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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on May 24, 2008 15:43:05 GMT -5
Why does Noel only put 10 or 11 songs on an album?? Especially in the early days. Think about it...DM had 11, MG had 10 (and atleast 3 or 4 that should've been on it), BHN had 12 (rare ambition in oasis standards), SOTSOG had 10, HC had 11, and DBTT had 11. They had atleast 50 songs demoed for DBTT, why not make a double CD out of it? If this is the version of RM that was done for that album, then why not put it on? It could've been another huge hit, maybe even bigger than Lyla and TIOBI. It sounds just like the rest of DBTT...stripped down, retro, and Beatles-esque.
Anyways I'm just curious if I'm alone here. I know no one understands how they held some songs off the early albums, but I'm talking about a general lack of ambition. I know a double CD could really suck if the material is forced and not good enough, but they take enough time between albums that we know they've got tons of songs written (if Noel actually let Andy and Gem have more then a song or 2). Idk I just don't get it
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Post by 32shutout on May 24, 2008 15:56:21 GMT -5
I think that 11-12 songs is the perfect number for a record (50 min. being the perfect length). SOTSOG always seemed to me to be way to light in terms of songs, b/c FITB is an instrumental, and i usually overlook LJ, and so i only think of about 8 real songs on that album. On the other hand, the version of Revolver i have has fourteen songs, and any more than that seems like to many, because it gets too long for me. I don't remember the last time i heard that album all the way through, i usually just listen to particular songs.
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Post by kenneth on May 24, 2008 16:49:44 GMT -5
Didn't Sony want them to make Don't Believe The Truth into a double album? But Noel refused, because he didn't want to give Sony to much at the end of their record deal? Can anyone else verify this?
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on May 24, 2008 19:58:15 GMT -5
I've always noticed that Noel has a special care for tracklisting when it comes to the albuns... he's always saying how worry he is about the order, and how afraid he is of sounding too long or something like that... i guess this goes way back to his Betales influence, where you put down a record and you're done listening in 30-40mins, but you're blow away by it...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 24, 2008 20:09:34 GMT -5
Double albums almost always spell disaster. Look at the the last RHCP album: Stadium Arcadium....decent album, but too much filler
Same problem with have a single album with like 14 songs or so -- tends to be too much filler.
While it does bother me that Oasis have all these classic tunes as B-Sides that no one would hear (except us), and which would have made them EVEN BIGGER if put on an album - Noel is wise to keep the albums at 10-12 songs (he's not always wise with the tracklisting though - LLAB should have been on it instead of Little James, Flashbax instead of Magic Pie, etc etc)
Longer albums mean more filler, and tends to drag on too long, and people start losing their attention.
Noel seems very calculated about this process. On the DM DVD (I believe it was) Noel states that the #3 track is basically scientifically proven to be one of the most important with regards to keepnig listeners interested, and that's why Live Forever was picked in the place.
I'd rather have an album of 10 songs that is focused and the bands best work than 18 songs that has filler on it.
What Noel should do, imo, is if he has any more "B-Side material songs" he shouldnt release them as b-sides, but wait until the next record, and release them etc etc....and it seems he's now doing that, what with all the songs left over from DBTT sessions and RM and STC are a testament to that
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on May 25, 2008 5:08:49 GMT -5
What Noel should do, imo, is if he has any more "B-Side material songs" he shouldnt release them as b-sides, but wait until the next record, and release them etc etc... No because when you're writing you get certain songs that you group together... A friend of mine has been writing all his life and has hundreds of songs.. He's recording his 6th album at the moment but will only put certain songs on it dispite the fact that he knows he has better ones.. It's the way things work sometimes.. I'm recording with my band soon and I already know exactly what is going where and what's going on the CD already. It's just musos being strange at the end of the day. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2008 5:54:16 GMT -5
i think its rare for albums longer than 45 minutes not to have filler. i think noel knows what he is doing.
also just because he has demoed 50 songs dosen't mean all of them are good enough to be put on an album or that he he is satisfied that he has got the song right yet and it may appear on a future album.
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Post by ShakeAlongWithMe on May 25, 2008 15:00:34 GMT -5
the white album doesnt have much filler  |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2008 15:12:36 GMT -5
the white album doesnt have much filler could have done without savoy truffle and revoluition 9. but lets face it the beatles are a class above |
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Post by ShakeAlongWithMe on May 25, 2008 18:35:58 GMT -5
true enough. an exception to all  . revolution 9 is quality lol. only lennon would and could do something like that. |
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Post by NowhereLad on May 25, 2008 23:48:50 GMT -5
So Honey pie, Rocky Racoon, Bungalow Bill, Piggies, Dont Pass Me By is not filler?
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Post by 32shutout on May 25, 2008 23:59:34 GMT -5
Rocky racoon is class, but the others...
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Post by LlAM on May 26, 2008 1:10:46 GMT -5
Noel once mentioned that it's important not to make rock albums too long cos the listener will lose focus/interest.
I think it was prior to Stop The Clocks release.
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Post by jdsilva67 on May 26, 2008 6:46:59 GMT -5
If you want to make a very long album, I think there's got to be something more cohesive about it than regular albums. Some themes to hold it all together, like with Quadraphenia. Not necessarily a rock opera, but something running through it to keep it a unified album.
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on May 26, 2008 12:28:36 GMT -5
If you want to make a very long album, I think there's got to be something more cohesive about it than regular albums. Some themes to hold it all together, like with Quadraphenia. Not necessarily a rock opera, but something running through it to keep it a unified album. Yea you've got a point. They usually do have some concept or theme, but I think this is just a generally theme with Noel. I think he's content on just being a meat and potatoes rock band, and was scared out of being ambitious after BHN. I mean we haven't even really heard Noel speak about making some "fresh and new sounds" until recently. I guess it's just a little frustrating knowing they can be so much more, but he seems to have become somewhat complacent IMO. Hopefully my opinion will change after the new record comes out |
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Post by paceoasisstc on Jun 6, 2008 10:56:25 GMT -5
By having 3 years off between albums and 4 songwriters in the band I'd don't think it is too unrealistic for them to release a double album of 17-20 songs. Especially considering Liam's tendency to compose 2 minute songs and the obligatory instrumental(s) from the band - the album length wouldn't necessarily be all too long.
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Post by 32shutout on Jun 6, 2008 13:14:34 GMT -5
didn't noel already say it's an 11-12 song album, w/ him writing 7 of them
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jun 6, 2008 20:46:34 GMT -5
Off topic, but change the size of the pic in your signature, paceoasisstc. Every topic you reply in, it breaks the page size and you have to go back and forth between one side and the other to read messages. It's really annoying.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 6, 2008 21:02:24 GMT -5
Off topic, but change the size of the pic in your signature, paceoasisstc. Every topic you reply in, it breaks the page size and you have to go back and forth between one side and the other to read messages. It's really annoying. I don't have a problem. Use firefox matey. It is annoying though. It's massive. Perhaps you're trying to balance out the other small item you have by having that big sig, but it's just not working out mate. |
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Post by Cast on Jun 6, 2008 21:47:53 GMT -5
I use firefox its the resolution size you have your computer on
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