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Post by henrod89 on May 25, 2008 17:15:24 GMT -5
First of all, '10 out of 10 alright' isn't as bad as '10 out of 10 all night' but it's still a lame line. And what about 'I'm a different breed and I'm in my own elite' ?? Are you going to defend that line as well ?? It's lame. Also, I'm not bashing Liam's songs. I love LLAB. It's one of my favorite tunes on DBTT. I'm just saying that when Liam writes an average song, like MOS, people go nuts and overrate because Liam wrote it. People are obsessed with him. But he does write good songs. I like BOAD, LLAB, GGTIA, and Songbird. But MOS is just lame and it's definitely one of the worst, if not the worst, on DBTT. And yea, I probably stretched it out a bit with ABWR being the most Beatlesque on the album. But imo it's still one of the best songs on the album and it's far better than MOS. I just think they tried to make it too 'raw' with the production. I think just a little more could have been done to it. JESUS. Get the fucking lyrics right. "I'm a different breed, I'm outta your league" And so you dont keep fucking it up, here's the full lyrics: ---------- I gotta show you, man The meaning of soul I'm taking on love tonight Get out of my way I dig what you say But that ain't enough, alright I'm a different breed I'm outta your league I'm 10 out of 10, alright Get out of my way I dig what you say But that ain't enough, alright All rise I see the love in your eyes If its alright Then I'll be your light ------------- It's a rocking tune. It's filled with energy and attitude. And those lyrics aren't bad at all. You dont get it if you think they're bad lyrics. Look at the title - The Meaning of Soul....now re-read the lyrics....lyrics match what the song is about to perfection. lol! Thanks for showing me the actual lyrics because it's worse than I thought!! 'I'm a different breed/I'm outta your league'!! Oh dear. Unlike the messup I had with 'all night and alright', the actual lyrics are actually worse. It's mediocre lyrics at absolute best. Just cos Liam wrote it doesn't make it good. If you want a good/clever song that is filled with attitude then go pop in Definitely Maybe and listen to Rock n Roll Star. That's how you write a good song with attitude and not dumb lyrics. Or even listen to Supersonic or Cigs and Alcohol or Bring it On Down. Those are all good examples of songs with 'attitude' that get the message across in a straight way. I can't believe that people are bashing ABWR's lyrics and saying those lyrics aren't good but MOS's lyrics are great and filled with energy! hahahaha. Noel or Liam should have taken credit for ABWR so people could appreciate it. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 25, 2008 18:23:21 GMT -5
JESUS. Get the fucking lyrics right. "I'm a different breed, I'm outta your league" And so you dont keep fucking it up, here's the full lyrics: ---------- I gotta show you, man The meaning of soul I'm taking on love tonight Get out of my way I dig what you say But that ain't enough, alright I'm a different breed I'm outta your league I'm 10 out of 10, alright Get out of my way I dig what you say But that ain't enough, alright All rise I see the love in your eyes If its alright Then I'll be your light ------------- It's a rocking tune. It's filled with energy and attitude. And those lyrics aren't bad at all. You dont get it if you think they're bad lyrics. Look at the title - The Meaning of Soul....now re-read the lyrics....lyrics match what the song is about to perfection. lol! Thanks for showing me the actual lyrics because it's worse than I thought!! 'I'm a different breed/I'm outta your league'!! Oh dear. Unlike the messup I had with 'all night and alright', the actual lyrics are actually worse. It's mediocre lyrics at absolute best. Just cos Liam wrote it doesn't make it good. If you want a good/clever song that is filled with attitude then go pop in Definitely Maybe and listen to Rock n Roll Star. That's how you write a good song with attitude and not dumb lyrics. Or even listen to Supersonic or Cigs and Alcohol or Bring it On Down. Those are all good examples of songs with 'attitude' that get the message across in a straight way. I can't believe that people are bashing ABWR's lyrics and saying those lyrics aren't good but MOS's lyrics are great and filled with energy! hahahaha. Noel or Liam should have taken credit for ABWR so people could appreciate it. You're an idiot. Not because of your hatred for MOS because we all have different opinions, but because of your twisted reasoning that we care who wrote it Where the fuck did you get that notion from? A good song is a good song. If Noel wrote Little James it would be equally as shit, and if Liam wrote Live Forever it would be equally as great. No one on here said MOS is good only because Liam wrote it. And no one on here said that ABWR is bad because Gem wrote it. |
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Post by Cast on May 25, 2008 21:24:12 GMT -5
Eyeball Tickler was so much better than a ABWR just pointing that out. ABWR is not shit i just find it to be a tad boring sometimes.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on May 25, 2008 21:31:48 GMT -5
I'd say the lyrics of MOS match the energy of the song, I mean they're direct and simple, like the song, powerfull and short... but I'm not a fan of the melody, should have been a b-side in my opinion, Eyeball Tickler had a lot more going on if you ask me...
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Post by henrod89 on May 27, 2008 15:34:35 GMT -5
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You're an idiot. Not because of your hatred for MOS because we all have different opinions, but because of your twisted reasoning that we care who wrote it
Where the fuck did you get that notion from?
A good song is a good song. If Noel wrote Little James it would be equally as shit, and if Liam wrote Live Forever it would be equally as great.
No one on here said MOS is good only because Liam wrote it. And no one on here said that ABWR is bad because Gem wrote it. [/quote]
lol. I'm an idiot ? First of all, someone said that ABWR was an excuse to put a Gem song on an album.
Secondly, my point is that everything Liam does tends to get overrated. If you don't see or understand that than you need to open your mind up a bit. And in my opinion, there is no better example than MOS. The fact that people will bash ABWR but praise MOS proves my point.
Yes, Liam writes really good songs. BOADC, Songbird, LLAB, GGTIA. I'm just saying people are obsessed with him and they tend to give him a bit more slack than other members like Noel and Gem. If Liam wrote ABWR, I would have a really really hard time believing that this many people would still bash the song.
ABWR is lyrically alot better than alot of songs Oasis has released in recent past and musically it is refreshing. I do think the production hurt it a bit. I think there should have been a bit more backing vocals. I think Sardy tried to make it too 'raw'. But it's still a class song.
And just because lyrics fit a song, doesn't mean the song is good. I listed some good examples of songs with energy, good/great lyrics, and attitude if you want to take a listen.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2008 15:48:50 GMT -5
You're an idiot. Not because of your hatred for MOS because we all have different opinions, but because of your twisted reasoning that we care who wrote it Where the fuck did you get that notion from? A good song is a good song. If Noel wrote Little James it would be equally as shit, and if Liam wrote Live Forever it would be equally as great. No one on here said MOS is good only because Liam wrote it. And no one on here said that ABWR is bad because Gem wrote it. [/quote] lol. I'm an idiot ? First of all, someone said that ABWR was an excuse to put a Gem song on an album. Secondly, my point is that everything Liam does tends to get overrated. If you don't see or understand that than you need to open your mind up a bit. And in my opinion, there is no better example than MOS. The fact that people will bash ABWR but praise MOS proves my point. Yes, Liam writes really good songs. BOADC, Songbird, LLAB, GGTIA. I'm just saying people are obsessed with him and they tend to give him a bit more slack than other members like Noel and Gem. If Liam wrote ABWR, I would have a really really hard time believing that this many people would still bash the song. ABWR is lyrically alot better than alot of songs Oasis has released in recent past and musically it is refreshing. I do think the production hurt it a bit. I think there should have been a bit more backing vocals. I think Sardy tried to make it too 'raw'. But it's still a class song. And just because lyrics fit a song, doesn't mean the song is good. I listed some good examples of songs with energy, good/great lyrics, and attitude if you want to take a listen. [/quote] A little space
A little time
See what it can do
A little faith
Peace of mindSee what passes through
The sun will shine on you againA bell will ring inside your head And all will be brand newCome alive Come on in Something let you know The worlds as wide
As your life is thin
So entertain your goalsThe sun will shine on you againA bell will ring inside your head And all will be brand new
All will be brand newI can tell you what you wanna hear I've been there once before You brought me through the empty nights Sleepless on your floor The sun will shine on you again A bell will ring inside your head And all will be brand new
All will be brand newYou call that good? It's filled with irritating cliches (bold), and boring bland lines. Piss off Repeating "all will be brand new" is genius? KTDA, MF, GGTIA, and espeically POTQ are all lyrically superior to ABWR....POTQ is the best thing Noel has done in awhile. You're in the minoirty if you think ABWR is fantastic, nothing wrong with that but jsut shut the fuck up |
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Post by henrod89 on May 27, 2008 18:42:13 GMT -5
^^^ If you could read, you'd see that in my previous posts on this thread, I said that the 'all will be brand new part' is the only part of the song that isn't really all that good. So you're a little late on that one.
And I didn't say anything was 'genius'. I just said ABWR is much better than MOS. But than again, every song on DBTT is better than MOS. So what is that really saying ??
I'm a different breed/I'm outta your league
I'm 10 out of 10 alright, speaks for itself.
And Pass Me Down the Wine is another mediocre song that people when nuts over and was/is overrated because of people's obsession with Liam.
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Post by Cast on May 27, 2008 19:18:39 GMT -5
PMDTW is great shoulda been on DBTT instead of MOS (picking between Liam songs) The last lyrics are fucking awesome and I love the guitar.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2008 20:01:54 GMT -5
^^^ If you could read, you'd see that in my previous posts on this thread, I said that the 'all will be brand new part' is the only part of the song that isn't really all that good. So you're a little late on that one. And I didn't say anything was 'genius'. I just said ABWR is much better than MOS. But than again, every song on DBTT is better than MOS. So what is that really saying ?? I'm a different breed/I'm outta your league I'm 10 out of 10 alright, speaks for itself. And Pass Me Down the Wine is another mediocre song that people when nuts over and was/is overrated because of people's obsession with Liam. Pass Me Down the Wine isn't my favorite, I dont play it often, but it is still a solid tune. And you're so wrong about MOS - the lyrics work wonderfully with the meaning, energy, and attitude of the song. ABWR is just bland, boring, and the cliche it's built upon is just preachy and uncool. "Entertain your goals"....seriously cringe And once again, it has nothing to do with the song writer. Stop being so idiotic. People dont go "nuts" over MOS or PMDDTW because Liam wrote it. Rather because they are good tunes. You're way over your head on that one. What a messed up view you have there - that people judge songs on the song writer. I don't think so..... |
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 27, 2008 20:33:50 GMT -5
You're always fucking banging on about cliches.
If you'd care to re-read the lyrics to Don't Believe The Truth (or most Oasis albums, for that matter) you'd realise that there are literally fucking dozens. You can't use it as a basis for disliking an Oasis tune. That aside, you've been talking up Stop The Clocks on here for the past month, and some of the lyrics in that song are dreadful.
Since you're such an aficionado on lyric-writing, perhaps you ought to give it a crack, eh?
Oh, and one last thing; stop presenting your fucking opinion as though it's fact. It's arrogant.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2008 20:55:25 GMT -5
You're always fucking banging on about cliches. If you'd care to re-read the lyrics to Don't Believe The Truth (or most Oasis albums, for that matter) you'd realise that there are literally fucking dozens. You can't use it as a basis for disliking an Oasis tune. That aside, you've been talking up Stop The Clocks on here for the past month, and some of the lyrics in that song are dreadful. Since you're such an aficionado on lyric-writing, perhaps you ought to give it a crack, eh? Oh, and one last thing; stop presenting your fucking opinion as though it's fact. It's arrogant. I'm not against using cliche's in songs. I'm against using embarrassing cliches....."Keep the dream alive" is rather cool, with a 'lets have it' attitude. "World as wide as youre life is thin/Entertain your goals" is just embarrassing And actually, I'm rather good at writing and constructing sentences and such -- I'm not a song writer cos I'm not interested in it, but I'm a fucking good writer - same concept, so how about you keep your mouth shut. From my paper: Did Richard Nixon achieve peace with honor in the Vietnam War 1.) While there was mass support for the United States’ involvement, and while the initial motives were genuine and benevolent in nature, the war was wrought with severe mistakes and miscalculations which ultimately rendered the conflict unwinnable. By the time Richard Nixon entered the White House in 1969, the frustrated and war-weary public demanded an end to this already decade long conflict. Nixon did achieve peace by withdrawing all military forces from Vietnam, but this did not occur until 1975, thus yielding six years of yet more critical mistakes and struggles. 2.) In 1969, the American public voted in a Republican for the presidency hoping for change and improvement, fed up with the incompetence of the Democrats who created the disarray in the first place. However, Nixon proved to be no different than his liberal counterparts, and perhaps was worse due to the contradictory nature of his policies. 3.) Not only did he deceive the public by simultaneously starting to withdraw troops while still conducting a large military operation, but he also deceived himself by ultimately being convinced that the stalemated war was somehow miraculously winnable. However, the deceit must stop there, for no one should be beguiled into believing that honor accompanied the peace in 1975. The constant deceptions demonstrated that this simply was not the case. 4.) If Nixon was more confident in his policies, and if he transposed that confidence onto the battlefield while keeping the initial motives and focus of the war in tact perhaps not only would he have achieved peace with honor, but may have also achieved victory. However, the complete opposite occurred. Only Nixon is to blame, not some guy in a suit and tie standing in front of a camera.Actually one of the best papers I've ever written So suck on that you tosser |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2008 20:59:42 GMT -5
You're always fucking banging on about cliches. Oh, and one last thing; stop presenting your fucking opinion as though it's fact. It's arrogant. I'm not. The nimrod who is claiming that we're judging songs based on the song writer is basing that off of what he percieves to be as 'fact' If you actually read through the posts, you would see i dont care whether he likes MOS or not. Everyone has their own opinions. It's the idiocy of him claiming we're judging songs on the song writers. Which is wrong - and that is a fact |
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 27, 2008 21:56:45 GMT -5
Alright, that's fair enough.
It just begs the question: if you're intelligent enough to construct sentences so complex, it's clear you have a good grasp of the English language; in which case, how do you perceive any real difference between one cliche and another? And how do you even consider said 'cliches' acceptable for a band of Oasis' calibre?
I ask because - as a songwriter myself - I can honestly say that the aforementioned cliches (and a number of Noel's, for that matter) would never have made it beyond my bedroom door; let alone onto a fucking studio album.
Lucky for me I can enjoy the songs regardless. Mainly because they're tunes.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2008 22:38:57 GMT -5
Alright, that's fair enough. It just begs the question: if you're intelligent enough to construct sentences so complex, it's clear you have a good grasp of the English language; in which case, how do you perceive any real difference between one cliche and another? And how do you even consider said 'cliches' acceptable for a band of Oasis' calibre? I ask because - as a songwriter myself - I can honestly say that the aforementioned cliches (and a number of Noel's, for that matter) would never have made it beyond my bedroom door; let alone onto a fucking studio album. Lucky for me I can enjoy the songs regardless. Mainly because they're tunes. I'd rather songs not have cliches and be original instead. But if it's gonna have a cliche in it, at least use a good cliche or put a twist in it. I've stated a few times why I hate the "Goals" line in ABWR....I've heard that statement every year several times since 6th grade. It makes me sick now, and the last place I want to hear it again is in a song of my favorite rock band. Keep the dream alive is a cliche too, but it's not over used, and it's more of a rejuvinating line than a preachy line (which "Entertain your goals" is) As for the twist i mentioned - this is what makes Oasis, particularly Noel, great. (If I had to compare my writing style to a lyricist, it would be Noel) - Noel is great for the one liners/couplets. A few examples of what I mean: 1.) They are sleeping while they dream - Magic Pie 2.)The clouds around your soul don't gather there for nothing But I can chase them all away - GITDS 3.)I took a walk with my fame Down memory lane I never did find my way back - Hey Now Of course there's many others, but I'm not going to go through every Oasis song lol, you get the idea Oasis and again particularly Noel, often takes a cliche and expands it and makes it somewhat unique.....--> The song Keep the Dream Alive is another good example of this....it takes a cliche but expands it ABWR is not creative in the same way as the songs mentioned above. Likewise, Coldplays Viva La Vida - although I do like it - it too doesn't build from it's cliche, but rather is just a song constructed with many different cliches.....not original at all. At least MOS/KTDA etc are original (to more of an extent than ABWR is) |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2008 22:41:32 GMT -5
In a nut shell:
ABWR/Viva La Vida: Just cliches, nothing more
MOS/KTDA/etc: Cliches are used as a template and help formulate the song, but are then built upon
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Post by brumoscardo on May 28, 2008 1:32:30 GMT -5
Don't you fucking dare saying anything bad about A Bell Will Ring and Keep The Dream Alive.
Great fucking tunes. Listen carefully. You bitches.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 28, 2008 1:45:33 GMT -5
Don't you fucking dare saying anything bad about A Bell Will Ring and Keep The Dream Alive. Great fucking tunes. Listen carefully. You bitches. lol post of the thread  |
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Post by Smige on May 28, 2008 6:02:37 GMT -5
I swear in MoS it is "10/10 all night". I know the lyrics book says "right" but it really sounds like that.
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Post by halftheworld on May 28, 2008 8:48:55 GMT -5
keep the dream alive + a bell will ring are amazing!
lyla + turn up the sun are great openers!
meaning of soul is too short to skip (what actually makes it pretty cool... ;D)
BUT:
the importance of being idle fucking pisses me of.
noels voice is more annoying than my alarm clock in the morning.
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Post by paceoasisstc on Jun 6, 2008 10:49:23 GMT -5
Don't you fucking dare saying anything bad about A Bell Will Ring and Keep The Dream Alive. Great fucking tunes. Listen carefully. You bitches. Agreed. KTDA was the best offering from DBTT with TIOBI, ABWR and POTQ close behind IMO. |
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