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Post by Shakermaker on Oct 12, 2008 20:10:05 GMT -5
Answer on why DOYS is a most essential album and why the next album will be the comeback of Oasis:
Next album is gonna be the BIG BANG COMEBACK OF OASIS, and will give Oasis the definete status to be added on the list of Most Essential Rock Bands In History! The list of bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Queen, Pink Floyd etc. Why? Well this is my philosofy :
Put Oasis on a timescale. Definitely Maybe was the born of a new era of rock 'n' roll music. Before Oasis came in, there was a time of grunge music, at the time the latest form of Rock 'n' Roll. But, if you look at that scene, the only real good band was Nirvana. Other bands were just doing the same thing, but weren't really that good. The MTV Unplugged gig was the highest point this grunge scene could reach to. By playing the Nirvana songs acoustic, the heavy guitarsongs transformed into the true sheer heart of it. Because this was done on the powerfull MTV, all around the world people could listen to songs that were actually real good written songs, accesable to a huge adience. Then, Kurt Cobain died, and so grunge music did.
This created a big empty gap. Someone had to take over. And Oasis came up with there debut album Definitely Maybe. Definitely Maybe brought back the real truth of Rock 'n' Roll music. The album referended to music like it was done in the Sixties, the Heydays of Rock 'n' Roll music. Influences by The Beatles, The Stones The Sex Pistols could be heared on this album. Besides, Oasis was not a MTV band, made by the commercial music industry, but a bunch fighting, shagging and loudmouthed rebellious young guys, with a good taste for music.
The masterplan was being the Best Band Of The World! Yes, the best one. Is Best band also greatest band ? Well, that's up to bands like U2 and the like, being commercial dolls, MTV tools. Being the best band in the world is abput making good music, music like it is ment to be. Definitely Maybe was the gateway to the future of Rock 'n' Roll music.
Then, second Oasis album (What's The Story) Morning Glory came out. For sure this album is the most accesable album Oasis has ever made. Therefore Oasis could grow immense. Every single song on this album were highly quality songs. The whole Britpop scene was in there glory days, thanks to bands like Blur and Pulp, and the press had put Oasis in this scene, tho, if you accutally compare Oasis to these bands, these bands are miles and miles away from Oasis. The only thing that they had in common was being British, and so part of the Great Britainia era of the 90's.
Then, Be Here Now came out. This album was expected to be the new Sergeant Peppers, the next big thing, the album that would glorify the state Britpop was in. But because of drugs and drinking problems, these things come with fame, the album turned out to be an album with poor lyrics, songs that were to long, and guitarsolo's added into every single bot of music without singing. The album was to overdone, and Oasis loosed concentration. Overall, Be Here Now is not THAT bad. But it just couldn't satisfy the expectations.
Oasis came at a point that they could stop or go on. The needed new blood. Guigsy and Bonehead left Oasis and Gem and Andy joined them. Oasis even thought of biving the Band a new name, but on advice of management and the new members, Oasis stayed Oasis.
The following up album was Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants. What you can hear on that album was songs left over from the Be Here Now era, polished by catchy loops and sounds, and Liam trying a more raw way of singing. The only song that referended to the heydays on that album was Go Let It Out.
Oasis had to start over from zero. It now was a band with new members and a already big fanbase. But nothing was like it was back in the 90's. This was the NEW OASIS.
Heathen Chemistry was the first real complete album by the new Oasis. Recorded and and mixed in their own studio. Liam still used he's new way of singing, and Noel was out of inspiration. Stop Crying Your Heart Out was the only real great classic work from Noels hands. Liams voice sound great on that one. Liam was given the oppertunity to write songs for that album as well. Songs like Songbird and Born On A Different Cloud showed he had a great potential to become a very good songwriter, and killed the off Little James.
Oasis was alive but not living. They needed a platform, someone or something that could lift them up again. After the solo project of Liam with Death In Vegas, Oasis decided to work with them. All members had been given the freedom by Noel to write songs for the album. A huge bunch of songs were written. The DIV session tho, weren't what the expected to be, and didn't make ith further then being demo's. Then Oasis found Dave Sardy. Songs that could be used from the DIV sessions were taken for the new album, and Dave could save what was left of it. It became the album as we all know as Don't Believe The Truth.
It was an album that was better the Heathen Chemistry, and the new Oasis had found the way of how to do the coming up albums. DBTT was the best they could do, in a time of need. The long awaited album showed that THE NEW OASIS is strong and full of potential.
THEN, after all this, Oasis releases an album called DIG OUT YOUR SOUL. An album of self-reflection. Oasis now is a kid, that has become mature. They digged out there souls, and experiment with new elements. Oasis starts up new ideas and forms of spreading there music by the NYC streetmusician project.
On this album you can hear Oasis being in between two sides. On one side the side of Oasis wanting to be the Oasis in the glory days in the 90's, on the other side Oasis that wants to move on, doing the things they actually wanna do.
Liam songs become better and better, and Noel is writting great songs again. Andy and Gem also have showed there songwriting qualities are rising up. Liams voice becomes better and better as well, after he fucked up his voice for to long. On DOYS you can really hear his voice is becoming more and more as it was back in the days. Something Liam also thinks himself.
Of what we have heard now, the next album is already demo'd for a huge bit. Liam says that after he's NYC visit in Lennons house, he didn't stop writting songs from that moment on, and Noel is full of inspiration. The leaked demo's Stop The Clocks and Record Machine are left of DOYS intentionally. Simply because they are to good for this album. The leaked demo's show an new Oasis becoming as glorious as the old Oasis used to be in the 90's. These two songs deserve a place on the album that will follow up DOYS.
The next album will show a band, a new Oasis being mature, full of inspitation, full of classic songs, and back were they belong. Being the Best Band Of The World. Their comeback album. Liams songs will touch it's fingertips to the greatness of Noels songwritting, and Noel will write songs like he used to do back in the heydays. Lyrics like "Gotta get me a doctor with a remedy / I'm gonna take a walk with the Monkey Man!" "I hear your soul song singing from a fire in the sky" are referending to the days that Noel was in top form.
Oasis is now back in business and the next album is gonna be the BIG BANG COMEBACK OF OASIS !
Well guys ... what d'ya think of my philosofy?
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Post by checkwithmemum on Oct 12, 2008 20:17:20 GMT -5
you make me happy
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Post by A on Oct 12, 2008 20:22:50 GMT -5
Wow.
Too long;didn't read.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 12, 2008 20:27:35 GMT -5
DBTT was Oasis' comeback album. DOYS confirmed this and showed DBTT was no fluke.
Fact of the matter is that the troubled times of 2000 to 2004 are well behind them now, and the trend will continue for the next album too. So while you're right that we can expect yet another amazing album, perhaps even better than DOYS. you're wrong about it being the "come back" album. Oasis have already marked their proper return with their 2005 release.
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Post by tank13 on Oct 12, 2008 20:35:27 GMT -5
In all honesty, I'm tired of thinking "The new album is going to be a return to form." IMO, Heathen Chemistry began that period and DBTT finished the "return to form phase." DOYS is Oasis kicked into another gear. A bit amped up, stronger, better. The next album will be great, as all oasis albums are.
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Post by Shakermaker on Oct 12, 2008 20:42:03 GMT -5
DBTT was Oasis' comeback album. DOYS confirmed this and showed DBTT was no fluke. Fact of the matter is that the troubled times of 2000 to 2004 are well behind them now, and the trend will continue for the next album too. So while you're right that we can expect yet another amazing album, perhaps even better than DOYS. you're wrong about it being the "come back" album. Oasis have already marked their proper return with their 2005 release. Well I think in a way you are right about that. DBTT proofed they left the troubled times behind. But DOYS shows an Oasis totally comfortable again, like they were in the heydays. And I believe the next album will proof they can be as glorious as they were back then. Oasis found back their 100% comfort while making DOYS. Songs like STC and Record Machine don't fit on DOYS. These, and other songs from the DBTT sessions and the DOYS sessions are left off for the next one intentionally. Simply because they are to good for this one. Noel learned from the Masterplan that he needs to be carefull with toptunes. Masterplan is a classic, but was released a a B-side, which was a mistake.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 12, 2008 20:54:44 GMT -5
DBTT was Oasis' comeback album. DOYS confirmed this and showed DBTT was no fluke. Fact of the matter is that the troubled times of 2000 to 2004 are well behind them now, and the trend will continue for the next album too. So while you're right that we can expect yet another amazing album, perhaps even better than DOYS. you're wrong about it being the "come back" album. Oasis have already marked their proper return with their 2005 release. Well I think in a way you are right about that. DBTT proofed they left the troubled times behind. But DOYS shows an Oasis totally comfortable again, like they were in the heydays. And I believe the next album will proof they can be as glorious as they were back then. Oasis found back their 100% comfort while making DOYS. Songs like STC and Record Machine don't fit on DOYS. These, and other songs from the DBTT sessions and the DOYS sessions are left off for the next one intentionally. Simply because they are to good for this one. Noel learned from the Masterplan that he needs to be carefull with toptunes. Masterplan is a classic, but was released a a B-side, which was a mistake. Actually, RM was suppose to be on DOYS I believe, but Noel said it was left off cos Liam got married or something and didnt have time to do the vocals.....
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Post by Shakermaker on Oct 12, 2008 20:57:15 GMT -5
Well I think in a way you are right about that. DBTT proofed they left the troubled times behind. But DOYS shows an Oasis totally comfortable again, like they were in the heydays. And I believe the next album will proof they can be as glorious as they were back then. Oasis found back their 100% comfort while making DOYS. Songs like STC and Record Machine don't fit on DOYS. These, and other songs from the DBTT sessions and the DOYS sessions are left off for the next one intentionally. Simply because they are to good for this one. Noel learned from the Masterplan that he needs to be carefull with toptunes. Masterplan is a classic, but was released a a B-side, which was a mistake. Actually, RM was suppose to be on DOYS I believe, but Noel said it was left off cos Liam got married or something and didnt have time to do the vocals..... Hahaha you believe that? Noel gots ya there !
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Post by keystone1316 on Oct 12, 2008 21:00:12 GMT -5
Im optomistic that the next album will be up there with the first 3. However, I felt the same way when I first heard about DOYS... and while the albums good... its not quite as good as the first 3.
Still..... I wouldnt be at all surprised if none of the songs the band has mentioned in recent years arent included on the next album.
Stop the Clocks time has passed... doubt they'll ever release a full version of it... shame Can't see them getting around to doing Record Machine either... Noels prolly bored of it by now Same with Come On, Its Alright... if the band really liked it they would have waited a bit so that they could finish it up. Might never see the light of day.
Think about it... in the years leading up to DOYS we'd heard about STC, Record Machine, Evil Eye, as well as all of the little snippets of songs on LDSMD that people went crazy for.
And yet the only songs that we'd heard about that actually got released were Aint Got Nothing (considered to be one of the worst songs on the album by many) and The Boy With the Blues (which was cast away, sadly, as a bonus track)
So Im not expecting any of these "old" tracks to appear on any future records
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Post by GasPanic on Oct 12, 2008 21:00:57 GMT -5
Well I think in a way you are right about that. DBTT proofed they left the troubled times behind. But DOYS shows an Oasis totally comfortable again, like they were in the heydays. And I believe the next album will proof they can be as glorious as they were back then. Oasis found back their 100% comfort while making DOYS. Songs like STC and Record Machine don't fit on DOYS. These, and other songs from the DBTT sessions and the DOYS sessions are left off for the next one intentionally. Simply because they are to good for this one. Noel learned from the Masterplan that he needs to be carefull with toptunes. Masterplan is a classic, but was released a a B-side, which was a mistake. Actually, RM was suppose to be on DOYS I believe, but Noel said it was left off cos Liam got married or something and didnt have time to do the vocals..... I thought it was because Liam threw a fit and wanted his song on the album or something like that I believe they were in LA when Liam got married, he flew back to get married on Valentine's Day
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Post by checkwithmemum on Oct 12, 2008 21:06:47 GMT -5
Noel is bullshitting about the Liam leaving thing. Noel left to have a kid halfway through, I blame him more than Liam
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Post by GasPanic on Oct 12, 2008 21:09:55 GMT -5
Noel had a kid in September, and they came back in November, a three month setback, so we really should have had the album in July or August....
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Oct 12, 2008 21:48:42 GMT -5
I think they are getting some much deserved attention in the states which is the key market. Bottom line is if they have a sorta Morning glory part 2 kinda thing going on for the next 1 like a few anthems a couple of slow love tunes and a few pounders that will do it. A 2010 version of what's the story.
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