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Post by ellogovner on Jul 8, 2008 10:20:40 GMT -5
Friends, Im a long time fan. Been there from the beginning but i have a bad feeling about noels groove comment. for a few reasons: 1. Noel gallagher doesnt write great grooves, he writes great tunes. I mean really has he ever written a great riff? All his riffs are modified versions of classic rock/blues riffs. What he does with them makes them great. It scares me to think he is concentrating on something that isn’t his bag. Im all for some more backbeat and toe tapping from the boys, but i hope we dont get, wow that song grooves, not much of a tune but it grooves. 2. Self editing. I think noel is trying to self analyze too much here. He probably thought well the last few didnt go over too well, what are the songs missing? Right, mate, not enough toe tapping. Kings of leon groove, the strokes groove, thats it more backbeat. Noel needs to stop being so self conscious and just WRITE great tunes. We know he can. He is trying to hit a moving target i feel... I dont know. I liked the way RM was sounding and thought liam could kill the vox on that tune. But STC was a huge dissapointment for me. Those more “songy” tunes and noels new groove-based tunes, i hope we get something in the middle...
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 8, 2008 10:26:21 GMT -5
It's clear to me that Noel's been lacking inspiration, so if writing 'grooves' provides that inspiration, then I'm all for it, because with inspiration comes great songwriting.
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Post by njoasisnyc on Jul 8, 2008 10:26:58 GMT -5
i agree that the comments leading into this album are very disheartening, every other album they claimed it was their best and they were decent, this one they are sorta talking down.
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Post by quellophant on Jul 8, 2008 10:27:41 GMT -5
If it sounded like KOL or the Strokes I'd be happy, I was just worrying it was gonna sound Paul Weller-ish (his new album is really bad). P.S. By rock n' roll do they mean more old sounding stuff-cos of the roll -(stooges, rolling stones, paul weller) or their own rock n' roll (columbia, supersonic, rock n' roll star)?
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Post by blueice on Jul 8, 2008 10:30:43 GMT -5
It's clear to me that Noel's been lacking inspiration, so if writing 'grooves' provides that inspiration, then I'm all for it, because with inspiration comes great songwriting. Indeed, mate. I'm really eager to hear the new record. I was fuckin' sick of the shit chat("Our best since DM"). I'm very happy about the new direction. I think this will be a really great record. With the same consistency and nice flow as DBTT and great rockers.
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Post by ShakeAlongWithMe on Jul 8, 2008 10:33:39 GMT -5
whatever happened to the kitchen sink now that would of been great
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 8, 2008 10:41:59 GMT -5
whatever happened to the kitchen sink It's full of dishes
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Post by stirling on Jul 8, 2008 10:51:07 GMT -5
whatever happened to the kitchen sink now that would of been great How do we know that they haven't thrown the kitchen sink at it?
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Post by joeyfrancis on Jul 8, 2008 10:59:32 GMT -5
I don't think he is doing too much self-editing. He said he wrote 3 songs in a week. I think it's gonna be great.
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Post by jasonbourne on Jul 8, 2008 11:02:34 GMT -5
I read this topic, and was immediately reminded of the Rolling Stone review of Heathen Chemistry. I know, I know. Fuck Rolling Stone. But the guy made a pretty good point:
"As the principal songwriter of Oasis, Noel Gallagher may have gone as far as he can with the pop song. In the past decade he has written epic anthems and earnest love odes and impossibly sticky melodies that were inescapable on the radio. And yet, for all that variety, he's still not above using the old tried-and-true devices, the stuff that worked for Jerry Lee Lewis and the Beatles, to get his point across"
Of course, I'm sure the new album reviews will say something along the lines of, "Why would Noel Gallagher stray from what has made the band so popular."
I for one am encouraged by the new direction. For once Noel isn't babbling about this being the best since... Which they never are, and honestly never will be. I'm not going to say he's nervous, but his comments so far: "no hit singles" "won't sell like coldplay" etc. are not something we're accustomed to.
At least they're trying something new.
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Post by LlAM on Jul 8, 2008 11:08:58 GMT -5
It's clear to me that Noel's been lacking inspiration, so if writing 'grooves' provides that inspiration, then I'm all for it, because with inspiration comes great songwriting. I concur. If he doesn't feel inspired to compose big rock anthems, he won't
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Post by rdwng30 on Jul 8, 2008 11:29:31 GMT -5
While I agree with you, I also take hope that it supposedly is all rockers. Als, think about some of their other tunes. In my opinion, Columbia has a definite groove, so does supersonic.
I had a different idea of what DBTT was from noels description anyway, so who knows
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 8, 2008 11:30:47 GMT -5
I don't think his description of 'groovy' has to do with guitar riffs. Oasis has never been about riffs (and i don't want them to be). I think he's talking about the bass being groovy, judging by the multiple quotes of him saying these songs developed out of basslines.
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 8, 2008 11:41:10 GMT -5
2. Self editing. I think noel is trying to self analyze too much here. He probably thought well the last few didnt go over too well, what are the songs missing? Right, mate, not enough toe tapping. Kings of leon groove, the strokes groove, thats it more backbeat. Noel needs to stop being so self conscious and just WRITE great tunes. We know he can. He is trying to hit a moving target i feel... I'll have to politely disagree with you here as I am thinking exactly the opposite. It appears to me that on past albums Noel has over-analyzed the material, thus prolonging recording sessions and whatnot. Though it has been 3 years since Oasis' last LP release it seems that the actual recording process did not seem to take as long as the previous. Furthermore, Noel recently spoke of the immediacy of his songs on this upcoming album. He said 3 of which were written very quickly and that demos, in general, are the best takes. What seems to be going here is that Oasis- or noel- has placed emphasis on the writing process itself and using this method as the means to discovering the best ideas. On previous recordings Oasis seemed to have utilized a considerable amount of time on particular, pre-established ideas/songs. This would result in different versions of songs, such as Let There Be Love or Songbird. What would happen in this new scenario is that each member is churning out new song after new song until they discover a musical idea, such as a melody or riff, that is strong in-and-of-itself.. At this point they would take the idea and work it into a song. I believe this is why Noel says the album is "groove-based." I do not think you should worry. Based on Noel's comments I would agree that this upcoming album will sound different than their most recent efforts, but this could be a very cool notion. The Rolling Stones released a "groovy" album titled Exile on Main Street which had only 1 top 40 hit, however, many people consider this album to be one of the best albums of all time. This is not to say that Dig Out Your Soul will be one of the best albums ever, but it may indicate that a different direction can potentially lead to a masterwork .
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Post by start at the end on Jul 8, 2008 11:56:11 GMT -5
yep. If the songs are there Oasis will be fine, regardless of the scope of the album. I think Noel authoring 7 is a fantastically positive sign and if Liam's "outta time" turns out as good as the demo I've heard thats big too...his other 2 could prolly go either way. Let Andy and Gem throw in their best tune and I think everyone's in good shape.
Barring utter shit songs (which just won't occur), fan's will love the album for what it is, and crtics will be more apt to embrace it than reject it simply because of the "transition" from "old oasis" that'll they'll go on about for 6 paragraphs- this could be especially applied to dunder-headed American reviews.
Personally, I'm extremely confident (perhaps more than ever), that this record will be truly transcending for them. Honestly, I think all of the down-playing thus far will only pay dividends 2 months down the road.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 8, 2008 11:57:18 GMT -5
whatever happened to the kitchen sink It's full of dishes Don't you mean fishes?
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 8, 2008 12:02:35 GMT -5
It's full of dishes Don't you mean fishes? no cos he's got dirty dishes on the brain
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 8, 2008 12:06:33 GMT -5
No, the sink was full of fishes.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 8, 2008 12:07:07 GMT -5
It's full of dishes Don't you mean fishes? Yes. My bad lol
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Post by vespa on Jul 8, 2008 12:14:20 GMT -5
ive a feeling they will have thrown everything into this record,just cos he said grooves doesnt mean no orchestras an other stuff,i think he means there pretty basic songs going along a same pattern.no singalongs really means they arent following the same structure as verse bridge chorus but more just genereal vocals over the top with maybe just a key change for the chorus,eg nothing on you is very similar to this,but the songs hes quoted as sayin they sound are very much like this an if you add some string work i think the effect will be quite brilliant
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Post by joeyfrancis on Jul 8, 2008 12:15:33 GMT -5
You must have just had dirty dishes on the brain.
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Post by kevin613 on Jul 8, 2008 12:21:06 GMT -5
I think 'Dig Out Your Soul' will be their best effort since 'Don't Believe the Truth'.
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Post by dearprudence on Jul 8, 2008 12:53:42 GMT -5
i think is great they are trying new stuff, Noel has writing singalong classic anthems his entire career, i think they know this one is special and thats why they have the mouths shut. They are Beatles maniatics, prior to pepper the Beatles were quiet and the press was saying what are the Beatles doing ........ drying up i suppose,,, and then there you fucking go... Sgt Pepper... i hope everybody is thinking noel Gallagher is drying up....
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Post by Elias on Jul 8, 2008 13:28:40 GMT -5
i agree that the comments leading into this album are very disheartening, every other album they claimed it was their best and they were decent, this one they are sorta talking down. Quite the opposite I think. The lack of bravado and over-stating is the most telling thing for me about the build up to this album - I think they feel the album will speak for itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 14:46:03 GMT -5
Basically, you're scared of change?
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