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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 8, 2008 11:53:30 GMT -5
...yeah, unless you're working out, or heading to and fro' the gym, those are rediculous, no matter what country you're in.
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Post by miaki on Aug 8, 2008 16:40:56 GMT -5
What exactly is a 'shell-suit'? They constantly make fun of Begbie about that in Traispotting (the book) and I never knew what the fuck that was. Is that a full track suit? similar to a track suit but made of some cheap nylon type material, ...they were high fashion in the 1980s, always seemed to come in garish colours
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 8, 2008 18:58:28 GMT -5
What the hell are you on about lol, being gay isn't like religion, you don't convert to being straight, nor do you learn the ways of being gay. You are what you are. That's an inaccurate generalisation. For many, it's a lifestyle choice - and for others, it's a realisation. And what about bisexual people? Are they all 'born that way'? People can change, and people DO change.
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Post by jasonbourne on Aug 8, 2008 19:05:10 GMT -5
For many, it's a lifestyle choice - and for others, it's a realisation. And what about bisexual people? Are they all 'born that way'? ? You're saying some people are pretending to be gay just to spice up their life?
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 8, 2008 19:08:39 GMT -5
Pretty much. Well, maybe not 'pretending', as such - more 'choosing'. People don't have to be born gay in order to be gay.
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Post by jasonbourne on Aug 8, 2008 19:12:27 GMT -5
Hmmm. Being straight, I can't speak intelligently on this subject, but I'm sure that line of thinking would offend some gay people...
...how the hell did this discussion stray so far off topic.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 8, 2008 19:22:00 GMT -5
I'm sure it would. But it doesn't mean I'm wrong.
There are people who choose to have a one-off relationship with someone of the same sex specifically because of how much that particular person means to them - or the inherent qualities they see in said person. And we're not talking about 'experimentation' here; we're talking about a full-blown, kitchen sink relationship.
Off-topic, schmoff-topic.
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Post by baresolid on Aug 10, 2008 8:44:04 GMT -5
Wrong. You are either aroused by men or not.
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Post by Robohump on Aug 10, 2008 20:25:02 GMT -5
Wrong. You are either aroused by men or not. Wrong. While there are many people who are "born gay", there are also many people who CHOOSE to be in same-sex relationships for one reason or another. It's seems more common for females (or maybe it's just more common for them to admit it).
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 10, 2008 21:33:15 GMT -5
Wrong. You are either aroused by men or not. Wrong. While there are many people who are "born gay", there are also many people who CHOOSE to be in same-sex relationships for one reason or another. It's seems more common for females (or maybe it's just more common for them to admit it). Nonsense. It's all but unanimously agreed upon in the scientific world that being 'gay' all comes down chromosomes and such, and nothing to do with choice. Just ask ugottahavefun, he can probably share his experiences....
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 10, 2008 21:51:28 GMT -5
So let me get this straight (no pun intended) - you're suggesting that it's not at all possible for a heterosexual person to have an intimate relationship with someone of the same sex - even once - by choice? You're suggesting that that one-off relationship could not be a result of changes, circumstances and choices in the person's life, but in fact an unavoidable event determined by that person's fooking chromosomes, from birth?
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 10, 2008 22:09:41 GMT -5
Sure you could have a 'gay experience' out of curiosity or whatever, just as someone can 'choose' to jump out of a window to their death. Is it natural for someone to want to jump out of window to their death? No. But they can still do it for whatever reason.
If someone 'experiment's it doesn't mean that that person is necessarily gay. Girls kiss each other all the time just to get attention at bars just to get attention from guys; are they gay? No.
To me, GAY has to do with your subconsious and natural urges. You either do or you don't like people of the same sex. Course people can 'experiment' even if that isn't their preference. But if you are gay (you naturally prefer sex with people of the same sex- that's my definition at least), it's not your decision.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 10, 2008 22:33:39 GMT -5
That's kind of what I've been getting at - only I don't know if you can really categorise a meaningful same-sex relationship as 'experimentation', as such. It just seems like such a crude definition. Of course, the whole thing's a bit of a grey area...
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 10, 2008 22:38:23 GMT -5
Yeah, like I said, we should probably just defer to ugottahavefun on this one, as he'd probably be able to go into detail....hehehehee ;D
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Post by Robohump on Aug 10, 2008 23:27:11 GMT -5
Wrong. While there are many people who are "born gay", there are also many people who CHOOSE to be in same-sex relationships for one reason or another. It's seems more common for females (or maybe it's just more common for them to admit it). Nonsense. It's all but unanimously agreed upon in the scientific world that being 'gay' all comes down chromosomes and such, and nothing to do with choice. Just ask ugottahavefun, he can probably share his experiences.... Unanimously agreed upon in the scientific world??? Did you pull that one out of your arse? There is no "gay gene". If there was, there wouldn't be a single case of identical twins where one is gay and the other is not (there are MANY such cases). There are MILLIONS of people in the world who identify themselves as "straight" but who have engaged in same-sex relationships by CHOICE. It has nothing to do with genetics. Alanis Morissett for one. I suspect Lindsay Lohan will "go straight" again at some point. etc, etc. etc.
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Post by keystone1316 on Aug 10, 2008 23:37:22 GMT -5
Jesus... it has nothing to do w/ chromosomes or anything like that.
The fact is that when God loves someone, he makes them straight. When God hates someone, he makes them gay and forces them to deny their chemical emotions. Failing to do so results in eternal damnation.
Haven't any of you read the damn Bible lately???
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Post by Robohump on Aug 10, 2008 23:49:12 GMT -5
Jesus... it has nothing to do w/ chromosomes or anything like that. The fact is that when God loves someone, he makes them straight. When God hates someone, he makes them gay and forces them to deny their chemical emotions. Failing to do so results in eternal damnation. Haven't any of you read the damn Bible lately??? There's nothing like that in the Bible. Maybe you were reading a comic book or something.
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Post by jasonbourne on Aug 11, 2008 0:19:29 GMT -5
Jesus... it has nothing to do w/ chromosomes or anything like that. The fact is that when God loves someone, he makes them straight. When God hates someone, he makes them gay and forces them to deny their chemical emotions. Failing to do so results in eternal damnation. Haven't any of you read the damn Bible lately??? Anybody else find it funny that he blasphemes but then goes on to reference the bible.
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Post by Robohump on Aug 11, 2008 2:33:56 GMT -5
Jesus... it has nothing to do w/ chromosomes or anything like that. The fact is that when God loves someone, he makes them straight. When God hates someone, he makes them gay and forces them to deny their chemical emotions. Failing to do so results in eternal damnation. Haven't any of you read the damn Bible lately??? Anybody else find it funny that he blasphemes but then goes on to reference the bible. Mildly amusing, yes.
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Post by mrmonkey on Aug 11, 2008 2:35:47 GMT -5
what a funny thread
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 11, 2008 6:37:07 GMT -5
The fact is that when God loves someone, he makes them straight. When God hates someone, he makes them gay and forces them to deny their chemical emotions. Failing to do so results in eternal damnation. I sincerely hope you're kidding, pal.
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Post by nehemiah on Aug 11, 2008 6:40:47 GMT -5
Jesus... it has nothing to do w/ chromosomes or anything like that. The fact is that when God loves someone, he makes them straight. When God hates someone, he makes them gay and forces them to deny their chemical emotions. Failing to do so results in eternal damnation. Haven't any of you read the damn Bible lately??? Haha!!
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Post by baresolid on Aug 11, 2008 7:21:44 GMT -5
Jesus... it has nothing to do w/ chromosomes or anything like that. The fact is that when God loves someone, he makes them straight. When God hates someone, he makes them gay and forces them to deny their chemical emotions. Failing to do so results in eternal damnation. Haven't any of you read the damn Bible lately??? Ban this idiot.
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 11, 2008 9:20:53 GMT -5
Anybody else find it funny that he blasphemes but then goes on to reference the bible. Mildly amusing, yes. He was being facetious you morons....
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 11, 2008 9:23:10 GMT -5
Nonsense. It's all but unanimously agreed upon in the scientific world that being 'gay' all comes down chromosomes and such, and nothing to do with choice. Just ask ugottahavefun, he can probably share his experiences.... Unanimously agreed upon in the scientific world??? Did you pull that one out of your arse? There is no "gay gene". If there was, there wouldn't be a single case of identical twins where one is gay and the other is not (there are MANY such cases). There are MILLIONS of people in the world who identify themselves as "straight" but who have engaged in same-sex relationships by CHOICE. It has nothing to do with genetics. Alanis Morissett for one. I suspect Lindsay Lohan will "go straight" again at some point. etc, etc. etc. Listen dicknose, people can physically do anything they CHOOSE to. Like I said, is it natural for someone to want to kill themselve? No. Can they? Yes. For those who really are not inherently gay (people are either born that way or not - proven), they can still choose to do whatever the fuck they want to, even if it's not their natural tendency or urge.
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