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Post by caats19 on Oct 13, 2008 7:45:29 GMT -5
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Post by timewrecker on Oct 13, 2008 7:50:00 GMT -5
i just noticed that it was out of 10 and cringed.... a lot
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Post by MD on Oct 13, 2008 10:13:41 GMT -5
To be honest, it's not even that bad of a review. Ignoring the score (4.9)...and Pitchfork hates everything..including Oasis...they do have some OK things to say about the album.
I know they still rip Oasis but I guess I was expecting them to really hate the album because it's Oasis and Pitchfork are a bunch of indi music snobs who hate pretty much everything and everyone.
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Post by Wonderwailer on Oct 13, 2008 11:49:27 GMT -5
Well it wasnt overly harsh. In fact it sounded rather sympathetic, in that snobbish patronising way only Pitchfork Media can produce.
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Post by Mogly on Oct 13, 2008 12:51:31 GMT -5
that's the best review oasis will ever get from pitchfork. it's way better than their review for both BHN and DBTT but they give it a lower score than the former and just .2 more than the latter.
even if I don't agree with them slagging songs like GOYHHL, it's refreshing to see that they actually heard the album.
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Post by joe5000 on Oct 13, 2008 13:26:23 GMT -5
Saying that STC got 6.5, this is pretty good. Was hoping for a funny HC style bashing from Pitchfork though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 13:26:48 GMT -5
I thought that was a fair review.
The Turning and Shock are solid Oasis tunes, and the rest of it was as dull as dish water.
After living with it for a few weeks... I think you're all kidding yourselves if you think Dig Out Your Soul is fit enough to sit on a shelf beside the first three albums. And so is Noel Gallagher.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 13:43:29 GMT -5
As much as I hate Pitchfork, I must admit the review is a fine read. The best "negative" review I've read, only a few sentences of Beatles references rather then paragraphs. I thought that was a fair review. The Turning and Shock are solid Oasis tunes, and the rest of it was as dull as dish water. After living with it for a few weeks... I think you're all kidding yourselves if you think Dig Out Your Soul is fit enough to sit on a shelf beside the first three albums. And so is Noel Gallagher. Be Here Now better then Dig Out Your Soul? You've got to be kidding me. |
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Post by LlAM on Oct 13, 2008 13:46:06 GMT -5
The review seems fair. Except for the Wating For The Rapture part and the bit where he reckons Noel cant use the word "rapture" in more than one song. In that case every artist that uses the word "yo" should revcieve a death penalty ASAP.
5/10 isn't bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 14:10:51 GMT -5
Yeah... Be Here Now is far, far better.
D'You Know What I Mean, Stand By Me, Girl In The Dirty Shirt, Fade In Out, Be Here Now, All Around The World, It's Gettin Better Man, The Fame, Flashbax, Going Nowhere, I Got The Fever.
There are WALLS of guitars on that album, mad little joyous riffs everywhere. Life affirming melodies. There is so much life and energy in Be Here Now. It's the most experimental thing they've ever done, far more effortlessly original and psychedelic than any of their conscious hamfisted attempts to be "psychedelic" by lazily cribbing bits and pieces from Revolver.
I can't think of many albums that are as ambitious, certainly not by Oasis. Be Here Now is huge, propulsive guitar pop.
Even though he slates it now, Noel loved it at the time, and for that summer (before it became the number one album to slate - mainly cos they felt embarrassed by being sucked into the believing the hype) most of England did too.
Everyone laughs at the movie Titanic these days... exactly the same... these are the people who went to the cinema a handful of times to watch it.
I haven't listened to Be Here Now for a year or so, but I listened to it on a long car drive the other day (it had to be, right?) and it is sooooooooooooooooo much better than Dig Out Your Soul.
Dig Out Your Soul is the work of middle-aged journeymen doing just enough to keep getting paid.
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Post by webm@ster on Oct 13, 2008 14:11:20 GMT -5
Fair enough , at least this critic gives the album and Oasis evolution some thought. As others try to shoot down the album in a badly written paragraph pitchfork's writer took some time to actually listen to the cd a few times , I hope.....
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Post by caats19 on Oct 13, 2008 14:26:59 GMT -5
yeah i was almost disappointed it was fair. haha. i think one of my fav pitchfork reviews is the one for rush of blood to the head. not cause i think it's a great album, but cause i think the review ends with saying how coldplay will have trouble digging themselves out of the hole they dug. something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 15:12:03 GMT -5
Be Here Now could have been an excellent album, but it falls short. The problem (for me at least) is that the production and choice of songs kills it. Fade-In-Out is pseudo-western shit on the album. However, live it's an absolute monster; pure Led Zeppelin. If there was anything song that deserved over production THAT was it!
But no, it was wasted on a tune like Don't Go Away (making it a cheesy, cheesy tune) or Be Here Now (How did that get the green light for an A-side when Stay Young is subjected to a B-side!). Noel was never the best at making decisions, but he definitely dropped the ball with Be Here Now. The biggest crime? Magic Pie. 7 minutes of pure bloat resulting in absolutely nothing.
Don't get me wrong, I love Be Here Now. D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me, and All Around The World are classics. It's Getting Better (Man!!) is a tune and a half. It's just a shame that, surrounding them, are songs marred by bad production and/or bad writing.
Dig Out Your Soul is an album by a bad who knew what they wanted to do. I'm not going to say all of the tunes are classic, but even the weaker ones flow with the rest of the album. It's an album, through and through; not a collection of songs cobbled together. It's streamlined, it's purposeful. Yes, it's not the happiest album, but deep down it has meaning. I have a hard time trying to say the same about most of Be Here Now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 15:28:15 GMT -5
Yep, there is some cack on Be Here Now. When I saw them during the Be Here Now tour some of the tunes dragged on forever. Magic Pie, I agree, it's aimless guitar twiddling. Disagree with you about Don't Go Away, although I'm sure you're not singling it out in particular. "Me and you, what's going on? All we seem to know is how to show the feelings that are wrong?" Not the most literate lyric ever written, but it contains genuine emotion. Where is the genuine human emotion in Dig Out Your Soul?
Fair enough if you disagree with me, man. I'm not the Be Here Now police. I just think it's a better album than Dig Out Your Soul - which I don't think is shit, just timid and dull.
Where are the tunes? Where are the guitars? Where's the emotion?
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Oct 13, 2008 15:36:24 GMT -5
Yep, there is some cack on Be Here Now. When I saw them during the Be Here Now tour some of the tunes dragged on forever. Magic Pie, I agree, it's aimless guitar twiddling. Disagree with you about Don't Go Away, although I'm sure you're not singling it out in particular. "Me and you, what's going on? All we seem to know is how to show the feelings that are wrong?" Not the most literate lyric ever written, but it contains genuine emotion. Where is the genuine human emotion in Dig Out Your Soul? Fair enough if you disagree with me, man. I'm not the Be Here Now police. I just think it's a better album than Dig Out Your Soul - which I don't think is shit, just timid and dull. Where are the tunes? Where are the guitars? Where's the emotion? "Genuine human emotion"? We're talking about Oasis here, not Coldplay. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 15:40:55 GMT -5
What does Coldplay have to do with the conversation The Importance and I are having about Be Here Now / Dig Out Your Soul? I don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 17:44:37 GMT -5
Yeah man, fair play. Like I said, I love Be Here Now. It just makes me mad that it could have been better.
For Don't Go Away, it's just part of the case in that I hear a good tune in it, but the production ruins it. The acoustic versions Noel did? Fantastic.
And I do believe that there is genuine human emotion in DOYS, it's just not obvious or readily apparent. Like the title of the album, you kind of have to dig deep into it. I'm Outta Time is such a beautiful number and I refuse to believe it's about Lennon. Inspired by him, yes, but about him? Eh. Either way, it's a beautiful track to me. Waiting For The Rapture as well. I love how the somewhat sweet lyrics and melody contrast the very heavy music.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 18:05:24 GMT -5
I'm Outta Time is definately the centre of the album; "If I'm to fall, would you be there to applaud?" is a really good lyric that can be interpreted in different ways.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 22:23:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I see what Noel meant when he said it was the break, or the divider between two sides. Now, hopefully Liam starts writing more tunes at that same level of quality.
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Post by Northern Soul on Oct 14, 2008 10:32:10 GMT -5
Yeah... Be Here Now is far, far better. D'You Know What I Mean, Stand By Me, Girl In The Dirty Shirt, Fade In Out, Be Here Now, All Around The World, It's Gettin Better Man, The Fame, Flashbax, Going Nowhere, I Got The Fever. Considering The Fame, Flashbax, Going Nowhere, and I Got The Fever are all b-sides, that argument doesn't hold any water until you hear the b-sides for this album's singles. Girl in The Dirty Shirt and Fade In/Out aren't good at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 12:37:57 GMT -5
Ok. I'll change my opinion about an album I've loved for 10 years cos you think Fade In/Out isn't very good.
Please ignore the last few considered posts I made on this subject. I didn't realise all it took was some idiot to tell me I'd listed a few B-sides amongst the album tracks to make me realise I had it wrong.
God, there really are some fucking twats on this board.
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Post by jasonbourne on Oct 14, 2008 12:50:13 GMT -5
See, I like Girl in the Dirty shirt. Of course its way too fucking long (almost six minutes, christ), but the melody during during the bridge ("you've got a feeling lost inside it just won't let you go") is great. And Liam sounded PERFECT on BHN.
DOYS may flow better than BHN, but I'll take the songs from BHN any day of the week
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Oct 14, 2008 13:20:27 GMT -5
Girl in the dirty shit is a great song, and yes it does go on too long. Great chord changes all around, and great melody. Love the electric pianos they used around that time too...
To quote part of the Allmusic review, Be Here Now is an unstoppable force. Not as good as DM or MG, but it just steamrolls any possible lyric deficiencie's or lenght of songs because the melody and the energy and Liam's voice are so good on the entire thing. It's their most confident record out of all of them, and it definitely shines through in the music.
Put this album on when you're drinking with your friends, playing cards, at a barbecue, long car ride, etc. and you can't go wrong.
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Oct 14, 2008 14:00:36 GMT -5
What does Coldplay have to do with the conversation The Importance and I are having about Be Here Now / Dig Out Your Soul? I don't get it. It was that bit about genuine human emotion, which Oasis are not about, if you know what I mean, but which, as a matter of interest, it seems like Coldplay are about....entirely too much, if you ask me. |
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Oct 14, 2008 14:17:11 GMT -5
Why do so many dumbasses on here take Noel or Liam's overused/half-joking assertions as Gospel?
Coldplay suck? Bullshit. While Coldplay haven't yet beaten Oasis' early material, their material since they started in 01' has simply been better than Oasis' since 01'.
Coldplay's songs have no emotion? Ridiculous. Go listen to Parachutes or Rush of Blood to the Head.
Earth to idiots; Noel and Liam don't really think Coldplay suck; they just say that to get more press-time and attention. Same thing with Blur back in the day. Blur was an awesome band, of which now Noel will freely admit, but back then he just wanted to stoke the fire for more attetion, as he's doing now with Coldplay.
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