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Post by digoutyoursoul123 on Jul 15, 2008 16:51:40 GMT -5
we all know how great a songwriter the chief is, but just listening to take me, which i believe is a liam penned track, i may be wrong but i hope not or it will cause this thread to mean fuck all, but listening to that, how good off a song writer do you think liam would have being if he'd kept it up and not let noel write everthing in the glory years? cause i am a huge fan off BOADC, and more recently GGTIA. your thoughts?
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Post by keystone1316 on Jul 15, 2008 18:09:02 GMT -5
I was actually gonna post a similar thread yesterday... The best move Noel has made in the history of the band was letting other members' songs get on the albums. He obviously realized the quality of his songs had slipped a bit, and gave the other members of the band a chance. Analysis of Liam's tracks: Little James- Not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. For a first song on an album, he could have done so much worse. LJ has one of the best melodies on the album, and considering that the lyrics are written about a child, there's good reason for them to be "childish". Plus, the lyrics aren't nearly as bad as some of the shit lyrics Noel occasionally puts out. Songbird- One of the few songs that sounds "inspired" on HC. I think most would agree it's one of the better tracks on the album. BOADC- I'm not a huge fan of it, but other people seem to like it. It at least shows that Liam can write complex songs. Better Man- Lyrics aren't great, but it's a solid rocker. However, it makes for a shitty closing track, which is why I think people don't like it. Love Like a Bomb- Dont know who had more to do with this track, Gem or Liam. Regardless, this track is simply beautiful. It's simple as hell, but it's the closest Oasis has gotten to sounding like the Beatles of the Rubber Soul/Revolver era. One of the best tracks on DBTT. Meaning of Soul- Liam's weakest on the album, but it's pretty rockin'. I still think it kicks the shit out of Mucky Fingers  Guess God Thinks...- Wow. If Noel had written this one, I guarentee everyone would be raving about this track as the best one off the album. Regardless, I think it is the best track. I still don't understand how people can consider TIOBI to be better than this one... Plus the end is fantastic. Pass Me Down the Wine- Not good enough to make the album, but hell, it's better than all the other DBTT bsides, with the exception of Eyeball Tickler. Nothing On Me- I hated it at first. Now I play it more than STC and Record Machine. I wouldn't mind it being on DUYS, I'd like to hear a longer, fleshed out version. The song fucking rocks, and if it hadnt been overshadowed by STC and RM, I think it would be getting more respect. And as for the next album, we may have already heard one of Liam's tracks (as Nothing On Me could possibly be Ain't Got Nothing, although for some reason, I'd bet money that it isnt). Plus Soldier On has gotten rave reviews so far, and I'm pumped about Outta Time. In conclusion, Liam's songwriting has gotten better and better with each album. When people say "Noel should write all the songs like old times" and "Liam, Andy, and Gem should get one song tops per album", that pisses me off. Considering the amount of album songs and Bsides Noel has putten out on the last few albums, I think he'd have trouble coming up with an album of 12 brilliant songs. On the otherhand, Liam's proved himself as a songwriter, Andy Bell gave us 2 fantastic tracks on the last album (KTDA is epic) and the best b-side in Eyeball Tickler, and Gem's songs are underrated as well. With Noel having 7-8 album tracks on DUYS, I'm looking forward to a few quality Liam/Andy/Gem b-sides. |
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 15, 2008 18:15:42 GMT -5
keystone, congrationlations on maybe the longest first post ever  ! I definitely agree that others should write songs- for example, andys two songs on the last one were amazing. But i don't exactly like any of gems much, and sb, boadc, and maybe llab are the only ones from liam that deserve an album spot. I personally think noel and andys b-sides are better than all of gem and liam's songs w/ the possible exception of BOADC |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 15, 2008 18:25:13 GMT -5
The best move Noel has made in the history of the band was letting other members' songs get on the albums. Spot on. I agree wholeheartedly with almost everything in that post; the exception being your analysis of Born On A Different Cloud and Better Man. Mega tunes, those. Oh, and Gem wrote Eyeball Tickler. No need to thank me. ;D |
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Post by dearprudence on Jul 15, 2008 19:53:59 GMT -5
I think Liam has two types of songs..... amazing tunes and b-sides, I think having 3 Liam songs on every album is to much, cause from his 3, 1 is a filler, (Better Man for HC and MOS for DBTT), ill put Shout it out loud, any day instead of better man also I wanna live in a dream in my record machine for MOS, even eyeball tickler)
I think Noel Gallagher is the best songwriter in Oasis,although i do consider that letting the others contribute songs is a very good idea...... i think a perfect album for me will be 7 Noel 2 Liam 1 Gem 1 Andy....
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 15, 2008 19:56:43 GMT -5
The perfect album would be a dozen great songs, regardless of who's written them. I'd happily leave Noel off it entirely if his tunes weren't up to scratch by comparison to the others.
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Post by holdonecho on Jul 15, 2008 22:19:14 GMT -5
I kind of disagree with most of the opinions on this thread.
I think that Noel has sort of tarnished the bands legacy by allowing Liam to have so many songs on the last few albums. It sort of waters down the product in a John-Yoko, double fantasy, sort of way.
Liam just hasn't proven to be any sort of song writer of note. He may be prolific but even his best works has fallen short of the standard that Noel set (and for the most part still maintains)
I know I will get some argument but I think that HC would have been much better if it included Idlers Dream and Shout It Out Loud instead of Better Man and BOADC.
Additionally, DBTT would have been better if STC and RM had replaced MOS and LLAB.
I am of the opinion that the more Noel tunes the better.
Song writing is not a difficult thing to do. Anyone with a guitar, three chords, a pen and a record collection can compose a ditty in minutes.
Writing material that will stand the test of time is much more difficult. It takes immense talent.
The chief has that gift.
I'm not sure Liam has figured out the third chord yet (his one half decent tune, Songbird, didn't even use it) and I am pretty sure Gem holds the pen while Liam drunkenly dictates the lyrics.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Jul 15, 2008 22:47:15 GMT -5
I kind of disagree with most of the opinions on this thread. I think that Noel has sort of tarnished the bands legacy by allowing Liam to have so many songs on the last few albums. It sort of waters down the product in a John-Yoko, double fantasy, sort of way. Liam just hasn't proven to be any sort of song writer of note. He may be prolific but even his best works has fallen short of the standard that Noel set (and for the most part still maintains) I know I will get some argument but I think that HC would have been much better if it included Idlers Dream and Shout It Out Loud instead of Better Man and BOADC. Additionally, DBTT would have been better if STC and RM had replaced MOS and LLAB. I am of the opinion that the more Noel tunes the better. Song writing is not a difficult thing to do. Anyone with a guitar, three chords, a pen and a record collection can compose a ditty in minutes. Writing material that will stand the test of time is much more difficult. It takes immense talent. The chief has that gift. I'm not sure Liam has figured out the third chord yet (his one half decent tune, Songbird, didn't even use it) and I am pretty sure Gem holds the pen while Liam drunkenly dictates the lyrics. agreed, I could never picture Liam writing Supersonic, or Champagne Supernova, or Cigarettes and Alcohol, or the Masterplan, or Live Forever...and so on. You get the picture. |
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Post by anthmcc on Jul 15, 2008 23:02:24 GMT -5
I was actually gonna post a similar thread yesterday... The best move Noel has made in the history of the band was letting other members' songs get on the albums. He obviously realized the quality of his songs had slipped a bit, and gave the other members of the band a chance. Analysis of Liam's tracks: Little James- Not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. For a first song on an album, he could have done so much worse. LJ has one of the best melodies on the album, and considering that the lyrics are written about a child, there's good reason for them to be "childish". Plus, the lyrics aren't nearly as bad as some of the shit lyrics Noel occasionally puts out. Songbird- One of the few songs that sounds "inspired" on HC. I think most would agree it's one of the better tracks on the album. BOADC- I'm not a huge fan of it, but other people seem to like it. It at least shows that Liam can write complex songs. Better Man- Lyrics aren't great, but it's a solid rocker. However, it makes for a shitty closing track, which is why I think people don't like it. Love Like a Bomb- Dont know who had more to do with this track, Gem or Liam. Regardless, this track is simply beautiful. It's simple as hell, but it's the closest Oasis has gotten to sounding like the Beatles of the Rubber Soul/Revolver era. One of the best tracks on DBTT. Meaning of Soul- Liam's weakest on the album, but it's pretty rockin'. I still think it kicks the shit out of Mucky Fingers Guess God Thinks...- Wow. If Noel had written this one, I guarentee everyone would be raving about this track as the best one off the album. Regardless, I think it is the best track. I still don't understand how people can consider TIOBI to be better than this one... Plus the end is fantastic. Pass Me Down the Wine- Not good enough to make the album, but hell, it's better than all the other DBTT bsides, with the exception of Eyeball Tickler. Nothing On Me- I hated it at first. Now I play it more than STC and Record Machine. I wouldn't mind it being on DUYS, I'd like to hear a longer, fleshed out version. The song fucking rocks, and if it hadnt been overshadowed by STC and RM, I think it would be getting more respect. And as for the next album, we may have already heard one of Liam's tracks (as Nothing On Me could possibly be Ain't Got Nothing, although for some reason, I'd bet money that it isnt). Plus Soldier On has gotten rave reviews so far, and I'm pumped about Outta Time. In conclusion, Liam's songwriting has gotten better and better with each album. When people say "Noel should write all the songs like old times" and "Liam, Andy, and Gem should get one song tops per album", that pisses me off. Considering the amount of album songs and Bsides Noel has putten out on the last few albums, I think he'd have trouble coming up with an album of 12 brilliant songs. On the otherhand, Liam's proved himself as a songwriter, Andy Bell gave us 2 fantastic tracks on the last album (KTDA is epic) and the best b-side in Eyeball Tickler, and Gem's songs are underrated as well. With Noel having 7-8 album tracks on DUYS, I'm looking forward to a few quality Liam/Andy/Gem b-sides. Agree or disagree, that's a pretty impressive first post compared to the usual BS people throw out there in the beginning. I don't really feel the quality of Noel's songs has dipped, more like he's not as prolific. He writes quality songs, but he doesn't have the output he used to in terms of volume. But he's had the balls to let others bring it to the table and prove what they can do. Four songwriters in the band, I think post SOTSOG Oasis is much more of a unit than anything prior to that. |
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Post by adamhannah on Jul 16, 2008 3:24:37 GMT -5
I was actually gonna post a similar thread yesterday... The best move Noel has made in the history of the band was letting other members' songs get on the albums. He obviously realized the quality of his songs had slipped a bit, and gave the other members of the band a chance. Analysis of Liam's tracks: Little James- Not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. For a first song on an album, he could have done so much worse. LJ has one of the best melodies on the album, and considering that the lyrics are written about a child, there's good reason for them to be "childish". Plus, the lyrics aren't nearly as bad as some of the shit lyrics Noel occasionally puts out. Songbird- One of the few songs that sounds "inspired" on HC. I think most would agree it's one of the better tracks on the album. BOADC- I'm not a huge fan of it, but other people seem to like it. It at least shows that Liam can write complex songs. Better Man- Lyrics aren't great, but it's a solid rocker. However, it makes for a shitty closing track, which is why I think people don't like it. Love Like a Bomb- Dont know who had more to do with this track, Gem or Liam. Regardless, this track is simply beautiful. It's simple as hell, but it's the closest Oasis has gotten to sounding like the Beatles of the Rubber Soul/Revolver era. One of the best tracks on DBTT. Meaning of Soul- Liam's weakest on the album, but it's pretty rockin'. I still think it kicks the shit out of Mucky Fingers Guess God Thinks...- Wow. If Noel had written this one, I guarentee everyone would be raving about this track as the best one off the album. Regardless, I think it is the best track. I still don't understand how people can consider TIOBI to be better than this one... Plus the end is fantastic. Pass Me Down the Wine- Not good enough to make the album, but hell, it's better than all the other DBTT bsides, with the exception of Eyeball Tickler. Nothing On Me- I hated it at first. Now I play it more than STC and Record Machine. I wouldn't mind it being on DUYS, I'd like to hear a longer, fleshed out version. The song fucking rocks, and if it hadnt been overshadowed by STC and RM, I think it would be getting more respect. And as for the next album, we may have already heard one of Liam's tracks (as Nothing On Me could possibly be Ain't Got Nothing, although for some reason, I'd bet money that it isnt). Plus Soldier On has gotten rave reviews so far, and I'm pumped about Outta Time. In conclusion, Liam's songwriting has gotten better and better with each album. When people say "Noel should write all the songs like old times" and "Liam, Andy, and Gem should get one song tops per album", that pisses me off. Considering the amount of album songs and Bsides Noel has putten out on the last few albums, I think he'd have trouble coming up with an album of 12 brilliant songs. On the otherhand, Liam's proved himself as a songwriter, Andy Bell gave us 2 fantastic tracks on the last album (KTDA is epic) and the best b-side in Eyeball Tickler, and Gem's songs are underrated as well. With Noel having 7-8 album tracks on DUYS, I'm looking forward to a few quality Liam/Andy/Gem b-sides. What a debut! |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 16, 2008 3:52:39 GMT -5
I kind of disagree with most of the opinions on this thread. I think that Noel has sort of tarnished the bands legacy by allowing Liam to have so many songs on the last few albums. It sort of waters down the product in a John-Yoko, double fantasy, sort of way. Liam just hasn't proven to be any sort of song writer of note. He may be prolific but even his best works has fallen short of the standard that Noel set (and for the most part still maintains) I know I will get some argument but I think that HC would have been much better if it included Idlers Dream and Shout It Out Loud instead of Better Man and BOADC. Additionally, DBTT would have been better if STC and RM had replaced MOS and LLAB. I am of the opinion that the more Noel tunes the better. Song writing is not a difficult thing to do. Anyone with a guitar, three chords, a pen and a record collection can compose a ditty in minutes. Writing material that will stand the test of time is much more difficult. It takes immense talent. The chief has that gift. I'm not sure Liam has figured out the third chord yet (his one half decent tune, Songbird, didn't even use it) and I am pretty sure Gem holds the pen while Liam drunkenly dictates the lyrics. agreed, I could never picture Liam writing Supersonic, or Champagne Supernova, or Cigarettes and Alcohol, or the Masterplan, or Live Forever...and so on. You get the picture. But Noel's never gonna write songs like that again, this is about progression. Noel cannot write a whole album now and it also means that now, he only puts in the very best that he's written. If the others hadn't of written anything you would have seen a lot more shit from Noel. Noel hasn't tarnished any legacy ffs, by letting the others write he is keeping the band going. It amazes me how people want the band to maintain the status quo, rather than do anything different at all. |
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Post by Jonny on Jul 16, 2008 4:37:07 GMT -5
I thought Little James was a brilliant song with shit lyrics. Like Shakermaker.
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Post by digoutyoursoul123 on Jul 17, 2008 17:48:05 GMT -5
I thought Little James was a brilliant song with shit lyrics. Like Shakermaker. i agree |
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Post by headcase on Jul 17, 2008 21:08:21 GMT -5
liam mostly writes love songs...which isn't a bad thing..but i need more rock n roll tunes
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 17, 2008 21:11:58 GMT -5
I don't know if that's really true Better man, pass me down the wine, boadc, mos, ggtia are not really love songs. SB, llab, and Won't let you down definitely are though It's just that his rock n' roll songs aren't good  (except boadc, thats amazing) |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 18, 2008 5:14:02 GMT -5
I don't know if that's really true Better man, pass me down the wine, boadc, mos, ggtia are not really love songs. SB, llab, and Won't let you down definitely are though It's just that his rock n' roll songs aren't good (except boadc, thats amazing) GGTIA is a love song!!!!! ---- I hold the opinios that it doesnt matter who writes the song as long as its good. LLAB and Song Bird are beautiful tunes from Liam. And BOADC is a great track too. What you naysayers fail to realize is that having everyone contribue to song writing allows the albums to be different. DM-WTS-BHN which all contained Noel songs worked because he was young, poor, inspired, and loaded up on drugs. While Noel is still the better song writer, having others contribute brings a new element to Oasis. Noel has his own writing style, Liam has his, etc. Just as Liam cant write a Live Forever, Noel can't write a Song Bird or a LLAB. The more different styles of songs we have on the album, the better - as long as they flow and are of good quality - and DBTT prooved that the concept of the entire band contributing does indeed work. |
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Post by smn620 on Jul 18, 2008 7:30:06 GMT -5
I stand by the fact that LLAB is the best track on DBTT, followed by KTDA. The only thing wrong with Liam's tracks IMO is the length of them, but really that's not so much his fault - Noel should shove a guitar solo in or something! Like the electric version of Songbird, which was top.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 18, 2008 8:51:22 GMT -5
GGTIA is a love song!!!!! No, it's not. Don't let the opening line fool you. |
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Post by Clint on Jul 18, 2008 9:50:10 GMT -5
I thought Little James was a brilliant song with shit lyrics. Like Shakermaker. shakermakers lyrics aren't shit. it's quirky non-sensical wordplay. it's not suppose to be serious or about anything at all. it's about the GROOVE MY MAN. it's better than the cheesy ass lyrics noel has spit out nowadays |
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Post by Clint on Jul 18, 2008 9:52:28 GMT -5
and take me is an AWESOME song. i love the drums and guitar lyrics and liams voice. top shit
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 18, 2008 10:01:11 GMT -5
GGTIA is a love song!!!!! No, it's not. Don't let the opening line fool you. Are you fucking retarded? Do you want me to be fucking retarded?- 40 year old Virgin In all seriousness, are you? 1.) You could be my lover 2.) You could be my best friend 3.) No one can take us, no one can break us, if we try It might not be a love song about a girl. Could be about loving mankind, or a brother, who the fuck knows. But it's def. a love song..... |
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Post by mostdefomaybe on Jul 18, 2008 14:12:47 GMT -5
an album full of noel songs for me
songbird is liams only good song
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