million, or over---just morning glory alone has sold around 25million+,and that was four years ago.every artist today big or small are feeling the crunch of declining record sales--some just feel it less than others.there was never any money on record sales for artist anyways-only record company's of course its not really permitted. but every c...t can post bullshit there on wiki. i tell you what: in 5 min you caN SEE SALES OF DOYS ABOUT 29 MIO IN 2 weeks sold. because of what? because i went there and wrote bullshit in there;) again:it is not possible by far that their last album sold 6 mio. its ridiculous. its good enough for nowadays that they sold a good 2-3 mio.... realistic sales could be that: dm:7 mio(2.7 mio in uk, 1 mio in usa....dunno the rest) mg: 22 mio(4.5 mio in uk, 5 mio in us....) bhn:8 mio(2 mio perhaps in uk, 1 mio in us) mp:2 mio(just know sales around 0.6 mio in uk) standing:3 mio(us:0.2, uk:0.6-0,9....?) millions:1 mio(uk:0.3) hc:3.5 mio(us:0.15, uk:1.2 mio) dbtt:dont know...2.5-3.5 mio(us:0.2, uk:nearly 1 mio, japan:0.25 mio) stop the...: 2 mio(uk:1.2 mio) doys: 0.8 til now(us:nearly 0.1, uk:0.34 mio, jap:0.16 mio....)
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Post by daysoasis on Nov 19, 2008 10:50:08 GMT -5
authorities cant even use album sales as a measuring stick on how big a band is anymore.
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Post by cloudburster on Nov 19, 2008 12:41:30 GMT -5
Those figures are inaccurate
SOTSOG - 3 million HC - 3.5 million DBTT - 3 million DOYS - around 800 000 now
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Post by start at the end on Nov 19, 2008 15:44:25 GMT -5
Illegal downloading has fucked the entire system to hell and it's only getting worse. I'd be willing to bet for every one copy of DOYS sold there's been at LEAST 2 pirated. Just look at the torrent sites, they've been exploding non-stop for a month now.
Until they start charting "illegal downloads", all of this bullshit you idiots run yourself in circles talking about is meaningless conjecture.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 19, 2008 18:39:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I'm going to believe Wiki over all of your SPECULATION.
DBTT only sold 2-3million? Come off it. You guys are thick if you believe that number is that low....
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Post by daysoasis on Nov 19, 2008 21:18:51 GMT -5
the figures of sotsog=3million- was over 8 years ago, hc=3.5million -was over 6 years ago , dbtt=3million -was almost 4 years ago,do you really think that there was no accumalation over the years?, i doubt it
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 19, 2008 21:44:17 GMT -5
the figures of sotsog=3million- was over 8 years ago, hc=3.5million -was over 6 years ago , dbtt=3million -was almost 4 years ago,do you really think that there was no accumalation over the years?, i doubt it Yeah, but we all know that SOTSOG/HC were Oasis' lowest point (no matter what you think of those albums) DBTT got good reviews, hailed as a return to form, a good world tour to boot, and a resurgence in Oasis popularity. - So it would only make sense for DBTT to outsell both SOTSOG and HC And the fact the Stop the Clocks sold 2 million should tell you that DBTT sold more than 3 million. How can a greatest hits album sell almost the same amount as the previous album? We all know that only the die hard fans bought STC......
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Post by Guigs on Nov 19, 2008 22:49:55 GMT -5
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 20, 2008 3:17:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I'm going to believe Wiki over all of your SPECULATION. DBTT only sold 2-3million? Come off it. You guys are thick if you believe that number is that low.... ur thick for believeing DBTT sold 6million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm a member of a charts forum ... and we all dug out sales for what DBTT did in the major markets! and we came up with a very good estimate of 2.5million. Uk 952,000 Usa 201,000 Japan 250,000 Korea 12,000 austrailia 35,000 Canada 50,000 Europe 500,000 (germany 90k,italy 100k, france 40k) rest of the world 400-500k. and we have been very generous... for the rest of the world sales. the fact that it has sold 1,403,000copies in Uk,Japan and USA and these 3 markets make up 61.4% of the worlds music market that can tell u a good deal that DBTT has no where near sold 6million!!! what like its going to shift another 4.6million copies from the remaining countries!! that makes up less than 40% !! Please give me a break man
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Post by igottapoo on Nov 20, 2008 4:04:58 GMT -5
Who cares? Every kid and their grandma now rip CD's, TV shows, movies, etc... off the internet cos it's bloody easy. That affects everyone. Not just Oasis.
And people need to get over the fact that Oasis isn't that big anymore. This isn't the mid-90's. The musical landscape has changed drastically over the last 15 years. In the end, Oasis still has legions of loyal, devoted fans that flock to the gigs wherever they play and I'm sure they're quite happy with that, even if record sales aren't what they used to be.
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Post by suckermc on Nov 20, 2008 4:46:17 GMT -5
the figures of sotsog=3million- was over 8 years ago, hc=3.5million -was over 6 years ago , dbtt=3million -was almost 4 years ago,do you really think that there was no accumalation over the years?, i doubt it Yeah, but we all know that SOTSOG/HC were Oasis' lowest point (no matter what you think of those albums) DBTT got good reviews, hailed as a return to form, a good world tour to boot, and a resurgence in Oasis popularity. - So it would only make sense for DBTT to outsell both SOTSOG and HC And the fact the Stop the Clocks sold 2 million should tell you that DBTT sold more than 3 million. How can a greatest hits album sell almost the same amount as the previous album? We all know that only the die hard fans bought STC...... of course dbtt isd their lowest selling album because of increasing downloads. you could estimate the sales of dbtt if there were not any downloads...perhaps 4 or 5 million? who knows. but in terms of physical sales its the lowpoint of their career...but looking at the venueas which they sell outworldwide it looks a little bit different. they have stable sales and please pleas.....dont believe everything what is on wikipedia.....you have to be careful with that
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Post by shoofee on Nov 20, 2008 6:10:39 GMT -5
Who cares? Every kid and their grandma now rip CD's, TV shows, movies, etc... off the internet cos it's bloody easy. That affects everyone. Not just Oasis. And people need to get over the fact that Oasis isn't that big anymore. This isn't the mid-90's. The musical landscape has changed drastically over the last 15 years. In the end, Oasis still has legions of loyal, devoted fans that flock to the gigs wherever they play and I'm sure they're quite happy with that, even if record sales aren't what they used to be. Bingo. Record sales, by and large, are down across the board. What did Oasis open with DOYS in the states, 65,000 or so, and it came in at #3? Ten years ago, 65,000 would've been lucky to crack the top 15, much less then top 5. The staying power was non-existent. It's entirely unfair to compare the sales of DOYS to any album pre-SOTSOG. Hell, it's unfair to compare them to any album pre-HC at this point because of how dominant downloading (LEGAL downloading) has become. DOYS had a few things going for it no other Oasis album had since BHN (espc in the US), it had decent promotion, a catchy single (much more of an impression than Lyla), and it came out at the perfect time to have the biggest impact. The last two albums came out in the summertime when its crowded on the charts with the latest summer hit and all that sort of shit. At any rate, it's all butter on the bread for them at this point. The UK is all Oasis needs to thrive in terms of their pocketbooks. The UK success fuels them, pays their bills, and easily covers their livelihoods. The rest of the world (including the US, Japan, Europe, Ausralasia, etc.) is icing on the fucking cake for them and allows Liam to buy 5 Maseratis instead of just the 1 he may want. It's amazing how some of you people put so much goddamn thought into Oasis' bottom line when none of you will ever see a dime of it lol.
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Post by shoofee on Nov 20, 2008 6:32:14 GMT -5
well obviously a CD sale does not corelate to the amount of people who own the album in theory... it could be owned by illegaly downloaded or burned from a Cd etc.. i know three people who actually have DOYS but the didn't buy it ... they just downloaded it. Illegal downloading has had an effect on sales, there's absolutely no question it hasn't, but it's blown way out of proportion as there are far more legal downloading options out there. Download doesnt always mean "keeping" a file. The bigger impact on physical record sales (and the death of the proper single) can be blamed on legal downloading more than anything else. In the legal downloading category, you can include shit like Myspace, Youtube, and hundreds of millions of sites out there that have the tunes available 24-7 for no charge. Obviously, unlike iTunes, you don't "own" anything, but casual fans, the people who will actually keep a record floating high on the charts, don't give a flying fuck about owning it. If they like TSOTL, they can just log onto Youtube or Myspace and hear it at any time, so theres no incentive to buying the record. Hardcore fans fuel the debut on the charts, casual fans keep it going.
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Post by suckermc on Nov 20, 2008 9:11:16 GMT -5
yea....look, for example the diversity of offers of shock of the lightning on youtube.....alone 4 or 5 different videos uploaded from 4 of 5 different users make around 2.5 million views(most of them ouside usa....it would be doubled or tripled if it would have been that known like in other parts of the world...lokk at videos of linkin park etc.......i know....tsotl was a little success over there...but ...you know, what i mean)...theres are lots of people in that crowd who usually would have bought the single before internet spread its wings over society
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Post by daysoasis on Nov 20, 2008 9:11:45 GMT -5
the factors of album counts adding up: -new fans getting in to oasis,and getting their friends into oasis. -old fans getting back into oasis. -fans that down loaded it for free, later on deciding to buy real copy,because album was on sale.-----ps oasis records always goes on sale -over all music fans that know the name oasis,or casual fans.
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Post by daysoasis on Nov 20, 2008 9:23:26 GMT -5
the oasis catalogue is always adding up,its accumalating as we speak.its calculating despite the declining record sales---in its own pace.if you dont believe wikipedia,then put your own touch to it,of course were not going to believe you,but go ahead.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 20, 2008 13:33:24 GMT -5
Then did Coldplay's X+Y really sell 9 million? Did Viva La Vida really sell 5.7 millon, as Wikipedia also suggests? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldplay_discographyOr is that wrong, too? It's common knowledge DBTT sold 5-6 million (and yes, I'm sure that counts itunes and the like too), but denying that is retarded.
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 20, 2008 14:24:12 GMT -5
Then did Coldplay's X+Y really sell 9 million? Did Viva La Vida really sell 5.7 millon, as Wikipedia also suggests? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldplay_discographyOr is that wrong, too? It's common knowledge DBTT sold 5-6 million (and yes, I'm sure that counts itunes and the like too), but denying that is retarded. yes X and y has sold 9million just to show you it's shipment sales in 2006 X&y was certified with 4million shipment sales in europe alone. source IFPI In Usa 3million shipment sales source (riaa) 3+4=7million since 2006 in europe and USA thats another 2million sales left right ?? ok Austrailia 4xplatinum source ARIA = 280,000shipments 3m+4m+280,000= 7,280,000 now canada 4xplatinum 400,000shipments source CRIA So 3million(USA)+4million(europe)+280,000(Austailia)+400,000(Canada) =7,680,000shipments!! thats still left with japan,south america,new zealand,mexico etc you could easily see another 1million + combined in those areas. Thats why oasis fans seem to edit that page and inflate oasis sales to make oasis look bigger. its retarded to believe inflated sales. You can think what u want.. i have given u some sales of DBTT that gives a hint at what it's genral trend would be world wide. but your ignorance begs to differ.
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 20, 2008 15:29:07 GMT -5
the oasis catalogue is always adding up,its accumalating as we speak.its calculating despite the declining record sales---in its own pace.if you dont believe wikipedia,then put your own touch to it,of course were not going to believe you,but go ahead. for sure,however the big catalogue sellers are Morning glory and definitely maybe. Morning glory in 2005 sold 147,000copies alone in the uk !! and another 80,000in the usa that's nearly 250,000 in 2 countries. however the other albums dont really shift that much.. on average DBTT,BHN,SOTSOG,HC,TMP,FTM shift around 10k-20k in the uk each..however this year it will be higher as oasis have a new album out which will get casual buyers into their old stuff.
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Post by daysoasis on Nov 20, 2008 15:40:46 GMT -5
i dont believe it ,that dbtt only sold 2.5 million after 4 years.-2.5 million was just the imediate sales of six months or more.of course ,after that other fans started buying dbtt in their own time,even some of the ones that downloaded it for free.in fact,every time i check the music stores around my city i notice that the oasis section is always getting depleted.dbtt sales added up slowly to a big figure of around what wikipedia suggests,maybe even more.
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 20, 2008 15:52:10 GMT -5
i dont believe it ,that dbtt only sold 2.5 million after 4 years.-2.5 million was just the imediate sales of six months or more.of course ,after that other fans started buying dbtt in their own time,even some of the ones that downloaded it for free.in fact,every time i check the music stores around my city i notice that the oasis section is always getting depleted.dbtt sales added up slowly to a big figure of around what wikipedia suggests,maybe even more. ok fine u think 6million ... i would like u to tell me where did the other 3.5million sales come from after 6months got any sources? can you back up ur argument? if you can i will agree but u cant the fact that in the Q magazine back in march 2006 gave shipment sales of 2.5million.. and music week gave 1.2million outside the uk (posted 2 years ago) i would like to know where these 3.5million copies have sold since march 2006??? Oasis biggest market is the uk and since march 2006 DBTT has only sold another 100,000copies since then.. where do the other 3.4million come from then? please help me out
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