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Post by nyr401994 on Jun 27, 2008 0:34:34 GMT -5
listen guys, there is no "hope" or "change" with obama. he's just that good of a politician to make you think that he's going to change politics and get rid of waste and all that. the last person who said something similar to that was elliott spitzer. even george w. bush promised to "restore integrity into the white house" during the 2000 campaign.
mccain is no maverick either. since he knew he would enter the race, he lost his moderate roots and voted somewhere around 95% with the current administration during the past 2-3 years. and if iraq is such a glowing success like he's been repeatedly saying, then how come we haven't left yet? i thought he knew how wars worked. (the man's a hero, but remember how americans forgot firemen and policemen as if 9/11 never happened. they're not getting health benefits, proper equipment or the respect that they deserve, and this was only seven years ago. how come he gets all this credit and admiration yet regular guys still aren't?)
both of these guys are politicians. remember the old adage: "you know when a politician's lying? whenever he opens his mouth?" well, we're getting both of the same in 2008, just like every other freaking election. the united states election gives people an illusion of choice. yet they will be the same old crap we don't like. god bless america, indeed.
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Jun 27, 2008 3:26:47 GMT -5
i basically agree. campaign slogans never meet political reality. italians know that for decades. and dubyas whole presidency's been in non-stop campaign mode. however, what i like about both candidates so far is their -dare i say- more open minded approach and willingness to listen to opinions from all sides of the political spectrum. i respect mccain as a straight talker (not just to his wife  ) and obama both for not being glued to a certain ideology. what i don't like is the coverage by the media that seems to focus on trivialities (and that includes dubyas violations against the english language) and how people can take seriously what partisan hack A thinks of candidate B. is a politician really less patriotic/determined/qualified/knowledgable/steadfast if an author or anchorman is claiming such over and over again? |
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Post by Moorish on Jul 21, 2008 9:38:22 GMT -5
listen guys, there is no "hope" or "change" with obama. he's just that good of a politician to make you think that he's going to change politics and get rid of waste and all that. the last person who said something similar to that was elliott spitzer. even george w. bush promised to "restore integrity into the white house" during the 2000 campaign. mccain is no maverick either. since he knew he would enter the race, he lost his moderate roots and voted somewhere around 95% with the current administration during the past 2-3 years. and if iraq is such a glowing success like he's been repeatedly saying, then how come we haven't left yet? i thought he knew how wars worked. (the man's a hero, but remember how americans forgot firemen and policemen as if 9/11 never happened. they're not getting health benefits, proper equipment or the respect that they deserve, and this was only seven years ago. how come he gets all this credit and admiration yet regular guys still aren't?) both of these guys are politicians. remember the old adage: "you know when a politician's lying? whenever he opens his mouth?" well, we're getting both of the same in 2008, just like every other freaking election. the united states election gives people an illusion of choice. yet they will be the same old crap we don't like. god bless america, indeed. This is sadly probably true. However: the vote comes down to the possibility, however remote it may be, of change (Obama), and more of the same (McCain). I hope Americans vote with their brains - if your economy is fucked then voting for the guys who fucked it for you, just because you think their leader is "closer to God" is deluded. |
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 21, 2008 9:43:23 GMT -5
I hope Americans vote with their brains - if your economy is fucked then voting for the guys who fucked it for you, just because you think their leader is "closer to God" is deluded. There is no way obama- with his price controls and 'windfall profits tax', would do anything other than to hurt the economy If the economy is truly your biggest concern in the election, you should vote for the candidate who will do the most to allow the free market to run it's course |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2008 11:52:08 GMT -5
I hope Americans vote with their brains - if your economy is fucked then voting for the guys who fucked it for you, just because you think their leader is "closer to God" is deluded. There is no way obama- with his price controls and 'windfall profits tax', would do anything other than to hurt the economy If the economy is truly your biggest concern in the election, you should vote for the candidate who will do the most to allow the free market to run it's course utter rubbish, the sytem is failing you don't just hang about and hope it rights its self. |
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Jul 21, 2008 18:09:18 GMT -5
There is no way obama- with his price controls and 'windfall profits tax', would do anything other than to hurt the economy If the economy is truly your biggest concern in the election, you should vote for the candidate who will do the most to allow the free market to run it's course utter rubbish, the sytem is failing you don't just hang about and hope it rights its self. yes you do, that's how free markets work best take a look at the housing market - there's a huge different between the government articially keeping housing prices high and implementing fairer lending practices. some government intervention is necessary, but only so that people are protected from criminals, not from themselves making bad decisions (works for companies and individuals) |
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Post by Moorish on Jul 22, 2008 9:50:48 GMT -5
utter rubbish, the sytem is failing you don't just hang about and hope it rights its self. yes you do, that's how free markets work best take a look at the housing market - there's a huge different between the government articially keeping housing prices high and implementing fairer lending practices. some government intervention is necessary, but only so that people are protected from criminals, not from themselves making bad decisions (works for companies and individuals) Funny how at the moment we seem to have a lot of profitable companies (the tiny bracket of the population who benefit from Bush tax cuts and domestic policies and amass greater wealth) and a lot of fucked individuals. Politics works in cycles - the Republicans have had their 8 years fucking things up, give someone else a try. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 22, 2008 22:28:17 GMT -5
you guys are kidding yourselves -- they're all full of shit.
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 6:15:38 GMT -5
you guys are kidding yourselves -- they're all full of shit. ding! ding! ding! news flash: no politician speaks an ounce of truth. they tell you what they think you wanna hear!! ("change", "we'll get out of iraq", "moving on", etc..." |
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 23, 2008 11:37:36 GMT -5
The Republicans have destroyed the United States. If you disagree then you probably still wet the bed.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 12:19:59 GMT -5
I wrote this, it's pretty damn good but i would think that. Would make a good political add too lol
Yeah, let's have a President who has no experience, especially when there's serious foreign policy matters to deal with like Iraq and Iran. Let's have a President who has run a whole campaign about being a "different and new kind of politician" only to negate the fact with controversies like the Rev. Wright saga and him pandering like a typical politician to moderate voters. Let's have a President who denies the success of the surge and rather set arbitrary deadlines for withdrawal rather than basing it on current and projected conditions. And let's have a President whose energy policy is as flawed as Carter's, and who would initiate more useless government programs.
Actually, on second thought, let's not have this President.
John McCain '08
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 15:59:44 GMT -5
The Republicans have destroyed the United States. If you disagree then you probably still wet the bed. Alright, so you willing go give double your taxes to support some deadbeat with gas prices the way they are and the economy the way it is? Let's see how you feel when that paycheck comes...bet you won't be happy then. Fuckin liberals live in this little fantasy land where all is perfect and everyone is happy. Welcome to reality. Shit happens and it needs to be cleaned up. It doesn't need to be swept under a rug because you don't have the balls to deal with it. |
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 23, 2008 16:33:12 GMT -5
The Republicans have destroyed the United States. If you disagree then you probably still wet the bed. Alright, so you willing go give double your taxes to support some deadbeat with gas prices the way they are and the economy the way it is? Let's see how you feel when that paycheck comes...bet you won't be happy then. Fuckin liberals live in this little fantasy land where all is perfect and everyone is happy. Welcome to reality. Shit happens and it needs to be cleaned up. It doesn't need to be swept under a rug because you don't have the balls to deal with it. I don't think the problem is so much simply taxes, but the added authority the govt. takes when taxes go up. For example, health care: all the democrats are talking about universal health care- an admirable goal. But I don't believe the govt. can provide suitable health care to all. I do think they can give less than adequate health care to all, however. The way I would like to see health care move is de-reguulation. If you were to cut out most to all govt. regulation in the field, something like 33% of the total cost in health care could be reduced. And if something were done about the massive joke that is malpractice lawsuits were sorted out, Dr's wouldn't have to make up the massive loss they pay in insurance in the form of bills. Sorry if i went off on a tangent. |
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 23, 2008 16:33:59 GMT -5
The Republicans have destroyed the United States. If you disagree then you probably still wet the bed. Really?! I had no idea!  |
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Jul 23, 2008 17:37:29 GMT -5
The Republicans have destroyed the United States. If you disagree then you probably still wet the bed. Alright, so you willing go give double your taxes to support some deadbeat with gas prices the way they are and the economy the way it is? Let's see how you feel when that paycheck comes...bet you won't be happy then. Fuckin liberals live in this little fantasy land where all is perfect and everyone is happy. Welcome to reality. Shit happens and it needs to be cleaned up. It doesn't need to be swept under a rug because you don't have the balls to deal with it. you're taking a pretty hard line there, but I agree that most liberals haven't thought out how economic redistribution would affect them. It's nice to help others, but when over 50% of you paycheck is missing .... let's just say, utopia for me isn't having the gov't provide everything from health care to subsidizing ineffecient American companies so 'jobs don't go overseas' |
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 23, 2008 21:33:50 GMT -5
The Republicans have destroyed the United States. If you disagree then you probably still wet the bed. Alright, so you willing go give double your taxes to support some deadbeat with gas prices the way they are and the economy the way it is? Let's see how you feel when that paycheck comes...bet you won't be happy then. Fuckin liberals live in this little fantasy land where all is perfect and everyone is happy. Welcome to reality. Shit happens and it needs to be cleaned up. It doesn't need to be swept under a rug because you don't have the balls to deal with it. Steady, mate, I am just playing devil's advocate. The discussion seemed a bit dry so I thought i'd spice it up! Personally, I don't have the answers to the problems the U.S. faces. All I can say is that the U.S. should review its manifest destiny-type paradigm and consider moving towards a more Universally supported agenda. This is no longer the year 1900. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 23, 2008 22:36:50 GMT -5
anybody who thinks the candidate of his or her choice has all the answers and will solve all the problems needs therapy and should highly consider not voting in november.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2008 6:46:35 GMT -5
I wrote this, it's pretty damn good but i would think that. Would make a good political add too lol Yeah, let's have a President who has no experience, especially when there's serious foreign policy matters to deal with like Iraq and Iran. Let's have a President who has run a whole campaign about being a "different and new kind of politician" only to negate the fact with controversies like the Rev. Wright saga and him pandering like a typical politician to moderate voters. Let's have a President who denies the success of the surge and rather set arbitrary deadlines for withdrawal rather than basing it on current and projected conditions. And let's have a President whose energy policy is as flawed as Carter's, and who would initiate more useless government programs. Actually, on second thought, let's not have this President. John McCain '08 vote green |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2008 6:47:36 GMT -5
utter rubbish, the sytem is failing you don't just hang about and hope it rights its self. yes you do, that's how free markets work best take a look at the housing market - there's a huge different between the government articially keeping housing prices high and implementing fairer lending practices. some government intervention is necessary, but only so that people are protected from criminals, not from themselves making bad decisions (works for companies and individuals) normally yes but as you have stated some government intervention is necessary as these are not normal times. |
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