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Post by webm@ster on Oct 12, 2008 10:59:11 GMT -5
Oasis, "Dig Out Your Soul" (Reprise) 1 1/2 Stars
Q. What's the difference between Oasis and Lenny Kravitz?
A. A Mancunian accent.
Wait, that's a bit unfair: America's hippie-dippy retro-rocker never wrote a classic-rock rip-off/homage as powerful as those on "(What's the Story) Morning Glory?," the 1995 album that, it has long since become clear, is the best main man Noel Gallagher will ever give us. But neither Noel nor Lenny is the least bit concerned with stretching his artistic horizons. "It's a working-class thing ... I'm not an experimenter," Noel said in one recent Gallagherism, while in another, he noted, "I'm trying salmon, that's as far as my interest in new things goes."
Fair enough, mate. But if that's the case, why the heck should we bother to buy your seventh album of alleged new material?
Blatantly unoriginal or not, if Noel could continue to deliver singles as mindlessly catchy as "Wonderwall" and "Champagne Supernova," Oasis would still be a guilty but genuine pleasure 17 years after it emerged during the heyday of Britpop and alternative rock. But "Dig Out Your Soul" is a plodding and lazy disc, with the rhythms too enervated to rise above the bombast of the wall of guitars, the melodic drones not nearly melodic enough and Noel contributing a mere six of the 11 tunes. (Brother Liam's three are, as has often been the case, eminently dismissible; the same is true of Gem Archer's sitar-decorated "To Be Where There's Life" and, sadly, "The Nature of Reality" by bassist Andy Bell, who proved as guitarist and co-leader of the late, great Ride that he was capable of infinitely better than this tossed-off blues stomper.)
What does that leave us? Well, we can assert that "Dig Out Your Soul" is a (slightly) better disc than the other three Oasis has given us in the new millennium, but that certainly is damning with faint praise. We can play the laughable lyrics game. ("Love is a litany, a magical mystery"; "Gotta get me a doctor with a remedy / I'm gonna take a walk with the Monkey Man!"; "I hear your soul song singing from a fire in the sky.") Or we can count the references to the boys' heroes. (The riff from the Doors' "Five to One" pilfered for "Waiting for the Rapture"; the John Lennon sample in "I'm Outta Time"; the "White Album" vibe of "(Get Off Your) High Horse Lady"; the "Dear Prudence" coda in "The Turning.")
Im Outta Time - Oasis
Then again, we could just admit it isn't worth the effort, since Oasis itself clearly can't be bothered to break a sweat on our behalf.
Jim DeRogatis
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Post by caats19 on Oct 12, 2008 11:14:42 GMT -5
i think webby likes to rile people up
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Post by hogy on Oct 12, 2008 11:17:18 GMT -5
I don't get it.. in the same article Jim says if noel continued to write songs like; then he lists songs from a 13 yr old album, then he goes onto say they arnt original. and they are banging out the same stuff..
which one is it Jim?? do u want the same stuff over and over.. or do u want originality.. im confused?!?
anyone else think something similar?
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Post by trikz on Oct 12, 2008 11:33:55 GMT -5
Whats wrong with those lyrics anyway?? are they a reference to beatles or something.. sometimes i still dont get why all thse reviewers look at some lyrics and there like LOL WTF IS THAT MENT TO MEAN THATS STUPID!! but obviously the writer knows what it means because its probobly something hes expierenced seen or something so how do they judge lyrics sometimes?? i dont get it at all =\
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Post by cloudburster on Oct 12, 2008 11:58:03 GMT -5
Fucking hell people call Oasis lazy, but in every review, good or bad, all they bang on about is the Beatles' references and barely mention the music. Lazy journalism.
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Post by samersarhan on Oct 12, 2008 12:30:16 GMT -5
What the fuck do those faggots know about real rock 'n roll music?
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Post by LlAM on Oct 12, 2008 12:48:45 GMT -5
Or we can count the references to the boys' heroes. (The riff from the Doors' "Five to One" pilfered for "Waiting for the Rapture"; the John Lennon sample in "I'm Outta Time"; the "White Album" vibe of "(Get Off Your) High Horse Lady"; the "Dear Prudence" coda in "The Turning.") It's funny how Oasis get slammed for being inspired by their heroes isn't it? When will people get in their thick sculls that it doesnt matter who wrote what or stole what, it's about if it sounds good or not. It's art for fucking out loud! "Ooohh, he swipes his paintbrush like van Gogh, this must mean it's a horrible painting" what the fuck!?
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Post by shanghaichica on Oct 12, 2008 13:41:02 GMT -5
I hate it that they go on about Oasis using samples and being influenced by their heros. Now I like Amy Winehouse but the 2 albums she has released have not only used samples from music by other artists but she's putting out 50's and 60's throw back music. The same thing with duffy, Kanye west is the biggest thief going everything he releases is just sample after sample. But the press dont slate them no they rant and rave about how they are innovative and are a breath of fresh air to the music industry. It makes me bloody sick. Hypocrisy.
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Post by MD on Oct 12, 2008 13:51:21 GMT -5
I'm from Chicago. Just for the record, Jim DeRogatis has said in the past he...and I quote, "Hates Oasis". So to say this is a fair and balanced review of "Dig Out Your Soul" is not exactly true. How can a critic write an honest review about anything if he/she already has a predisposition to hate the artist? I wouldn't take anything he says as to be a fair critic review. It is just unfortunate that he has such a large audience for his biased critique.
One more note, Jim DeRogatis has a stiking resemblance to the "Comic Book Guy" from The Simpsons...just a fat, miserable, lonely human being who hates everything. Most likely he wrote this Oasis review from his studio apartment in Chicago while mumbling to himself..."Oh, lonliness and cheesburgers can be a dangereous mix"
Message to Jim DeRogatis - if you ever come across this post..which most likely you will since you probably have your fat ass parked in front of the computer 95% of the day (the other 5% is spent ordering food or masturbating)....we obviously all know you are not hanging out with friends, the opposite sex, or getting laid....you can go FUCK yourself
Sincerely - L4E Forum Community
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Post by tank13 on Oct 12, 2008 13:53:27 GMT -5
I bet you he gave the Jonas Brothers and Miley Cryus high reviews.
I understand and respect people's opinions. However, when they're forumlated out of bullshit, I.e. this review and the rolling stone review, they reviewer really needs to be questioned seriously and say, did you really listen to the album? Or did you listen to the 30 second clips on amazon to base your review. This album doesn't reinvent the wheel, but it does rock your face off. And that is to be commended.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2008 13:56:19 GMT -5
This passes off as journalism? Sounds like he gathered a bunch of quotes from some forums and plastered them together.
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Post by dmg88 on Oct 12, 2008 18:38:05 GMT -5
i understand that some people can be disapointed with this album, after listening to morning glory or definitely maybe, but to say that its not good, its just ridiculous!
if doys was released by any other band, all the reviews would be positive!
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Post by webm@ster on Oct 12, 2008 19:03:10 GMT -5
i think webby likes to rile people up I think I'm pretty fair with the post selection in the newsroom . If it were pro Oasis articles only it wouldn't be have as fun and would not entice readers to partake in discussion
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Post by spaneli on Oct 12, 2008 21:22:16 GMT -5
Yes, I live in Chicago and we have two crap ass newspapers. Both our Sun-Times and Tribune are being sold and they have down siezed their best sports columnists, movie and music critics. I'm sorry for my newspapers sucking and if it means anything I go to the biggest High School in Illinois and in the U.S. and most people are extremely excited about doys and have bought on iTunes.
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Post by sword on Oct 13, 2008 5:41:42 GMT -5
I didn't think it was possible, but i've discovered a music journalist who is worse than any tosser from Q Magazine. Bends my mind...........
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Post by Northern Soul on Oct 13, 2008 8:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by sword on Oct 13, 2008 9:16:08 GMT -5
I've just sent the tosser an email. Considering he is a so called music journalist of many years, i found his review to be shabby, unproffesional and misleading. I will let you know if the tit replies.
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Post by caro on Oct 13, 2008 9:41:48 GMT -5
I'm from Chicago. Just for the record, Jim DeRogatis has said in the past he...and I quote, "Hates Oasis". So to say this is a fair and balanced review of "Dig Out Your Soul" is not exactly true. How can a critic write an honest review about anything if he/she already has a predisposition to hate the artist? I wouldn't take anything he says as to be a fair critic review. It is just unfortunate that he has such a large audience for his biased critique. One more note, Jim DeRogatis has a stiking resemblance to the "Comic Book Guy" from The Simpsons...just a fat, miserable, lonely human being who hates everything. Most likely he wrote this Oasis review from his studio apartment in Chicago while mumbling to himself..."Oh, lonliness and cheesburgers can be a dangereous mix" Message to Jim DeRogatis - if you ever come across this post..which most likely you will since you probably have your fat ass parked in front of the computer 95% of the day (the other 5% is spent ordering food or masturbating)....we obviously all know you are not hanging out with friends, the opposite sex, or getting laid....you can go FUCK yourself Sincerely - L4E Forum Community ;D
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Post by checkwithmemum on Oct 13, 2008 10:43:28 GMT -5
wrote this:
Jim,
I recently read the review you wrote for "Dig Out Your Soul", the new Oasis album. I was left feeling that the review was lazy and therefor hypocritical. You seem to be of the opinion that Oasis are a 'lazy band', yet you use the exact phrasing as a number of the other reviewers who have criticized this album. You claim that Oasis are ripping off their influences and not showing creativity, yet your review shows many similar traits.
I feel like you begun this review with preconceived ideas about what you would hear in this album and that these preconceived notions caused your review to suffer from bias. You have obviously intentionally constructed this review in this way to achieve a desired result, one which it appears you had set upon even before your first listen.
When push comes to shove Jim, someone who is attempting to review an album should do so in the least biased way as to increase the reviewers credibility with the reader. You have not done this. I am also of the belief that if you are not willing to put yourself in the position to understand fully what any band/genre of music represents then you are not fit to review the album. As an example Jim; I have never been a man of the opera and therefor would feel unqualified to review a piece of operatic music, do you not think that this should be the case for you. Rock and Roll music is about having fun and not letting others opinions inhibit your lifestyle, I feel like a man in your position is unqualified to give a review on any music in this genre as you seem to have very little grasp on the ideals of rock and roll.
As someone who sits on the other side of the Oasis fence to you I feel that it is only fair that before finishing this letter that I give my thoughts on the album.
This is by far the best collection of songs Oasis have put together, it is not the usual hit single plus filler compilation that Oasis's have become more and more know for. In fact this album to me has no obvious singles and this is evident by the fact that the lead off single, The Shock of the Lightning, was not a huge success in the UK.
A large number of the songs are of a very high quality, in my opinion the first five songs on the album rank highly within the last decade of work by Oasis, all these songs have a driving effect on me and I find myself being drawn into the song. This very much excited me upon listening to the album as I have not felt this from many of Oasis's previous 3 albums and have not had this effect from many songs released this decade. The use of instruments other than guitars fascinates me and begins to show a more adventurous side of Oasis, who generally play it safe behind a wall of guitars and snarling vocals. The incorporation of more striking drum patterns has introduced a new element to the band as drums have never been an instrument of a huge priority in this band, I find that it adds to the album and helps connect the songs whilst also contributing to the 'driving effect' that i spoke about earlier. Liam, whose vocals have returned to a similar position to what they were in the late 90's, also contributes to this.
The album then concludes with a range of different sounding songs of both a rocking nature, such as The Nature of Reality, and slower more burning songs, like Soldier On. These final four songs are not what I have come to expect from Oasis. It is true that they are of a lesser quality than the opening seven songs but they also serve a purpose in relaxing and soothing the listener after the initial confrontational opening.
A fair amount of my review has been positive, it would be biased to leave the less inspired moments untouched. This album most definitely has some 'clunky' moments. Songs such as Get Off Your (High Horse Lady) and Ain't Got Nothin' felt me feeling as if the band has chosen these songs to fit the album, rather than selecting their best songs. This has contributed to the overall consistent feel but has detracted as well because of the noticeable holes they leave in the album.
I also find songs such as Gem Archer's To Be Where There's Life a tad uninspired. Even-though this song incorporates that guitar-less sound that i praised earlier it also seems to be lacking a clear and concise melody, something of which Oasis are renowned for. This has we beginning to doubt the inclusion of Archer's songs as I have yet to see him produce anything in the way of classic song writing.
Keeping all of this in mind I have given the album an overall rating of 7.5/10. This is because I, as everyone else, know Oasis can write better songs and can produce better music than this. But in Dig Out Your Soul they have still given us their most compelling effort in 13 years, leaving me with an expectation of greater things to come.
Jim would it be too much to ask that from now on when you attempt to review an album you try to establish some connection with the ideologies of that genre and write a review that shows a depth of knowledge, rather than one that displays blatant ignorance?
Yours Thankfully
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Post by checkwithmemum on Oct 13, 2008 18:28:33 GMT -5
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