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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 12, 2008 14:29:57 GMT -5
PS Bon Jovi is NOT relevant 14 years later, not in the US, let alone the world! Yeah, ok, he gets the odd chart hit (but that's not saying much when we're talking about the US charts!). He's cracked America, not the world. Oasis has cracked the world, not America. Which is more popular? hmmm.... No one gives a shit about Bon Jovi (anymore). So your point is invalid further by stretching the truth. WTF are you talking about? There's about to be riots in central park tonight because so many people wanna see their concert and they won't let more than 50,000 or so in. They also sell out stadiums when they go on tour... You have to admires 'the hero that's still unsung's' matter of factness when he's talking complete bullshit ;D |
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Post by Columbus Egg on Jul 12, 2008 14:30:28 GMT -5
* 250,000 people attended the Knebworth gig in 1996. That's special * Over 2 million applied for tickets for that gig. That's special * Oasis are still relevant around the world 14 years later. That's special. * Oasis have had constant and several #1s in the charts. That's special. * Oasis have inspired dozens of new mainstream bands. That's special. * Oasis WERE the 90s. That's special. * Oasis changed the way people talked and dressed (at their height). That's special. Liam thought Spinal Tap were a real band. That's special.  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 12, 2008 14:35:34 GMT -5
Anyway, Mr. Costello is missing the point, again.
Oasis was a movement in the 90s, just as the Beatles were in the 60s.
Ok, I don't know the stats, but I do admit the Beatles were bigger, but that doesn't change the fact that Oasis aren't as special.
And Oasis' songs and albums will be remembered 50 years from now, just as the Beatles are.
DM, for example, is considered the best album of the 90s followed by Nirvana's nevermind....and surely there's a place for WTSMG in the top 5 90s albums too!?
Fact is: Wonderwall, Live Forever, Slide Away, Don't Look Back in Anger, Whatever, etc WILL indeed be remembered 50 years from now, and still played on the radio then. That speaks volumes.
I know I've been bringing up Coldplay a lot, but they help prove my point further. As much as i like their first 2 albums, and I do, I can't see any songs of theirs being played 50 years from now, can you? They hardly get radio time as it is (negating their new album, cos its...erm...new). But I'm willing to wager that "Wonderwall" is played much more often then "The Scientist" (fucking great song) or anything else CP have produced.....
Coldplay are indeed a big band (Disclaimer before you flame me), but stop short of the eliete category that U2, Oasis, etc fall under.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 12, 2008 14:37:47 GMT -5
* 250,000 people attended the Knebworth gig in 1996. That's special * Over 2 million applied for tickets for that gig. That's special * Oasis are still relevant around the world 14 years later. That's special. * Oasis have had constant and several #1s in the charts. That's special. * Oasis have inspired dozens of new mainstream bands. That's special. * Oasis WERE the 90s. That's special. * Oasis changed the way people talked and dressed (at their height). That's special. Liam thought Spinal Tap were a real band. That's special. Karma for you mate |
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Post by mugsy on Jul 12, 2008 14:37:49 GMT -5
Bon Jovi??!!!
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog got it right---"Bon Jovi sounds like Bruce Springsteen--coming out of my ass."
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Post by costello on Jul 12, 2008 14:41:43 GMT -5
DM, for example, is considered the best album of the 90s followed by Nirvana's nevermind....and surely there's a place for WTSMG in the top 5 90s albums too!? It depends of the poll.. One day it's OK COMPUTER, one other it's Nevermind, sometimes it's THE BENDS etc etc.... We can make a poll says anything but the truth... or a " vote ".. hail to the thief Plus why do you always try to make " music " (or art) a sport with a number one, and a number two etc... I agree you can talk in amount of sales, but Art or music, there are no first and no second... Who's the best painter of the nineties? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 12, 2008 14:45:27 GMT -5
DM, for example, is considered the best album of the 90s followed by Nirvana's nevermind....and surely there's a place for WTSMG in the top 5 90s albums too!? It depends of the poll.. One day it's OK COMPUTER, one other it's Nevermind, sometimes it's THE BENDS etc etc.... We can make a poll says anything but the truth... or a " vote ".. hail to the thief Plus why do you always try to make " music " (or art) a sport with a number one, and a number two etc... I agree you can talk in amount of sales, but Art or music, there are no first and no second... Who's the best painter of the nineties? I'm playing devil's advocate now, just so you understand..... Picasso's paintings are better than anything I've ever done (which isn't say much cos I can't draw for my life lol) but both are still art by definition. So would you say that my stick figures aren't worse than any of Picasso's work? |
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 12, 2008 14:59:59 GMT -5
oasis aren't the beatles. they aren't going to be groundbreaking. they can throw in tomorrow never knows or straight outta compton drumbeats, "zeppelin-esque" guitar and backwards trippy stuff with liam describing his latest shopping foray on bond street, but they aren't going to re-create themselves. leave that to madonna and her 50 year old hairy (probably bald if i know her well enough) mollusk. so. are oasis fans going the dreaded route of being like 40 year old bon jovi fans, recreating their big hair with our gallaghery-dos? aerosmith. stones. the eagles. metallica. countless others that have been huge. each new album comes out, 2 typical singles come out to keep the fans happy and to remind the public that they haven't retired. is this oasis? the beatles got all their shit done and dusted within 10 years. oasis are going on 17 years and (i hope not at least) it's getting a bit like the stones. should we resign ourselves to the fact that we are sailing on a comfortably navigated ship to mediocrity? is liam the next steven tyler? God help us all. As much as I love the beatles and oasis, the amount of oasis songs that touch the soul are significantly greater. and though the consistency has lessened due to the bands democracy we've still been presented with Heart of a star, Shout it out loud which stroll no-bother into the upper tier of oasis songs. Dbtt was the first oasis album where we didn't get a WHOLE song that stopped your heart, grabbed you by the balls (ltbl), and took you above all the shit. The Classic oasis years are gone where we got immortal songs The new oasis is about direction and what-not and the production of very good songs. At the end of the day if any of us went to an oasis concert and did not hear anything from 1994-the masterplan era we'd be disappointed. 'lived in a bubble days were never-ending' |
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Post by AbbeyR0ad on Jul 12, 2008 15:36:42 GMT -5
why the fuck is oasis being compared to bon jovi in this thread.
what the...
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 12, 2008 15:52:21 GMT -5
Picasso's paintings are better than anything I've ever done but both are still art by definition. So would you say that my stick figures aren't worse than any of Picasso's work? There's no arguing logic like that. |
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Post by Bloomfield on Jul 12, 2008 15:55:34 GMT -5
why the fuck is oasis being compared to bon jovi in this thread. what the... My worst nightmares happen on these forums... equally as horrific, there's a Linkin Park comparison happening on another post. I'm all for people having their own opinions but these people should be banned and made to live in shit. |
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Post by MarioV182 on Jul 12, 2008 18:20:58 GMT -5
seriously, and why the fuck even argue FOR bon jovi....incredible
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Post by novascotialad on Jul 12, 2008 19:43:35 GMT -5
why the fuck is oasis being compared to bon jovi in this thread. what the... My worst nightmares happen on these forums... equally as horrific, there's a Linkin Park comparison happening on another post. I'm all for people having their own opinions but these people should be banned and made to live in shit. hahhahahaa |
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Post by adamhannah on Jul 12, 2008 20:23:30 GMT -5
The Beatles will be regarded as important as Shakespeare and Beethoven when all is said and done, if they're not already by some people. What they did- not only for music- but for pop culture is and will continue to be unparalleled. No one will ever touch them. Having said that, I fucking love Oasis. They will always be my band. My reason for picking up a guitar, starting a band and keeping the faith. Hit the nail on the head my friend. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 13, 2008 2:10:56 GMT -5
look, the beatles were something very special, a band like that only comes along once in a lifetime,, maqybe make that two or three lifetimes. i know you won't see another band like that if you live to be 100. i think it is unrealistic to expect any band to come close to matching the level and amount of quality that the fab four brought to the table consistently album after album. but your right, if they had kept going on, who knows? look at how macca's quality dropped off after he broke off from lennon ... with that being said, for noel it has never been about the amount of hit singles an album has, or how many times he can please the mtv machine. he has always basically been, 'here's the album, this is what we've come up with' . unless the first single is 'the shock of the lightning' by oasis ft. LIL WAYNE, then i would venture to guess that sales and chart position will be around the same as dbtt was. three singles i'm guessing out of the lot, but who knows at this point? who cares if the general public thinks they are mediocre? the bottom line is, if you enjoy the music and the band, isn't that all that really matters? finally, someone speaks the truth. k+ |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 13, 2008 2:19:16 GMT -5
PS Bon Jovi is NOT relevant 14 years later, not in the US, let alone the world! Yeah, ok, he gets the odd chart hit (but that's not saying much when we're talking about the US charts!). He's cracked America, not the world. Oasis has cracked the world, not America. Which is more popular? hmmm.... No one gives a shit about Bon Jovi (anymore). So your point is invalid further by stretching the truth. WRONG. try again. they sell out stadiums no matter where they play. hell, they're going to be playing a free show to 50,000 people in central park, nyc. (some of the people who have previously done that have been simon & garfunkel, diana ross, elton john and pavarotti.) they had a number one record and single on the country charts recently too, not to mention rock. one can argue (and well, to be frank with you) that they're more relevant to american music than oasis is. and i fucking hate bon jovi. |
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