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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 29, 2008 11:35:38 GMT -5
Of course we don't know when their final album will be, but we do know that they're most likely past their mid-point of their career - I can't see them going for another 14 years! lol
To me, it makes sense for them to go out with a bang. Of course every album should be filled with equal quality of immense proportions if possible, but we know that's too ideal for any band.
I'm still holding out that STC and/or RM will make the album, but after Noel's recent comments about the album being groove based, it seems very unlikely now.
However, we all know how highly Noel holds STC. And we all know how quality the demo version of RM is and the potential that has for a final version.
So one has got to believe that both those 2 songs WILL be officially released on a studio album eventually. And with time running out - 3 albums or so left, one has also got to wonder is Noel saving these 2 songs for their final album? And how many other quality songs Noel has waiting too.....
What do you reckon - do you think Noel is already thinking about their final album and saving these special special tunes for it?
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Post by blueice on Jun 29, 2008 11:39:19 GMT -5
It's REALLY plausible. I hope we'll get, at least, STC as B-side of a forthcoming single of the new LP. It'd be like a cherry in the cake! A FUCKIN' great tune as B-side.
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Post by 32shutout on Jun 29, 2008 11:44:57 GMT -5
I don't know.... i cant see Noel thinking that far ahead to be honest
STC is perfect for me, i don't really want to see it fancy, i love the simpleness to it- i would, however, love to hear a really fancy, 'full' version of RM
I just don't see these songs making an album anymore, TBH. If they don't make this record, their next one won't come out till 2011 or 2012, and by then those songs would be ten years old!
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Post by mercury3164 on Jun 29, 2008 12:18:12 GMT -5
i really like these songs the way they are. i already have these 2 songs, i don't want them redone, i'd much rather have 2 NEW songs i've never heard that's more music to me and i want that much more than redo's
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Post by custodian on Jun 29, 2008 12:21:47 GMT -5
I think it is plausible. You have a ton of songs that Noel and others have praised that we have never heard, so perhaps he does have an eye on going out with as good an album as possible one day. On the other hand, some of these songs could still show up on the new album, so it's hard to say.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jun 29, 2008 12:36:36 GMT -5
I really doubt that noel thinks like that. For me is pretty simple actually, Noel wrote those two great songs (STC and RM), but he felt like he couldn't get it right, so he left off cos' he already had really good material (DBTT)... now he felt he wanted to change things. A groovy album, less 'songy' as he said himself. Which means, there's no space for STC and RM there. I don't believe there's any masterplan there and we may don't see these songs for quite a while, cos' three years from now Noel may write more six or sevens songs that will fit better in the new album...
We can't forget what happened to LTBL... the demo was there since the recording sessions for SOTSOG... and Noel said that he only recorded cos' Dave Sardy convinced him to rewrite the lyrics, claiming the song had potential... meaning that Noel probably felt like never releasing the song....
I just can't believe that they are holding songs for the final album... that wouldn't make sense... why would they think that STC or RM is better than TIOBI? I mean, they would save the good stuff for the future and release the average as an album?? that doesn't sound right, and definetly doesn't sound like Oasis. They do their best and release it. that's it.
Maybe we'll see STC and RM as b-sides. Maybe they be in DOYS. Maybe Dave Sardy will convinve Noel to put in the next album. Or maybe they'll put in a best of after the band split, who knows...
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Jun 29, 2008 13:38:50 GMT -5
Well during the interviews for Stop The Clocks came out, Noel did openly say that he didn't think STC was the greatest song he'd written any more.
""Every time I write a new song I say it’s the best ever! But it’s not the best thing I’ve ever written. There are about ten different versions and I can’t decide on which one. It’s a good song, the lyrics are great."
Not exactly the raving about it we heard in 2002.
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Post by Moorish on Jun 29, 2008 15:17:10 GMT -5
Utter bollocks. 2 or 3 albums left? Time running out? People were saying time was running out in 1997!
If RM and STC aren't on the album, get over it. They may well be used on B-sides or come out on the long-rumoured "anthology", if that ever comes to pass.
I don't think Noel would be arsed to "save" songs for some magical final album send-off.
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Post by LlAM on Jun 29, 2008 15:24:51 GMT -5
STC and RM weren't on DBTT and won't be on DOYS, cos face it, they aren't good enough.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 29, 2008 16:39:39 GMT -5
STC and RM weren't on DBTT and won't be on DOYS, cos face it, they aren't good enough. Hang your head in shame! STC was ALMOST on DBTT, it was in the original tracklisting. Noel took it off at the last second because he thought it didn't fit well with the album and it broke up the flow - NOT that it wasn't good enough. And will a few little tweaks on both songs, they would be monumental, easily rivaling their best stuff of the mid 1990s - not good enough? You're having a laugh. These 2 songs, especially RM, are too good to be b-sides. I can't see Noel making the same mistake again, like he did with The Masterplan and Acquicse. Time will tell though. |
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Post by mercury3164 on Jun 29, 2008 17:42:48 GMT -5
noel said stc wasn't on DBTT because it overshadowed everything else. He said in an interview something along the lines of "the whole album was kind of based around that one song" and that's the reason he took it out of the tracklisting. Now that we find out this record is going to be more along the lines of DM or SOTSOG (more rockers, less epics and ballads), it looks like there are 3 possibilities - 1. We have the only versions of these tunes that we'll ever get our hands on 2. new versions of these tunes are released as b-sides on the singles for DOYS and 3. These tunes are put on the backburner for the 8th album, if Noel thinks they will belong there.
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Post by nyr401994 on Jun 29, 2008 18:43:52 GMT -5
i don't think so.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jun 29, 2008 19:09:20 GMT -5
noel said stc wasn't on DBTT because it overshadowed everything else. He said in an interview something along the lines of "the whole album was kind of based around that one song" and that's the reason he took it out of the tracklisting. Now that we find out this record is going to be more along the lines of DM or SOTSOG (more rockers, less epics and ballads), it looks like there are 3 possibilities - 1. We have the only versions of these tunes that we'll ever get our hands on 2. new versions of these tunes are released as b-sides on the singles for DOYS and 3. These tunes are put on the backburner for the 8th album, if Noel thinks they will belong there. When Noel said that?? cos' believe me, I still think TIOBI and PARt Of The Queue are better than STC... I do love the song though |
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Post by castlecraver on Jun 29, 2008 19:21:24 GMT -5
I don't know why they would. Why would they save songs exclusively for a "final" album that's presumably 3 albums away? Your last album to a certain degree sells your next album, and there's no reason to assume anyone's "final" album is going to sell well if the last one or two leading up to it were duds.
I think you're just going to have to come to terms with some facts here. STC and RM aren't on the new album. There's even a chance neither of them will get properly released on a studio album. For a guy who wrote a song titled "The Masterplan," Noel definitely lets his whims go where the wind blows them as far as album tracks are concerned, and so who's to say what's going to fit where two or three albums down the line?
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Post by mercury3164 on Jun 29, 2008 19:48:37 GMT -5
noel said stc wasn't on DBTT because it overshadowed everything else. He said in an interview something along the lines of "the whole album was kind of based around that one song" and that's the reason he took it out of the tracklisting. Now that we find out this record is going to be more along the lines of DM or SOTSOG (more rockers, less epics and ballads), it looks like there are 3 possibilities - 1. We have the only versions of these tunes that we'll ever get our hands on 2. new versions of these tunes are released as b-sides on the singles for DOYS and 3. These tunes are put on the backburner for the 8th album, if Noel thinks they will belong there. When Noel said that?? In a two-hour chat with fans, hosted by Gary Crowley, Noel was asked about the song and why it wasn't on the record. He replied: "The whole album was kind of based around that song. It was kind of a long "Champagne Supernova"-type thing and it's got fantastic lyrics and a great vibe, but I felt that we never really got the correct version. We've got 6 or 7 versions of it and not one of them really sat in the pocket for me. But it's there and it will now be on the back burner..." |
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Post by caro on Jun 29, 2008 19:59:52 GMT -5
I think that would be pretty lame if he was intending on doing that...
For a start I'm sure that they don't even know ho many more albums they're gonna make...
Then and most importantly that would be a real rip off for us fans, it would mean he keeps all the better songs aside and then what? Are the next albums gonna be filled up with fillers in order to save the "best ones"?
No it just doesn't make sense...
If STC and RM don't make it in this album it's purely because they're not deemed finished or appropriate to this album
My two cents
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Post by skyofred on Jun 29, 2008 20:38:43 GMT -5
Possible as All Around the World was written before definately maybe and it wasn't released until Be Here Now. He held off on that song for about eight years!
Cool clip on youtube of them rehersing All Around the World in 1992
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Post by custodian on Jun 29, 2008 20:55:14 GMT -5
I also think that when Bowman said the leaked songs weren't on the album it could easily mean that they WILL be on the album, just in such different forms, that they might as well be new tracks.
edit: Also, that Noel quote about STC being the song the album was to be based around...my interpretation of that was that he wasn't referring to most of the DBTT songs we are familiar with, but a mostly different set of tunes.
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Post by oasis6 on Jun 29, 2008 21:14:11 GMT -5
Possible as All Around the World was written before definately maybe and it wasn't released until Be Here Now. He held off on that song for about eight years! Cool clip on youtube of them rehersing All Around the World in 1992 That voice... oh were has it gone? |
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Post by mercury3164 on Jun 29, 2008 21:20:40 GMT -5
Also, that Noel quote about STC being the song the album was to be based around...my interpretation of that was that he wasn't referring to most of the DBTT songs we are familiar with, but a mostly different set of tunes. No. The track was suppose to be in between TMOS and POTQ on DBTT according to Noel from interviews in 2005. So, STC was going to be there with the rest of the tracks we are familiar with from DBTT, but it was removed last minute right before the full tracklist was announced. |
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Post by custodian on Jun 29, 2008 21:43:39 GMT -5
No. The track was suppose to be in between TMOS and POTQ on DBTT according to Noel from interviews in 2005. So, STC was going to be there with the rest of the tracks we are familiar with from DBTT, but it was removed last minute right before the full tracklist was announced. I know it was supposed to be on there, I am saying I took Noel's comments to mean one particular version of the album, after all, how would DBTT be based around that song? |
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Post by oasis6 on Jun 29, 2008 21:45:35 GMT -5
I remember reading that the song Evil Eye may be saved for the next album and the band describes it as epic.....
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Post by mercury3164 on Jun 29, 2008 21:48:31 GMT -5
No. The track was suppose to be in between TMOS and POTQ on DBTT according to Noel from interviews in 2005. So, STC was going to be there with the rest of the tracks we are familiar with from DBTT, but it was removed last minute right before the full tracklist was announced. I know it was supposed to be on there, I am saying I took Noel's comments to mean one particular version of the album, after all, how would DBTT be based around that song? I am fairly certain he meant the final version of DBTT that we have, only STC would have been track 7, but was later replaced by GGTIA in the last minute. |
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Post by custodian on Jun 29, 2008 21:52:08 GMT -5
I know it was supposed to be on there, I am saying I took Noel's comments to mean one particular version of the album, after all, how would DBTT be based around that song? I am fairly certain he meant the final version of DBTT that we have, only STC would have been track 7, but was later replaced by GGTIA in the last minute. You might be right, but it is interesting to ponder. Noel mentioned DBTT was going to be a punky album at one point and there's very little evidence of that on the final release.. |
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Post by 32shutout on Jun 29, 2008 21:54:41 GMT -5
I know it was supposed to be on there, I am saying I took Noel's comments to mean one particular version of the album, after all, how would DBTT be based around that song? I am fairly certain he meant the final version of DBTT that we have, only STC would have been track 7, but was later replaced by GGTIA in the last minute. That's absolutely atrocious if true  |
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