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Post by ellogovner on Jul 8, 2008 15:47:22 GMT -5
No I’m scared of boring, poorly written songs that groove...
Youre kidding yourself if you think theyll change the sound that much. He hasnt done it in what 6 albums already.
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Post by Bloomfield on Jul 8, 2008 15:50:43 GMT -5
Friends, Im a long time fan. Been there from the beginning but i have a bad feeling about noels groove comment. for a few reasons: I mean really has he ever written a great riff? . Are you kidding me? Many of Oasis' best songs are punctuated by a classic Noel guitar riff? Have you heard the first two records? This direction that Oasis are referring to is the most exciting thing I've heard in several years from them. They have a vision and want to make a record that's more than just great songs... it's going have VIBE... do you not like the first Stone Roses record, or Columbia or Weeping Willow by The Verve? |
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Post by ellogovner on Jul 8, 2008 15:53:39 GMT -5
Not only have i heard them, but ive bought each one the day they were released.
And sorry but you dont know much about guitar riffs if you think noel is writing really good ones. Hes using old, classic riffs, to accompany his amazing songwriting skills. If you want awesome original riffs see one james page...not noel
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Post by Bloomfield on Jul 8, 2008 16:08:37 GMT -5
I'm not going to go into this beyond this last post but Noel's riffs are underrated. Shakermaker, Supersonic, Morning Glory and a hundred more are terrific. Zeppelin are actually my favourite band and they have taken from past artists as much as Noel has. Have you heard The Incredible String Band or any of the lesser known bands that Jimmy Page owes a debt to? Plus, Noel isn't a noodler like Page so you can't compare them.
This is irrelelevent because it's the songs that are important... if you dig songs like Columbia or Shakermaker I don't see why you'd be bagging on this record which will likely share some similar characteristics to those songs.
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Post by Jonny on Jul 8, 2008 16:24:01 GMT -5
Shakermaker is brilliant!
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Post by custodian on Jul 8, 2008 16:51:45 GMT -5
I'm not going to go into this beyond this last post but Noel's riffs are underrated. Shakermaker, Supersonic, Morning Glory and a hundred more are terrific. Zeppelin are actually my favourite band and they have taken from past artists as much as Noel has. Have you heard The Incredible String Band or any of the lesser known bands that Jimmy Page owes a debt to? Plus, Noel isn't a noodler like Page so you can't compare them. This is irrelelevent because it's the songs that will are important... if you dig songs like Columbia or Shakermaker I don't see why you'd be bagging on this record which will likely share some similar characteristics to those songs. I've often wondered why Noel never expanded on what he did on the first album with Columbia, Shakermaker, (perhaps Supersonic as well) so I agree that if that's what he is doing this time then it's got the potential to be very exciting. Let's not forget what the other band members might be doing in regards to this new style too. |
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 8, 2008 16:57:11 GMT -5
Well if DOYS is anything ANYTHING like THE STONE ROSES well we are going to be in for a treat, however i feel it'll be more like Second Coming (which is also awesome)
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Post by ellogovner on Jul 8, 2008 18:50:01 GMT -5
Its fairly ridiculous to compare noel to jimmy page when it comes to writing guitar riffs. I mean seriously cmon.
And shakermaker? Really? Its an arpeggiated twelve bar blues progression -- whats so great about that? Listen ill be the first to admit noel is the greatest songwriter of my generation, but lets be real. He isnt a riff writer and his riffs are heavily lifted from classic rock songs.
His genius is in his melodic phrasing and his general songwriting ability, not necessarily his riff/music writing.
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Post by adamhannah on Jul 8, 2008 19:57:08 GMT -5
Its fairly ridiculous to compare noel to jimmy page when it comes to writing guitar riffs. I mean seriously cmon. And shakermaker? Really? Its an arpeggiated twelve bar blues progression -- whats so great about that? Listen ill be the first to admit noel is the greatest songwriter of my generation, but lets be real. He isnt a riff writer and his riffs are heavily lifted from classic rock songs. His genius is in his melodic phrasing and his general songwriting ability, not necessarily his riff/music writing. How do you know groove based means he's gonna start blasting out riffs. Columbia is groove based, Shakamaker is groove based. I've been reading a few interviews from 1997 recently, Noel said that he was going to take the band into a DYKWIM direction, that was the start of the new Oasis. However, the reaction to BHN put him off I think, and we got SOTSOG. Maybe that's where he's gonna go now. Oasis is capable of changing their sound, Noel said form the begining he was going to after 3 albums, maybe nows the time. I know you will say he's had 6 albums, but the last 3 have been trying to resurrect what happened on the precious album. DBTT was very good, but i think Noel knows it would be foolish to make a similar album. |
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Post by Rock N' Roll Dad on Jul 8, 2008 20:03:06 GMT -5
i agree that the comments leading into this album are very disheartening, every other album they claimed it was their best and they were decent, this one they are sorta talking down. Quite the opposite I think. The lack of bravado and over-stating is the most telling thing for me about the build up to this album - I think they feel the album will speak for itself. Completely agree - the fact that Noel is playing down this album is what really excites me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 21:23:01 GMT -5
No I’m scared of boring, poorly written songs that groove... Youre kidding yourself if you think theyll change the sound that much. He hasnt done it in what 6 albums already. If that's the case, stop fucking worrying about it. |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jul 8, 2008 22:37:46 GMT -5
I don't think his description of 'groovy' has to do with guitar riffs. Oasis has never been about riffs (and i don't want them to be). I think he's talking about the bass being groovy, judging by the multiple quotes of him saying these songs developed out of basslines. I agree with this. If you look at Noel's most recent works, you can see stronger base lines in songs, sort of leading the song on... I mean, Noel played bass in the new Weller's song, the demo of Shoot Down (called Guns) by Prodigy.... but since it's not the full band, I think we can expect something like what they did in "Within You Without You", I bet that's groovy, and how's the album is going to sound like |
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Post by Jonny on Jul 9, 2008 6:42:38 GMT -5
I'm genuinelly thinking something along the lines of Love Spreads by the Stone Roses. Superb bluesy, raw grooviness. What a camp description. But that's what I reckon it'll be like.
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