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Post by docholliday on Aug 5, 2008 6:32:35 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, I'm here in the States too
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Post by ugottahavefun on Aug 5, 2008 6:58:33 GMT -5
Well there's the general perception of (a) a country and (b) it's age-groups. For (a) Oasis are classed are a good band, because their most popular song is quite an average (for oasis standards) tune. Everyone seems to like Chris' I've got a dildo up my bottom'' Matin, U2 (sooooooo over-rated) and fuck-it-I-don't-know what else.
For (b) the majority of 27 to 38 year olds would recognise oasis as a great band i would presume. Amongst my age group Oasis are classified almost as a band from the stone-age. However I've successfully brainwashed at least 10 of them by shoving copies of cds into their hands.
Oasis in the glory days were so good they didn't really need any promotion, but now the case is different
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Post by baresolid on Aug 5, 2008 7:09:35 GMT -5
Basically in England you will find that almost everyone knows the words to the following songs. 1) Supersonic 2) Cigarettes and Alcohol 3) Live Forever 4) Wonderwall 5) Don't Look Back in Anger 6) Champagne Supernova 7) Little By Little 8) Stop Crying Your Heart Out 9) Lyla
Many will also know their other songs, most often Rock'n'Roll Star, Stand By Me, Some Might Say and the Importance of Being Idle. The people I know either think that Oasis are one of the true rock'n'roll bands left or that Oasis are trite rubbish. There is no chav (ned) correlation in the appreciation of the band.
In fact most chavs seem to hate all music that isn't a) drum'n'bass b) grime c) rap or typical American r'n'b In fact one chav I was talking to referred to Oasis as 'oldskool'.
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Post by l41n on Aug 5, 2008 7:17:21 GMT -5
Well there's the general perception of (a) a country and (b) it's age-groups. For (a) Oasis are classed are a good band, because their most popular song is quite an average (for oasis standards) tune. Everyone seems to like Chris' I've got a dildo up my bottom'' Matin, U2 (sooooooo over-rated) and fuck-it-I-don't-know what else. For (b) the majority of 27 to 38 year olds would recognise oasis as a great band i would presume. Amongst my age group Oasis are classified almost as a band from the stone-age. However I've successfully brainwashed at least 10 of them by shoving copies of cds into their hands. Oasis in the glory days were so good they didn't really need any promotion, but now the case is different Mate, Chris Martin is talented...we can't deny that. How come you hate Coldplay so much?
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Post by ugottahavefun on Aug 5, 2008 7:22:51 GMT -5
Well there's the general perception of (a) a country and (b) it's age-groups. For (a) Oasis are classed are a good band, because their most popular song is quite an average (for oasis standards) tune. Everyone seems to like Chris' I've got a dildo up my bottom'' Matin, U2 (sooooooo over-rated) and fuck-it-I-don't-know what else. For (b) the majority of 27 to 38 year olds would recognise oasis as a great band i would presume. Amongst my age group Oasis are classified almost as a band from the stone-age. However I've successfully brainwashed at least 10 of them by shoving copies of cds into their hands. Oasis in the glory days were so good they didn't really need any promotion, but now the case is different Mate, Chris Martin is talented...we can't deny that. How come you hate Coldplay so much? He's a dick. See his performance of Live Forever with Noel. Coldplay albums are over-rated, two or three good songs per album and that's it. Plus he reminds of me of THierr Henry whose a gooner
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Post by l41n on Aug 5, 2008 7:36:23 GMT -5
Yeah I've seen that one, and yeah I think he is a dick.
But he has made some good music, A Rush Of Blood and Parachutes are both incredible albums, especially the former. Sure his latest isn't the best...I'd be the first to say that.
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Post by 32shutout on Aug 5, 2008 9:45:06 GMT -5
Parachutes puts me to sleep, i can't sit through it. I quite like the second one though, and a few off their third...
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 5, 2008 9:48:32 GMT -5
He's a dick. See his performance of Live Forever with Noel. "Can we play it a bit faster, man?" "Err, no." "But..." "Whose fucking song is this anyway?"
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Post by KPZK the Most Supreme...Thingy on Aug 6, 2008 12:25:18 GMT -5
This has been said a million times before, but where I live, they're thought of as a few-hits wonder that split 10 years ago.
And if you find anybody who calls him/herself an Oasis fan, s/he is a) a poser who only likes Wonderwall, CS, etc. or b) a real fan.
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Post by AbbeyR0ad on Aug 6, 2008 12:38:12 GMT -5
Coldplay are amazing, Noel loves them, there is a reason a lot of people love them, shut the fuck up. They can't even be compared to Oasis, they are ENTIRELY different bands that sound NOTHING alike. I live in midwest America and most people have heard of Oasis, but couldn't even link their name to 'Wonderwall,' a song that probably 3/4 of the population here knows. But I agree, Oasis do attract some real idiots. I guess every band does though. but after everyone saw Russell Brand talk about this 'Liam and Noel' thing in Forgetting Sara Marshall, they at least know their names.
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Post by thedon on Aug 6, 2008 12:58:58 GMT -5
I honestly wasn't aware of how little impact they've made in the US, wow.
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 6, 2008 13:27:48 GMT -5
This has been said a million times before, but where I live, they're thought of as a few-hits wonder that split 10 years ago. And if you find anybody who calls him/herself an Oasis fan, s/he is a) a poser who only likes Wonderwall, CS, etc. or b) a real fan. This is sadly true. Only the real music-nerds and some musicians really know Oasis beyond their mid nineties popularity in America. After MG, they pretty much fell off the mainstream in the US. But those who know of them beyond MG in America, usually are big fans and appreciate their dominance. And by the way, what's with all the disdain for Coldplay? Their first two albums are excellent. First one has some great music on it, perfect for listening on your own studying, reading, relaxing, contemplating, etc. Second one is genius, IMO.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 6, 2008 13:44:13 GMT -5
This has been said a million times before, but where I live, they're thought of as a few-hits wonder that split 10 years ago. And if you find anybody who calls him/herself an Oasis fan, s/he is a) a poser who only likes Wonderwall, CS, etc. or b) a real fan. This is sadly true. Only the real music-nerds and some musicians really know Oasis beyond their mid nineties popularity in America. After MG, they pretty much fell off the mainstream in the US. But those who know of them beyond MG in America, usually are big fans and appreciate their dominance. And by the way, what's with all the disdain for Coldplay? Their first two albums are excellent. First one has some great music on it, perfect for listening on your own studying, reading, relaxing, contemplating, etc. Second one is genius, IMO. Since we all rank Oasis albums, why not do the same for Coldplay: 1.) AROBTTH: 5/5 2.) Parachutes: 4/5 3.) VLV: 3/5 4.) X+Y: 3/5 VLV had potential, but they seriously fucked it up with the style they went with, and some of the lyrics are just dreadful - Chris Martins worst to date. Here's what drives me crazy about Coldplay - after 2 very dissapointing albums (general consensus as well as my opinion) the media still loves them. Compare that to Oasis how when they had even ONE bad album (BHN) the media pummeled them. Coldplay are the media's darling, that's why they're still a big band, if they had the same image as attitude of Oasis, they would have fallen so fast by now. And if their 5th album isn't a big improvement over their previous 2, then I think "average" will have to be applied to them - one amazing album doesn't propel you to stand amongst the greats, you need to have more than that. As for the general perception of Oasis, I would have to say in the US they are indeed known for Wonderwall, CS, etc....but worldwide they still have that same reputation as they did in the mid 90s I reckon (Bar the bad boy image, they have grown up now). But with them gathering more supporters, fans, and favorable reviews with DBTT, everything looks good for Oasis as we expect another mega album and a monumental tour in the coming months. Oasis' popularity may have dipped between 2000 and 2004 but it's now surging, all thanks to them maturing and the success of DBTT.
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Post by twinklesthedog on Aug 6, 2008 13:54:04 GMT -5
Not to digress this column into a topic on Coldplay...
But I think one of the reasons they've had success in penetrating and remaining as a leading act in the US is due to:
1) they really have said "all the right things" and done "all the right things". They're media friendly...the dude's married to big bird, Gwyneth...and they do the press touring, etc.
Wheread, Oasis simply aren't. They don't say PC things. They arent married to a Hollywood'esque star (let's not go there). They're not media friendly (they show up drunk, are rude, etc)
2) Coldplay I think has and continues to benefit from label support. I think now that EMi needs them more, they'll get even more latitude.
I'm not at all saying Oasis should change...just that those are some reasons why they've had difficulty penetrating the american market. That...and uh...SOTSOG kinda blew..hehehe
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 6, 2008 13:57:12 GMT -5
The reason Coldplay are bigger than Oasis in America and have been 'at the top' for so long here is because;
--Coldplay is consistently more 'cross-over' (i.e. MOR) and appeals to a larger audience. Oasis is Rock and Roll and/or Alternative (and a very British band at that). Right there, that narrows your audience down and excludes Moms, most women, younger kids etc....There is a reason Wonderwall (and Champaigne Supernova) were their biggest hits; they are 'cross-over'.
-- Chris Martin has made himself more accessible to the press and media; especially since he married Gwyneth Paltrow.
There is a fascination (obsession) with famous stars who get married in the US. The press automatically increases coverage of those movie stars/athletes/artists who tie the knot. Before Chris Martin married Gwynie, his name was unknown to mainstream America (and this was even when AROBTTH came out). When they got married is when he began getting TONS of coverage in the press; which of course led to increased interest in Coldplay, then more Radioplay, etc. So all those teen-girls and housemoms who had no fucking clue of who Coldplay was, now reads about this nice charming chap named CM who just married Gwynie; that move just landed him 33% of his audience.
-Oasis was the EXACT opposite of Coldplay when they were getting big here. Numerous cancelled gigs (and a tour), 'slagging' all other bands off (which is really just Noel's humor going over the collective heads of music buying Americans). This type of image and posturing (which makes bands/artists much more interesting) is not appreciated at all in the American music industry and the public.
Those 3 pretty much sum it up....
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Post by cloudburster on Aug 6, 2008 14:05:30 GMT -5
Most people I know don't know a lot of Oasis' stuff, but when I play it to them they love it
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Post by twinklesthedog on Aug 6, 2008 14:10:34 GMT -5
Well, here's hoping the new album will turn some heads. We just need some US coverage for once! Then maybe...MAYBE...if we're really lucky....they'll play an Oasis song on AM radio!
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Post by mrmonkey on Aug 6, 2008 14:19:13 GMT -5
do you think peoples perception of oasis would change if they knew Noel used to be gay?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 6, 2008 14:27:30 GMT -5
Here's what funny though, ask any casual rock fan who claims he doesn't really like Oasis, what their favorite songs are, they will always list: Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova, Don't Look Back in Anger, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Live Forever....POSSIBLY Cast No Shadow as well
That's 5 or 6 songs the average rock fan likes from Oasis. So that begs the question, how many songs do you need to like to consider to like the band!?
It's down to poor promotion and thus ignorance why Oasis isn't mainstream in the US. The average American doesn't even know about Slide Away for crying out loud! It's shame. Their loss really, though.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 6, 2008 14:30:08 GMT -5
do you think peoples perception of oasis would change if they knew Noel used to be gay? What the fuck? Noel was never gay! And "used to be" ?? What the hell are you on about lol, being gay isn't like religion, you don't convert to being straight, nor do you learn the ways of being gay. You are what you are. Mate, you just did a robohump, hang your head in shame
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Post by mrmonkey on Aug 6, 2008 14:31:56 GMT -5
do you think peoples perception of oasis would change if they knew Noel used to be gay? What the fuck? Noel was never gay! And "used to be" ?? What the hell are you on about lol, being gay isn't like religion, you don't convert to being straight, nor do you learn the ways of being gay. You are what you are. Mate, you just did a robohump, hang your head in shame he had a relationship with the guy in inspiral carpets
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Aug 6, 2008 14:32:15 GMT -5
Here's what funny though, ask any casual rock fan who claims he doesn't really like Oasis, what their favorite songs are, they will always list: Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova, Don't Look Back in Anger, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Live Forever....POSSIBLY Cast No Shadow as well That's 5 or 6 songs the average rock fan likes from Oasis. So that begs the question, how many songs do you need to like to consider to like the band!? It's down to poor promotion and thus ignorance why Oasis isn't mainstream in the US. The average American doesn't even know about Slide Away for crying out loud! It's shame. Their loss really, though. Yeah, it would be enough songs to like them. But most 'casual fans'/'appreciators don't know they've released anything new sing MG in the mid nineties. They were mainstream then and are not mainstream any more. Most people ask me when I mention them as "thought they broke up?" or, "they're still around??" I'm not sure what you mean about any casual person hearing Stop Crying Your Heart Out,......that song hardly got any radio play, even on the 'alternative' stations.
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Post by lionsden® on Aug 6, 2008 14:34:06 GMT -5
I see the Bell Brothers are alive and well in this thread.
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Post by twinklesthedog on Aug 6, 2008 14:34:11 GMT -5
I would go so far as most ppl here dont even know most of Oasis' songs. Besides Wonderwall, most probably recognize CS and DLBIA...but probably would need a little prompting to connect those songs with Oasis.
It's kinda sad...
Yeah, alot of it is due to poor (really..really poor) label and marketing support. But Oasis isn't immune to these failings either. I honestly think if they had did just a smidge of marketing...not abandoned their tour or had AS MANY on-stage squabbles...they would have been in a better position. They also didn't do themselves any favors by releasing SOTSOG and HC...2 less than stellar outtings. Whatever hope some critics might have been holding out for them after BHN...those two albums probably sealed the deals for them. Let's hope DBTT and DOYS will give them a clean slate!
Wow..I just re-read some of this....my friccin grammar is pathetic. Just too friccin lazy to fix em!
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Post by ugottahavefun on Aug 6, 2008 14:37:50 GMT -5
What the fuck? Noel was never gay! And "used to be" ?? What the hell are you on about lol, being gay isn't like religion, you don't convert to being straight, nor do you learn the ways of being gay. You are what you are. Mate, you just did a robohump, hang your head in shame he had a relationship with the guy in inspiral carpets Is that definitely true?
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