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Post by thegodfather on Jul 31, 2008 16:07:46 GMT -5
Lately (and I know people do it a lot, but especially lately), there has been a lot of bickering as to what Oasis' worst album is, and many people feel it is SOTSOG. Personally, I have always felt that by far, Heathen Chemistry was Oasis' worst album. Not even close, as far as I'm concerned. In fact, I really don't see the logic as to why certain people think there is some sort of argument to it. One voice that I've heard is that some people felt SOTSOG was such a seismic shift in Oasis' sound and many 94/95 purists weren't comfortable with the overhaul, and that in a traditional song sense, HC felt more like a return to form. I personally feel that's bullshit; HC had ONE standout track on the entire album (SCYHO), which would have been the 4th-6th best track on WTSMG. On the other hand (and I know certain people don't understand this opinion either), SOTSOG has been my favorite album at times. I think the tragedy w/ SOTSOG is that if you peel off PYMWYMI and LJ (which was only included because it was Liam's first serious attempt at songwriting while in NG-led Oasis), and maybe do a little more production work on Roll It Over, then I think the album is easily the best since DM and WTSMG, as well as stacking up quality-wise with both of them. SOTSOG has six GREAT tracks (FITB, GLIO, WFL, GP!, WDIAGW and SMC), a sleeper closing track (RIO), two good-to-mediocre songs that happen to be decent rocker tunes (ICSAL, PYMWYMI)...and one piece of dogshit that should have been a B-side (LJ). In the place of two tracks, Noel could have inserted anywhere from Let's All Make Believe, Little By Little or ...Cigarrettes in Hell. (although SMC and WDIAGW filled up the Noel ballad quota on SOTSOG) So yeah, SOTSOG had a couple anchors weighing down an otherwise great album (and I consider GP!, WDIAGW and SMC to be the best three-song stretch in their studio album career), but didn't the others? People seem to just canonize DM and WTSMG in a way that leaves them immune from scrutiny, but if some of the songs on either of those albums (DM: Bring It On Down, Married..., Digsy's Dinner, Up In The Sky; WTSMG: Hey Now, Cast No Shadow) had put been on one of the later albums, I think we'd be scrutinizing those selections. (Which is another reason why I believe DBTT is Oasis' best all-around, most versatile album, because I don't think a song on there didn't fit) Heathen Chemistry, on the other hand, didn't have what most other Oasis albums have: some great, landmark song selections to balance out the bad ones. PAITM, BOADC and BM are all listen-able tunes, but they also are the most truly Beatles-esque rip-offs I've heard Oasis do. Basically HC is just a nondescript collection of mediocre-to-good (at best) songs that leaves you still thirsty for a couple great songs at the end. LBL was supposed to be this album's landmark track, but if it was so good, Noel wouldn't have held it over from SOTSOG sessions. I also think Songbird is incredibly overrated, weak lyrically, and just way too basic a song (a romantic effort in which Liam drastically improved with Love Like a Bomb). Ironically, HC had an even greater collection of B-sides that should have been on the album (ID, SIOL) instead of shit like AQP and PAITM. I guess in the end, the point of my rant is, sure SOTSOG had a couple stinker songs on it, but what Oasis albums have really been immune to that? It had some great, great songs on it that set the early tone for the kind of band Oasis has become this decade. Personal Ranking of LPs:1A DM 1B DBTT 1C (WTS)MG 4 SOTSOG 5 BHN 6 HC And I'm pretty sure DOYS will fall somewhere in the middle  |
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Post by digoutyoursoul123 on Jul 31, 2008 16:14:46 GMT -5
agree, but cast no shadow, wtsmg, hey now, bring it on down, married with children and up in the sky are amazing
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Jul 31, 2008 16:18:42 GMT -5
Its ur opinion.
In my eyes they are both equally ok at best.
Wdiagw and gas panic are top tunes and roll it over starts good but fades quickly.
Go let it out is terrible.
And the rest is shit.
Heathen has the hindu times,she is love,songbird,probably all in the mind.
I would give the edge 2 HC...but not by much.
Its a bit better.
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Post by thegodfather on Jul 31, 2008 16:20:19 GMT -5
agree, but cast no shadow, wtsmg, hey now, bring it on down, married with children and up in the sky are amazing I didn't include the song Morning Glory in the ones I thought were marginal, but seriously: how can you call those songs amazing? I was happy they brought BIOD back for the last tour, but I would have been just as happy if they did that with Headshrinker or My Big Mouth. (And the only thing amazing about Cast No Shadow is the remix on the Goal! soundtrack) |
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Post by mrmonkey on Jul 31, 2008 16:24:56 GMT -5
im more likely to put sotsog on over hc but there both weak albums which suffer heavily in the production which is why they turned to a proper producer for dbtt
even andy says that in the dbtt docu, they had the songs but but knew they needed a producer and that geek who did sotsog should be shot only fitb, glio and gp are any good which is why they pop up in setlists
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Jul 31, 2008 16:28:44 GMT -5
2 me the only 2 good tunes on sotsog is gas panic an wdiagw
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Post by thegodfather on Jul 31, 2008 16:29:22 GMT -5
Its ur opinion. In my eyes they are both equally ok at best. Wdiagw and gas panic are top tunes and roll it over starts good but fades quickly. Go let it out is terrible. And the rest is shit. Heathen has the hindu times,she is love,songbird,probably all in the mind. I would give the edge 2 HC...but not by much. Its a bit better. See, to quote Noel in regards to DM vs. WTS, "I just don't understand that at all." I guess it's just how you feel upon first listening to the tunes, but how someone can say GLIO or SMC are shit and call The Hindu Times a noteworthy song is beyond me (not that THT is bad, but I can think of dozens of other similar Oasis songs/rockers that made it seem bland by the time it came out). -Agree on RIO -I don't dislike SIO like many other Oasis fans seem to detest it, but there isn't much to the track. I prefer it to Songbird, but that doesn't say much about either song to begin with. -PAITM and BOADC sound so Beatles-esque that it was hard to listen to either at first for me. BOADC has slightly grown on me, but in general, PAITM/BOADC/BM all seem long a long, drawn-out, kinda boring jam attempt similar to what they did at the end of BHN with AATW and IGBM |
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Jul 31, 2008 16:31:57 GMT -5
Go let it out is horrific.
By far their worst first single next 2 lyla which is terrible.
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Post by start at the end on Jul 31, 2008 16:34:02 GMT -5
It's always sexy to romanticize SOTSOG rather than take it for what it is: an unbelievably average album and undoubtedly the weakest in the Oasis canon.
PYMWYMI, ICSAL, LJ, RIO, SMC are inescapable sonic quciksand that 2 great and 3 average songs can't hope to save. 6.5/10
HC is hardly overly convincing either, but THT, HIABP, SCYHO, SB, LBL, SIL, and the balance certainly stack up a helluva lot more robust than any 6 tunes from SOTSOG. 7.5/10
Remove bias, ask 100 rock n roll fans who've never heard either LP what they prefer and I guarantee you at least 75 will return with a HC verdict.
don't delude yourself.
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Jul 31, 2008 16:38:10 GMT -5
The hindu times is ok.
I wasn't prasing it.
But realistically my friends both albums are their worst efforts so far.
I still give the edge to HC as better but only by a vagina hair.
Pardon me.
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Jul 31, 2008 16:39:15 GMT -5
The hindu times is ok.
I wasn't prasing it.
But realistically my friends both albums are their worst efforts so far.
I still give the edge to HC as better but only by a vagina hair.
Pardon me.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Jul 31, 2008 16:41:32 GMT -5
I agree that SOTSOG is better than HC, but Gas Panic, WDIAGW, SMC is not the best three song stretch on any Oasis album. Not close. There's Roll With It, Wonderwall, DLBIA.
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Post by alliwantisthetruth on Jul 31, 2008 16:42:23 GMT -5
Be here now is the best ... the most underrated album ever ......
But from SOTSOG when I heard Sunday Morning Call live on Radio 1 i thought that it was amazing...the over the top choir and the big build up to a pathetic solo on the album ruin it complete but live when you can't hear the choir and the solo sounds 'meatier' it is one of Noels best check out this....
also i can see a liar is brilliant live too
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Post by helmet959 on Jul 31, 2008 16:47:38 GMT -5
there are more good to great songs on SOTSOG than on HC, in my opinion
Sotsog:
GLIO
WFL
GP!
WDIAGW
RIO
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HC:
SCYHO
LBL
BOADC
and sometimes HIABP when I want to rock out ( yes can me for it!)
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Post by toiletface on Jul 31, 2008 17:01:25 GMT -5
In my opinion, FITB, GLIO, Gas Panic!, Where Did It All Go Wrong and Roll It Over would all quite comfortably be the best songs if they were on HC...
Althought the lows on HC arent anywhere nears as bad as those of SOTSOG, its just a constant plodding bore fest of an album... SOTSOG has some really great Oasis tracks whereas HC has zero... Songbird is a really weak song IMO, it gets overrated as Liam wrote it... Had Noel wrote Songbird it would get the slating that it richly deserves..
The Hindu Times has potential from the demo and the live versions but they totally bottled it in the studio and came up with a smooth, clean undercooked radio friendly version...
SOTSOG has some of Noel's best and most personal lyrics (as well as some of his worst I'll admit) and the highs are just so much more than those of HC, thats why its a much better album
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Post by Colt on Jul 31, 2008 17:02:50 GMT -5
Go let it out is terrible.  Go Let it Out is one of their best songs. |
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Post by dearprudence on Jul 31, 2008 17:03:31 GMT -5
i absolutely love the hindu times mate
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 31, 2008 17:07:01 GMT -5
HC is sooooo bland...
But SOTSOG has no 'hits'.
For me, their both great albums, weakest of oasis' cannon, but still prefer them over any album ever- with the exception of a couple by the beatles, and a few others
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Post by custodian on Jul 31, 2008 17:10:32 GMT -5
In my opinion, SOTSOG has two top-notch Oasis tracks (FITB, GLIO) one really good song (Gas Panic) and the rest ranges from average to terrible.
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Post by tadas on Jul 31, 2008 17:13:53 GMT -5
i love put yer money where ur mouth. why does everyone hate it?
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Post by toiletface on Jul 31, 2008 17:50:30 GMT -5
Because it the epitomy of laziness, its not even good enough to be a Bside IMO
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 31, 2008 17:52:00 GMT -5
I love it, it's a great song- just kind of lazy lyrics  |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 31, 2008 17:52:30 GMT -5
Because it the epitomy of laziness, its not even good enough to be a Bside IMO Well said |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 31, 2008 18:13:41 GMT -5
im more likely to put sotsog on over hc but there both weak albums which suffer heavily in the production which is why they turned to a proper producer for dbtt even andy says that in the dbtt docu, they had the songs but but knew they needed a producer and that geek who did sotsog should be shot only fitb, glio and gp are any good which is why they pop up in setlists Maybe Noel should have written some decent songs. The producer could only work with what he was given FFS! How can you say he should be 'shot'?!? Jesus what the fuck is wrong with you. |
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Post by caats19 on Jul 31, 2008 19:58:32 GMT -5
i'd probably take SOTSG over HC. it's still got some great songs. HC is mostly uninspired crap. Liam got a good song.
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