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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2008 22:36:05 GMT -5
What you're also forgetting is that if you're not an atheist, you're not awesome.  |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 5, 2008 22:41:17 GMT -5
i thought theism is religion itself. Depends. Some might say belief in god/gods is an underlying requirement for a religion, and it'd probably be a valid point. But I think in a discussion of "anti-theism" vs "atheism" vs whatever else, I certainly think one can be anti-religion without being anti-god. i must say that belief in gods is an underlying requirement for religion, as you say, but it can also be argued that the priests, rabbis, popes, dalai lamas and all of those are treated as almost godlike. it can be argued that they are a religion alone. their hands are kissed, sometimes they are bowed down to... it doesn't get much clearer. absolutely. religion is the hierarchy that separates man from god. believing in a divine spirit or being without believing in religion is antitheism. |
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Jul 5, 2008 23:51:41 GMT -5
worst thread ever
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Post by urwand on Jul 6, 2008 2:11:17 GMT -5
i think noel is anti religion. its all in dykwim:
theres the "i met my maker i made him cry...." bit which obviously is saying that todays world is lacking in divine inspiration ("listen up man they dont even know youre born").
then theres also the bit that goes,
"idont really care for what you believe,
open up your fist or you wont receive,
the thoughts and the words of everyman youll need"
which shows he feels religion is divisive and narrow minded.
also i seem to recall an interview in which he said he sat down with bono and let him try and convince him of faith. but it didnt work!
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Post by MarioV182 on Jul 6, 2008 4:47:17 GMT -5
watch at 2:08
it explains everything
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Post by jlzoasis on Jul 6, 2008 10:37:05 GMT -5
I think I would classified Noel as agnostic, he seems not too sure. Some of his songs he as written makes you wonder how could he possible write them without believing in something bigger.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 6, 2008 13:57:29 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, how often would an atheist put the word 'soul' into a song.
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Post by MarioV182 on Jul 6, 2008 16:38:45 GMT -5
"i dont believe in God"
"i dont believe in religion"
"i certainly dont believe in a higher power."
atheist. cmon.
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 6, 2008 18:59:03 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, how often would an atheist put the word 'soul' into a song. often enough, i guess... |
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Post by mercury3164 on Jul 6, 2008 19:12:02 GMT -5
isn't atheism technically a religion itself?? I would say that Noel is just nothing, not affiliated with any defined ideology relaating to religion
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Post by castlecraver on Jul 6, 2008 19:13:07 GMT -5
Speaking from my own experience here, it isn't unthinkable that Noel's thoughts on religion/atheism have evolved over time. Its a tough thing to approach intellectually, especially considering our respective Catholic upbringings.
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Post by start at the end on Jul 7, 2008 7:34:56 GMT -5
Not to be the dick here, but I own a $12,000 sound system and a pair of $600 Sennsheiser HD 650's headphones, which will pretty much reveal every sonic nuance imagineable.
That said, even though I agree with most and think "paperback" sounds more appropriate and of course "fits better" with "union jack", Noel is undoubtedly, unquestionably and undeniably saying:
PAPERBACK (ha!!! tricked ya) on the LP version of Mucky Fingers.
Absolutely certain.
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 7, 2008 9:07:32 GMT -5
Not to be the dick here, but I own a $12,000 sound system and a pair of $600 Sennsheiser HD 650's headphones, which will pretty much reveal every sonic nuance imagineable. That said, even though I agree with most and think "paperback" sounds more appropriate and of course "fits better" with "union jack", Noel is undoubtedly, unquestionably and undeniably saying: PAPERBACK (ha!!! tricked ya) on the LP version of Mucky Fingers. Absolutely certain. I hope that's not the price you paid for those headphones. My mate picked up a pair of those for around $420.00 at some shop uptown. You ought to check out the Sony MDR-V900HD's. I own a pair of these and when compared to the Sennheiser's I found them to be sonically superior. Also, they are half the price! Cheers. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 7, 2008 10:00:27 GMT -5
I have Sienhieser's HD 555....got them for $180-$200 for my birthday last October. Love those fuckers.
Need another set for my birthday this year though - my current pair is "open ear" so it leaks so much sound. Since I'm sharing an apartment with 3 other guys, that's not gonna work and I'll need the "closed ear" set where sound doesn't leak. I want it to be wireless too. But yeah, great quality headphones they make
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Post by start at the end on Jul 7, 2008 12:52:43 GMT -5
Not to be the dick here, but I own a $12,000 sound system and a pair of $600 Sennsheiser HD 650's headphones, which will pretty much reveal every sonic nuance imagineable. That said, even though I agree with most and think "paperback" sounds more appropriate and of course "fits better" with "union jack", Noel is undoubtedly, unquestionably and undeniably saying: PAPERBACK (ha!!! tricked ya) on the LP version of Mucky Fingers. Absolutely certain. I hope that's not the price you paid for those headphones. My mate picked up a pair of those for around $420.00 at some shop uptown. You ought to check out the Sony MDR-V900HD's. I own a pair of these and when compared to the Sennheiser's I found them to be sonically superior. Also, they are half the price! Cheers. I paid about $450. |
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Post by Smige on Jul 7, 2008 13:06:41 GMT -5
I like how this thread turned out...
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 7, 2008 13:28:19 GMT -5
I like how this thread turned out... Yeah, usually by the time you get to the 3rd page on any thread it becomes "no holds barred" as anything goes. |
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Post by oasisbhrnw on Jul 7, 2008 16:02:21 GMT -5
Someone probably already posted this, but Noel confirms on his most recent appearance on Russel Brand that it is in fact "paperback." I'm assuming it was someone from this forum who sent in the question.
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Post by drummert5 on Jul 7, 2008 20:28:33 GMT -5
I don't mean to take away whatever you've gotten from Noel's lyrics, but I wouldn't read too much of his spirituality into them. It's perfectly possible for a songwriter to write inspired-sounding stuff that didn't really mean anything to them other than that it sounded cool at the time. Noel's never really struck me as the type to agonize over making sure every line is worded so as to get his message across.
That said, I would imagine (tragically) that Noel's spirituality is like that of most Britons, it's not so much an active atheism as that it just never comes to mind.
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Post by Champagne Superduper on Jul 9, 2008 8:20:13 GMT -5
just a quick note Re: the 'You Found Your God in a Paperback' line i think i remeber Noel saying somewhere that was to do with the way people (americans in particular) idolise celebrities in magazines and shit like that
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Post by Columbus Egg on Jul 9, 2008 16:46:41 GMT -5
One of the new songs is called Waiting For The Rapture! He's a Christian!! j/k  |
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Post by henrod89 on Jul 9, 2008 17:47:13 GMT -5
I don't mean to take away whatever you've gotten from Noel's lyrics, but I wouldn't read too much of his spirituality into them. It's perfectly possible for a songwriter to write inspired-sounding stuff that didn't really mean anything to them other than that it sounded cool at the time. Noel's never really struck me as the type to agonize over making sure every line is worded so as to get his message across. That said, I would imagine (tragically) that Noel's spirituality is like that of most Britons, it's not so much an active atheism as that it just never comes to mind. T That's pretty much what I said earlier in this thread and I got bashed for it. I totally agree. Noel doesn't strike me as someone who loses sleep over meaning exactly what he writes. Sometimes songwriters just write what sounds good and catchy. I'm not saying you can't take anything from what Noel writes about. I'm just saying that it's not the brightest idea to hold on to every lyric he writes, especially those from the early days. |
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Post by AbbeyR0ad on Jul 17, 2008 14:17:26 GMT -5
just to clear this up, Noel was on Russell Brand's show on 7 July and Russell read an email to Noel... it seems like someone from this thread would have written it! something about how his lyrics seem somewhat atheistic views and sometimes not, and he was asked about the paper bag/back thing.
Noel said it definitely is "back" and that he is an atheist.
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Post by Jonny on Jul 17, 2008 15:42:11 GMT -5
Is Noel not a Catholic? He wears a cross too in some of the earlier pictures of him.
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Post by AbbeyR0ad on Jul 17, 2008 15:46:49 GMT -5
Is Noel not a Catholic? He wears a cross too in some of the earlier pictures of him. well I think he was raised one but is now apparently an atheist. I used to wear a cross too, kind of just because it looked nice... and I'm an atheist/agnostic. *hides* |
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