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Post by start at the end on Jun 25, 2008 7:56:01 GMT -5
It's always been funny to me that it seems Noel "KNOWS" when the band is at its "best" (at least as far as the general public is concerned). That is Noel-penned Liam-sung ditties...just look to every first single (and largely EVERY Oasis single for that matter): Live Forever, Supersonic, Shakermaker, Cigs and Alcohol, Wonderwall, WTSMG, CSupernova, DKWIM?, Stand By Me, Don't Go Away, AATW, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love, The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Lyla, Let There Be Love, Whatever ETC.
Sure there's Songbird, DLBIA, and the IOBI, but you get the overall theme here. Roll it Over, Sunday Morning Call, Little By Little/She Is Love are not exactly building blocks of pop success.
My point is, that you know Noel's keen enough that if he was JUST into producing another Morning Glory that would sell TEN million copies he could very well do it by following the very straight-forward formula that wrought the above. But importantly, he of course has taken a decidedly different path (for better or for worse depending upon you ask) and we've had somewhat of a mixed bag of albums overall for the last decade or so.
Watch this next single (and its incredibly daft title explode...just like Lyla) and then a sweeping critical and popular majority take cuts at Noel for singing 3-4 of the tunes himself upon the release of the LP.
This isn't a personal cut, by the way. I pretty much have no real beef with how it's been "divvied" up...i just know a lot of others lose sleep over it.
For whatever reason I don' think we'll see more than 2 noel-sung cuts on this one.
any ideas?
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Post by LlAM on Jun 25, 2008 8:56:35 GMT -5
I only know the last track on the album is sung by Noel.
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Post by start at the end on Jun 25, 2008 9:20:43 GMT -5
I only know the last track on the album is sung by Noel. You still betting on record machine too? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 25, 2008 9:27:29 GMT -5
I only know the last track on the album is sung by Noel. You still betting on record machine too? As am I |
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Jun 25, 2008 9:34:13 GMT -5
My point is, that you know Noel's keen enough that if he was JUST into producing another Morning Glory that would sell TEN million copies he could very well do it by following the very straight-forward formula he has already tried that. the product is called heathen chemistry and has not sold 10 million copies. |
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Post by start at the end on Jun 25, 2008 9:43:40 GMT -5
My point is, that you know Noel's keen enough that if he was JUST into producing another Morning Glory that would sell TEN million copies he could very well do it by following the very straight-forward formula he has already tried that. the product is called heathen chemistry and has not sold 10 million copies. Umm, well, no. Force of Nature, Hung in A Bad Place, Songbird, A Quick Peep, She Is Love, Little By Little, Born On A Different Cloud and Betterman certainly do not fit the Noel-penned, Liam-sung template. That makes 8 out of 11! Funny, cuz the top 2 songs on that record DO: The Hindu Times and Stop Crying Your Heart Out- Songbird is great though too. |
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Post by start at the end on Jun 25, 2008 9:50:35 GMT -5
Really, while HC is a pretty solid record overall, it may make my case the best.
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Post by Bloomfield on Jun 25, 2008 11:31:45 GMT -5
The best Oasis songs are Noel penned, Liam sung, from the white label of Columbia through DBTT... Honestly, the most bummed out I've been when listening to an Oasis song was LDSMD... none of what has made them exciting is in that song... it's just crap bar music with a boring singer. Liam needs to sing the songs unless they are acoustic b-sides... and Noel needs to be LESS democratic and write all the songs... won't be case for this new record, so it's not going to be a "classic"... just a fact.
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Post by quellophant on Jun 25, 2008 11:49:55 GMT -5
I will look forward to a noel solo album, weird songs like teotihuacan (however you spell it) and setting sun/let forever be...
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Post by start at the end on Jun 25, 2008 12:00:16 GMT -5
The best Oasis songs are Noel penned, Liam sung, from the white label of Columbia through DBTT... Honestly, the most bummed out I've been when listening to an Oasis song was LDSMD... none of what has made them exciting is in that song... it's just crap bar music with a boring singer. Liam needs to sing the songs unless they are acoustic b-sides... and Noel needs to be LESS democratic and write all the songs... won't be case for this new record, so it's not going to be a "classic"... just a fact. honestly don't think this is real far off. One or two noel tunes, fair enough. Anything beyond that just doesn't do it for me...and this is coming from a guy who loves Noel and all of his songs- I just like liam-heavy Lp's for one reason or another- he just seems to add a shitload to the tunes...think about SCYHO, Hindu times, csupernova, go let it out, don't go away, dyou know what i mean, lyla, llab, turn up the sun, supersonic and others without him? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 25, 2008 12:00:43 GMT -5
The best Oasis songs are Noel penned, Liam sung, from the white label of Columbia through DBTT... Honestly, the most bummed out I've been when listening to an Oasis song was LDSMD... none of what has made them exciting is in that song... it's just crap bar music with a boring singer. Liam needs to sing the songs unless they are acoustic b-sides... and Noel needs to be LESS democratic and write all the songs... won't be case for this new record, so it's not going to be a "classic"... just a fact. This is how they've done it, and how they should continue doing it: Anthems/Ballads/Acoustic: NOEL Heavy/Heavier Rockers: LIAM Noel has the better voice by conventional standards. His voice is perfect for the anthems, especially now since Liams voice can't even handle a Live Forever or Slide Away any more, sadly. That's why I think Noel WILL and SHOULD keep the vocals for the final version of RM (whenever it'll be released). Liam's energy and sneering vocals are made for the true rockers, like Headshrinker, MOS, etc Now of course exceptions can and will be made, but only if Liam's voice can handle the ballad he's singing. If not, it's a must that Noel does it, but Noels voice has gotten better over the years, and is suited for those types of songs. Imagine DLBIA sung by Liam - you can't. Imagine Headshrinker sung by Noel - you can't. ---> Point made. |
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Post by LlAM on Jun 25, 2008 12:21:37 GMT -5
I only know the last track on the album is sung by Noel. You still betting on record machine too? I've heard people say it's *Don't Let It Come Down Over Me" |
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Post by quellophant on Jun 25, 2008 12:34:03 GMT -5
Is that the one in the lyla documentary that sounds really good, you see noel teach it to liam and you see gem play it at the end. Sounds amazing! hope they release it somehow or it at least gets leaked...
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Post by 32shutout on Jun 25, 2008 12:47:57 GMT -5
Is that the one in the lyla documentary that sounds really good, you see noel teach it to liam and you see gem play it at the end. Sounds amazing! hope they release it somehow or it at least gets leaked... That lyla documentary really pisses me off. There's like six fucking amazing clips in there, that definitely should have been on the album in place of llab, mos, and a bell will fucking ring. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 25, 2008 12:53:12 GMT -5
Is that the one in the lyla documentary that sounds really good, you see noel teach it to liam and you see gem play it at the end. Sounds amazing! hope they release it somehow or it at least gets leaked... That lyla documentary really pisses me off. There's like six fucking amazing clips in there, that definitely should have been on the album in place of llab, mos, and a bell will fucking ring. LLAB is class. A great spring/summertime song. When the piano comes in the songs explodes. Beautiful tune. Take that back! |
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Post by 32shutout on Jun 25, 2008 12:59:04 GMT -5
That lyla documentary really pisses me off. There's like six fucking amazing clips in there, that definitely should have been on the album in place of llab, mos, and a bell will fucking ring. LLAB is class. A great spring/summertime song. When the piano comes in the songs explodes. Beautiful tune. Take that back! It's an okay song, and i'm not saying i dont like any of those songs i mentioned, but there are several clips of songs that seem far more interesting than llab, mos, abwr, and ggtia. |
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Post by Bloomfield on Jun 25, 2008 13:25:37 GMT -5
LLAB is grating... The verse melody is amateur and unpleasant and Liam sings it way too raspy. The chorus is cool and actually has a great one-liner but overall it should have been at most, a b-side... but that's a whole nother topic.... Like I say... the democratic stuff is idiotic... Liam sings Noels songs... that's how you make the best Oasis record.
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Post by Smige on Jun 25, 2008 13:33:37 GMT -5
he has already tried that. the product is called heathen chemistry and has not sold 10 million copies. Umm, well, no. Force of Nature, Hung in A Bad Place, Songbird, A Quick Peep, She Is Love, Little By Little, Born On A Different Cloud and Betterman certainly do not fit the Noel-penned, Liam-sung template. That makes 8 out of 11! In fairness, neither did The Swamp Song or DLBIA =P |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2008 13:35:41 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck about who the songs were written by, as long as they are quality. A Bell Will Ring? Quality. Love Like A Bomb? Good stuff. Turn Up The Sun? Cool fucking beans, man.
Fact is, you can always go back to Morning Glory or Definitely Maybe and say "oh look, the best tunes are by Noel". Well, that's because they're ALL by Noel and I doubt he is churning out tunes like that day after day and I doubt he did even in their prime.
Again, you could always go back to DBTT and say "oh look, lyla, the importance of being idle, etc". Yeah, they're fucking great tunes, but singles alone do not make an album.
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Post by dearprudence on Jun 27, 2008 22:19:04 GMT -5
Webby i think the forum should make you take a mental exam before letting you sign in... cause people are getting fucking mental in here
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Post by MarioV182 on Jun 28, 2008 1:23:19 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck about who the songs were written by, as long as they are quality. A Bell Will Ring? Quality. Love Like A Bomb? Good stuff. Turn Up The Sun? Cool fucking beans, man. Fact is, you can always go back to Morning Glory or Definitely Maybe and say "oh look, the best tunes are by Noel". Well, that's because they're ALL by Noel and I doubt he is churning out tunes like that day after day and I doubt he did even in their prime. Again, you could always go back to DBTT and say "oh look, lyla, the importance of being idle, etc". Yeah, they're fucking great tunes, but singles alone do not make an album. the damn fucking truth.  |
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Post by Underneath the sky on Jun 28, 2008 7:53:45 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck about who the songs were written by, as long as they are quality. A Bell Will Ring? Quality. Love Like A Bomb? Good stuff. Turn Up The Sun? Cool fucking beans, man. Fact is, you can always go back to Morning Glory or Definitely Maybe and say "oh look, the best tunes are by Noel". Well, that's because they're ALL by Noel and I doubt he is churning out tunes like that day after day and I doubt he did even in their prime. Again, you could always go back to DBTT and say "oh look, lyla, the importance of being idle, etc". Yeah, they're fucking great tunes, but singles alone do not make an album. the damn fucking truth. Yeah there's no way we're ever going to get an album of all Noel written songs. Force of Nature, (Probably) All in the Mind, She Is Love and Mucky Fingers were on the last two albums and are all average. Noel is drying up, he can still write 4 or 5 quality tracks per album but it's unrealistic to expect him to be able to write another Definitely Maybe. I guess he could have put STC, RM or Revolution Song on either of the last two albums but for some reason he doesn't seem to think they're ready. |
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