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Post by Oasis39 on Aug 21, 2008 22:03:16 GMT -5
Roll Call. Should it be legal or not. While I smoke weed, about to quit for the service though, I think it should be legalized. Seeing how much less harmful it is than Drinking and Ciggarettes, why shouldnt it be legal? what you do in the privacy of your own home shouldnt be anyones concern, unless it was something bad, which smoking weed isnt. What you do to your own body is your right. While i wouldnt recomend anyone smoke weed, it def should be legalized and its really the only drug thats illegal that I think should be legal. All other drugs (Cocain, Heroin,Meth,Crack etc..) should be illegal and law enforcement should be targetting those who are doing THOSE drugs. Weed is not the problem.
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Post by 32shutout on Aug 21, 2008 22:11:45 GMT -5
Absolutely.
You should be able to whatever you want with your body, if you don't harm someone else. I think most drugs should be legalized. Removing the 'black market' would do worlds of good imho.
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Post by Oasis39 on Aug 21, 2008 22:22:14 GMT -5
Absolutely. You should be able to whatever you want with your body, if you don't harm someone else. I think most drugs should be legalized. Removing the 'black market' would do worlds of good imho. Ehh, Heroin and drugs like that shouldnt be legal. Have the government tackle the bigger drugs like that, and leave the pot smokers alone. It would do alot of good. Prison over-crowding is a problem in America, and so many people are in for Marijuana related crimes. Even simple possesion. Weed is not the problem. I hope noone here is stupid enough to do drugs like Heroin,Crack,Meth etc... they dont do anything good and lead to all bad things. But weed on the otherhand, if you can control it, its not bad. If you dont let it kill your ambition, it wont. But if you get crazy with weed, it can make you a lazy fuck. But weed in moderation is totally ok |
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Post by andyemm1 on Aug 22, 2008 10:10:25 GMT -5
Yeah I agree man, i've smoked hash and tried ecstacy. Although while hash should be legal, all the other drugs like oasis39 mentioned such as herion, crack, coke, ees, meth should all be illegal.
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Post by thebluemeaniee on Aug 29, 2008 15:28:01 GMT -5
yeah it should be legal then i wouldent have to chase it ;D.all pot does is makes ya silly in turn you get the munchies then what rob a convient store NO!!you goto bed thinking about where your gonna find stash for the following evening.thats all its stupid the govt makes such a big deal out of somthing alot of people are into.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 29, 2008 16:25:15 GMT -5
Yup. Regulation, legalization, and decriminalization to all drugs (cept Heroin and Cocaine) is what's needed.
Ecstasy has been proven to be one of the safest drugs there is in it's purest form. - It's only when criminals get their hands on it and lace it with other toxins does it get dangerous. People only die from pure MDMA due to dehydration or water intoxication - and that's even rare - so education would be better than prohibition.
Furthermore, prohibition never worked, it's not working now, and it'll never work. Drugs are as available as ever, and are dangerous due to the fact that it's underground run by criminals and gangs. Taking drugs out of the hands of such people and regulating the drugs like alcohol would be the best option.
Speaking of alcohol, every anti-drug argument can be negated by alcohol (and tobacco). One of the most dangerous drugs that kills thousands and thousands of people directly (alcohol poisoning, liver failure, etc) and indirectly (drunk driving, etc), has incredibly high abuse, dependency, and addiction potential (much higher than some class A drugs like MDMA and Weed), and yet it remains legal, marketed everywhere, easily accessible, and almost forced on the entire population (drink to celebrate, drink for almost every special occasion, etc).
So if people are pro-drinking but anti-other drugs, they are hypocrites and their stance is contradictory. If alcohol is legal, then so should MDMA and Weed, etc be.
One last point - legalizing/regulating drugs won't make more people take them. Ok, yeah there might be an initial spike as people become more inclined to experiment since it's legal, but the fact is that the majority of people who want to do drugs are already doing them, irregardless of legality. Regulation only provides a much safer alternative for those that choose to do so - and that's the primary role of the government: to keep it's citizens safe (and not to take away their liberties of what someone can and cant put into their own body). By continuing a failing policy, the government is failing to protect it's citizens to the best of it's ability.
I also believe that within most of our life times - ie within the next 40 to 50 years - I strongly believe these drugs will be regulated and legalized. The notion of such a policy is gaining more attention - a few clips on broadcast news about it, Ron Paul the former presidential candidate strongly supports regulation, there's a legal high industry where companies legally exploit loopholes and create new substances that mimick their banned counterparts, and the fact that the drug war has failed and will never succeed.
How anyone can support this failing drug war policy is beyond me. Time, money - your taxes primarily - are all going to a failing policy. Regulation will be the right choice, and the government will eventually reach that conclusion.
Rant over.
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Aug 29, 2008 16:27:52 GMT -5
what twat said no...show yourself!  |
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Post by lionsden® on Aug 29, 2008 17:27:23 GMT -5
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 29, 2008 18:02:55 GMT -5
I voted no.
I don't smoke, and don't care if you do, but pot shouldn't be legalized. It should should be decriminalized. Marijuana would become just another avenue for corporate profits if it were legalized.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 29, 2008 19:38:43 GMT -5
I voted no. I don't smoke, and don't care if you do, but pot shouldn't be legalized. It should should be decriminalized. Marijuana would become just another avenue for corporate profits if it were legalized. So it's better that it's funding crime instead? Brilliant.  And nor do I smoke, for that matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2008 19:56:55 GMT -5
I voted no. I don't smoke, and don't care if you do, but pot shouldn't be legalized. It should should be decriminalized. Marijuana would become just another avenue for corporate profits if it were legalized. So it's better that it's funding crime instead? Brilliant. And nor do I smoke, for that matter. check out the netherlands and then show me the crime it is funding |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2008 19:57:44 GMT -5
all drugs should be legal, also prostitution ans suicide should be legal
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Post by lionsden® on Aug 29, 2008 20:18:42 GMT -5
all drugs should be legal, also prostitution ans suicide should be legal Oh come on now man don't be a fucking idiot. Not ALL drugs should be legalized. I agree about prostitution though.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2008 20:22:34 GMT -5
all drugs should be legal, also prostitution ans suicide should be legal Oh come on now man don't be a fucking idiot. Not ALL drugs should be legalized. I agree about prostitution though. to be honest by the time your on herion i don't think its legality is an issue, i can't see that it being legal will increasing use. |
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Post by lionsden® on Aug 29, 2008 20:26:51 GMT -5
Oh come on now man don't be a fucking idiot. Not ALL drugs should be legalized. I agree about prostitution though. to be honest by the time your on herion i don't think its legality is an issue, i can't see that it being legal will increasing use. So you don't mind making it that much easier for someone to either kill themself, or destroy their own life? And don't tell me heroin is a recreational drug. |
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Post by eva on Aug 29, 2008 20:30:32 GMT -5
suicide? WTF??
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 29, 2008 20:38:34 GMT -5
My mega post says it all. Need I say more?
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Post by lionsden® on Aug 29, 2008 20:48:39 GMT -5
My mega post says it all. Need I say more? Not reading all of your copy and paste shite. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 29, 2008 20:53:09 GMT -5
My mega post says it all. Need I say more? Not reading all of your copy and paste shite. I didn't copy and paste that dummy. I spent my own time typing that myself. Cos I have no life. Eva would agree. |
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Post by daysleeper on Aug 29, 2008 21:47:15 GMT -5
My mega post says it all. Need I say more? well you could try saying something worthwhile your 'mega post' is largely bollocks. and contradictory from the very start! how can you say except cocaine and heroin?? it totally fucks up your point in this sentance - "So if people are pro-drinking but anti-other drugs, they are hypocrites and their stance is contradictory." your stance is contradictory you nonce! you're instantly defining what you think are safe and non-safe drugs, which is exactly what soceity has done for years. most (possibly all?) drugs are safe in their purest form, in small doses. its not about how safe they are really, its about the effect they have on people's lives. yes alcohol has a massive effect but cant you imgaine what it would be like if 75% of the population were doing coke and LSD everyday?? come on man.... alcohol kills thousands more, thats coz its used by millions more! your argument about the goverment keeping its citizens safe is just total bullshit. have a word with yourself. think about what society is in terms of protecting vulnerable people rant not over ;D  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 29, 2008 23:03:43 GMT -5
My mega post says it all. Need I say more? well you could try saying something worthwhile your 'mega post' is largely bollocks. and contradictory from the very start! how can you say except cocaine and heroin?? it totally fucks up your point in this sentance - "So if people are pro-drinking but anti-other drugs, they are hypocrites and their stance is contradictory." your stance is contradictory you nonce! you're instantly defining what you think are safe and non-safe drugs, which is exactly what soceity has done for years. most (possibly all?) drugs are safe in their purest form, in small doses. its not about how safe they are really, its about the effect they have on people's lives. yes alcohol has a massive effect but cant you imgaine what it would be like if 75% of the population were doing coke and LSD everyday?? come on man.... alcohol kills thousands more, thats coz its used by millions more! your argument about the goverment keeping its citizens safe is just total bullshit. have a word with yourself. think about what society is in terms of protecting vulnerable people rant not over ;D You're taking the piss/playing devil's advocate surely? I claim the likes of heroin and cocaine should always remain illegal because we have substantial proof of the dangers of those drugs. While with other substances, that's not the case. Ecstasy, for example, was banned and made illegal rashly and based on false scientific data. Only recently have studies shown that Ecstasy doesn't necessarily cause brain damage, and it's overall incredibly safe. The fact is that if alcohol was introduced into society today, it would be a class A drug, there's no doubt about that. The whole class system must be revolutionized. I'm not saying ban alcohol or anything of that nature, quite the opposite, actually! If society can function well enough off of an incredibly dangerous and addictive drug such as alcohol, it can surely function fine in the presence of less harmful drugs such as ecstasy and weed. Check out BBC's Horizon Episode: "Is Alcohol Worse Than Ecstasy?".....in this program, they rank Britain's top 20 dangerous drugs, illegal and legal, based off of the latest scientific studies. The program places: Ecstasy: #18 Weed: #11 Tobacco: #9 Alcohol: #5 Cocaine: #2 Heroin: #1 Just to give you a sense. Furthermore, there's a good documentary about Ecstasy on youtube - Done by ABC and Peter Jennings First part is here - Ecstasy Rising: ^That should make you mad at the governments attitude and reasoning for banning at least Ecstasy. It's programs like the two mentioned above - done by respectable sources (BBC and ABC) that will slowly turn the tide of the government's current stance on drugs. Eventually, after more and more likeminded programs, and after this becomes even more present in the mainstream media, will the government be forced to take notice. Again, 40-50 years MAX until we see a shift towards regulation and legalization. Although I wouldn't be too surprised if it occurs within the next 15- 20 years at the rate of coverage about this issue that is already occurring. Why regulation/legalization would be ideal: 1.) Stop/limit funding criminals 2.) Take drugs out of criminal hands: Safe, can't be laced with anything 3.) Prohibition simply just doesn't work 4.) The dangers of the majority of the drugs as they are currently classified are exaggerated and based on bad science and rash decisions - government is losing credibility, which isn't a good thing 5.) It's technically unconstitutional to ban substances - an amendment is needed (an amendment was created when alcohol was prohibited, should be no different for other drugs), plus it's not the role of the government to decide what I can and can't put into my own body, as long as no one else is endangered. - Regulation is the answer, not prohibition 6.) The War on Drugs has officially failed - time to try another strategy rather than continuing pumping time, resources, money, taxes, into a failing system ^That's a pretty damn convincing list - some points more important than others, but all are valid points nonetheless. |
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Post by Oasis39 on Aug 30, 2008 0:21:35 GMT -5
I think its pretty redic to say Ecstasy is less dangerous than weed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2008 5:42:28 GMT -5
to be honest by the time your on herion i don't think its legality is an issue, i can't see that it being legal will increasing use. So you don't mind making it that much easier for someone to either kill themself, or destroy their own life? And don't tell me heroin is a recreational drug. personally i think it would be safer if it was legal. anyway you would legalise one drug at a time and monotor everything so maybe my view would change as other drugs became legal. and no i don't see heroin as a recreational drug. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2008 5:45:50 GMT -5
i'm not in favour of people killing themselves but i don't see why it should be a criminal offence |
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Post by Oasis39 on Aug 30, 2008 9:55:57 GMT -5
Having to wear your own seatbelt shouldnt be a law
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