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Post by deasy on Jul 9, 2011 17:46:29 GMT -5
HAHA. Well, some people count them as British... TBH, I dont' like them, so I don't class them as British... But there are some people that do... so, y'know... If you want, I can change it and say that U2 are an exception... but they're bloody close enough to Britain! I'd like you to say that to U2 or anyone from Dublin
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Post by Shockmaster on Jul 10, 2011 12:27:47 GMT -5
HAHA. Well, some people count them as British... TBH, I dont' like them, so I don't class them as British... But there are some people that do... so, y'know... If you want, I can change it and say that U2 are an exception... but they're bloody close enough to Britain! I'd like you to say that to U2 or anyone from Dublin Do we have anyone from Dublin in the house? Or Bono? I WILL say it! haha!
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Post by heathenchemistry02 on Jul 15, 2011 8:49:14 GMT -5
i've been ignoring this post for a couple days... can't take it
no they are not. no one is... not until they come up.
they had 1 big album... and that's it. Their album titles are stupid, their song titles are stupid.
They not a bad band, they're alright. They lack artistic touch I think. THey lack attitude...
and most importantly they aren't even 2nd fiddle to Oasis... they are like 3rd or 4th fiddle.
Are they the closest thing to Oasis right now? probably yes
that doesn't make them the next coming of them
they are not a band that makes me excited or gives me chills...
very very very average
their greatest hits would be like taking 2 songs from the masterplan and the rest covers or something
it's very average... nothing there
arctic monkeys? come on man
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Post by deasy on Jul 15, 2011 10:42:08 GMT -5
i've been ignoring this post for a couple days... can't take it no they are not. no one is... not until they come up. they had 1 big album... and that's it. Their album titles are stupid, their song titles are stupid. They not a bad band, they're alright. They lack artistic touch I think. THey lack attitude... and most importantly they aren't even 2nd fiddle to Oasis... they are like 3rd or 4th fiddle. Are they the closest thing to Oasis right now? probably yes that doesn't make them the next coming of them they are not a band that makes me excited or gives me chills... very very very average their greatest hits would be like taking 2 songs from the masterplan and the rest covers or something it's very average... nothing there arctic monkeys? come on man Arctic Monkeys are a great band. They have 4 good albums. Great live too. No need to diss them. Their debut album is probably one of the best debuts this century also.
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Post by songbirdsally on Jul 15, 2011 11:25:23 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys are a great band. They have 4 good albums. Great live too. No need to diss them. Their debut album is probably one of the best debuts this century also. This
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Post by heathenchemistry02 on Jul 15, 2011 20:00:48 GMT -5
i've been ignoring this post for a couple days... can't take it no they are not. no one is... not until they come up. they had 1 big album... and that's it. Their album titles are stupid, their song titles are stupid. They not a bad band, they're alright. They lack artistic touch I think. THey lack attitude... and most importantly they aren't even 2nd fiddle to Oasis... they are like 3rd or 4th fiddle. Are they the closest thing to Oasis right now? probably yes that doesn't make them the next coming of them they are not a band that makes me excited or gives me chills... very very very average their greatest hits would be like taking 2 songs from the masterplan and the rest covers or something it's very average... nothing there arctic monkeys? come on man Arctic Monkeys are a great band. They have 4 good albums. Great live too. No need to diss them. Their debut album is probably one of the best debuts this century also. that may be a bit harsh on my part... my bad. I haven't listened to enough to really say that much... I have heard enough. They're good Just I don't like the comparison to the next Oasis talk and all that. I think they are really that far behind But for what they are... they're good... and that's cool
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 18, 2011 7:45:01 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys are a great band. They have 4 good albums. Great live too. No need to diss them. Their debut album is probably one of the best debuts this century also. that may be a bit harsh on my part... my bad. I haven't listened to enough to really say that much... I have heard enough. They're good Just I don't like the comparison to the next Oasis talk and all that. I think they are really that far behind But for what they are... they're good... and that's cool You're being a bit immature there, they are a great band. People compare them to Oasis because they have similar attitudes and had a similar rise to fame. Their song titles aren't 'stupid' and who gives a fuck about their album titles? They are a great band with very catchy songs that are entertaining. All that matters. Are they the next Oasis? They are not, no. But they are as close as we have come to, so far
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jul 18, 2011 17:59:44 GMT -5
I fucking love the Arctic Monkeys. But they aren't the 'Oasis' of the Generation for two reasons. 1) They really aren't Oasis. People compare the two all the time, but Arctic Monkeys stregnth is in their lyrics and how they convey the world and relationships into their words, which most of the time make much more sense than 'You're my wonderwall'. I mean, A Certain Romance probably has more lyrical content than all of Be Here Now/ (What's The Story) Morning Glory? Arctic Monkeys really lack the 'Oasis' attidude. They are the types who I see took their first limo ride as a band as a miracle, while Oasis would have been "Where the fuck have you been all this time?" Their music is also less, flowing to me. I love it, but it lacks that little bit that truly perfects the song, like in Live Forever, Slide Away, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Wonderwall, Lyla, ect. None of the Arctic Monkeys individual songs is ever going to shout out perfect to me. 2) The times have changed. Oasis managed to score number 1s all through their career. Arctic Monkeys single Crying Lightning (which I personally would be willing to call their near best song, if not my favourite) didn't come close (IIRC) . New Arctic Monkeys songs aren't gonna get number 1 unless they do exactly what they did before. Their albums probably will, but their fanbase is falling, more than I think Oasis' did (BHN fall excluded) And for those who haven't even tried Arctic Monkeys, before you shout and rant, you have to Suck It And See
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Post by Shockmaster on Jul 19, 2011 10:31:32 GMT -5
i've been ignoring this post for a couple days... can't take it no they are not. no one is... not until they come up. they had 1 big album... and that's it. Their album titles are stupid, their song titles are stupid. They not a bad band, they're alright. They lack artistic touch I think. THey lack attitude... and most importantly they aren't even 2nd fiddle to Oasis... they are like 3rd or 4th fiddle. Are they the closest thing to Oasis right now? probably yes that doesn't make them the next coming of them they are not a band that makes me excited or gives me chills... very very very average their greatest hits would be like taking 2 songs from the masterplan and the rest covers or something it's very average... nothing there arctic monkeys? come on man I fucking HATE The Arctic Monkeys. I really, really, really hate them... But you can't deny that they're doing something right. They are a good band, but Alex Turner really puts me off them. His voice gets right on my tits... And no matter how much I hate them, I couldn't deny that they're good... (That might not make sense, but it's the best way to explain it )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 16:42:30 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys have lost their fair share of fans from Whatever People Say... to Suck It and See, but they do have a strong fanbase. Humbug and Suck it and See both totaled around 120k for their first week of sales and they can still pull off sold out arena shows. They're not at Oasis level, obviously, but for a band that's only been around for five years and puts on constantly evolving material, it's very impressive.
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Post by deasy on Jul 19, 2011 21:14:21 GMT -5
^^ First Week UK Sales 2006 WPSIATWIN 363,735 2007 Favourite Worst Nightmare 227,922 2009 Humbug 96,313 2011 Suck It and See 82,424
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 3:21:49 GMT -5
I was talking worldwide. It hit the top twenty in America and hit the top ten in a number of other nations, I think it's reasonable an extra 40k was sold in that first week. It's their lowest, yes, but it was also against Adele and Lady Gaga.
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Post by deasy on Jul 20, 2011 5:56:52 GMT -5
I was talking worldwide. It hit the top twenty in America and hit the top ten in a number of other nations, I think it's reasonable an extra 40k was sold in that first week. It's their lowest, yes, but it was also against Adele and Lady Gaga. 120k is too small for worldwide 1st week with the last 2 albums. Estimated WW Sales For 1st week and 2nd Week Humbug 191,000+86,000 Suck It And See 154,000+76,000.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 15:35:18 GMT -5
I was talking worldwide. It hit the top twenty in America and hit the top ten in a number of other nations, I think it's reasonable an extra 40k was sold in that first week. It's their lowest, yes, but it was also against Adele and Lady Gaga. 120k is too small for worldwide 1st week with the last 2 albums. Estimated WW Sales For 1st week and 2nd Week Humbug 191,000+86,000 Suck It And See 154,000+76,000. Well, there ya go, even better than I thought.
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Post by Unlikely Lad on Jul 21, 2011 7:42:19 GMT -5
I'm obviously in extreme minority here, but I actually prefer Humbug and Suck it and See to their first 2 albums.
Love songs on all four albums, but I just think the 2 later ones have a much varied sound and that really appeals to me.
Anyways, Turner is a marvelous lyricist; he's got the knack to nail down situations and emotions we've all been through, while being witty and funny at the same time.
Disagree on people saying they've got the same attitude as Oasis though, he's well opened up since their beginnings, but Turner still does come across as rather reserved and shy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 14:40:24 GMT -5
I'm obviously in extreme minority here, but I actually prefer Humbug and Suck it and See to their first 2 albums. Love songs on all four albums, but I just think the 2 later ones have a much varied sound and that really appeals to me. Anyways, Turner is a marvelous lyricist; he's got the knack to nail down situations and emotions we've all been through, while being witty and funny at the same time. Disagree on people saying they've got the same attitude as Oasis though, he's well opened up since their beginnings, but Turner still does come across as rather reserved and shy. I was just thinking about this last night, I also prefer Humbug and Suck it and See to their first two albums. I find Whatever People Say... to be pretty overrated; a good album, but nothing more. I love the direction they've been going over the past few years, it's never been disappointing to me.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 21, 2011 18:54:43 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys is a good band, but that's it, they aren't extraordinary like other great bands like U2, Nirvana or Oasis, I found their first 2 albums really good and the last 2 average, the funny thing is that I prefer their last 2, but they aren't in the same level as DM or MG, other thing is that they don't have a visceral song like Slide Away, a defining generation like Live Forever, or a huge hit like Wonderwall, is all pretty ordinary.
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Post by Aman on Jul 22, 2011 15:08:49 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys generally have a great catalogue of tunes over the past 5 years and it's important to note how many great B-Sides they've had, something Oasis excelled at too...but AM of course don't have as many class B-Sides as Oasis did. Some of their demo's from before their first album are great listens too, like Cigarette Smoke.
AM's first two albums were class, with great tune after great tune from those two albums (Tunes like 505 and If You Were There... are just two examples) and the B-Sides from that era are brilliant as well. (Bigger Boys and 7 to name two).
Also the non-album single Leave Before The Lights... is top-notch.
Their last two albums have been disappointing, with probably only about 4 or 5 good tunes from those two albums...which has tarnished their reputation sadly, imo.
I actually preferred the B-Sides from Humbug to most of the tunes on the actual album. (Catapult and Fright Lined Dining Room are brilliant)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 15:14:56 GMT -5
I think the last two albums have, if anything, increased their reputation of a band that isn't afraid to change and evolve. It may of lost them fans, yes, but I feel like they're in a much better place critically. Some journalists still can't get over the fact that they, in their own way, beat the hype.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 22, 2011 15:29:58 GMT -5
While good, I find their debut grossly overrated. I'm a big fan of FWN. Humbug took me awhile to appreciate, but I finally got there. I initially really liked SIAS, but my interest has waned on that album.
Good bad, and very good live, but far from the top echelon really and you can't really define them as decade-defining, can you? (But then again, which new-ish rock acts can in this day and age?)
And before anyone says it, yes, I realize they've been only around for 5 years. But within as little as 3 years, Oasis defined not only the decade, but also a generation and helped usher in a musical movement which became to be known as Britpop. Of course, times are different now, though......
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Post by vebear on Jul 23, 2011 10:50:13 GMT -5
They are... still no way that they're even close to Oasis quality though
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Post by Level 03 on Jul 23, 2011 13:37:11 GMT -5
It's impossible now to be better than Oasis. I think Oasis were the last rock band with this kind of success and hymns like Live Forever, Morning Glory, Supersonic... Now with the internet generation, things have changed.
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Post by vebear on Jul 23, 2011 17:01:49 GMT -5
It's impossible now to be better than Oasis. I think Oasis were the last rock band with this kind of success and hymns like Live Forever, Morning Glory, Supersonic... Now with the internet generation, things have changed. ...says man who wrote this on an internet forum...
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Post by crash on Jul 23, 2011 23:44:36 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys are brilliant. Alex Turner is probably the best songwriter of his generation. But they don't have universal appeal in the same way Oasis did. And that's the point. They don't want to be like Oasis. They'll probably be remembered as a band like The Jam or even The Smiths (blasphemy?), whereas I think Oasis will sit around the U2 mark, at least in Britain. The Jam and The Smiths are revered mostly amongst music fans, whereas Oasis, U2 etc. are loved by a larger demographic. As Noel said, once the squares start buying your records, you become massive!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 0:20:07 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys are brilliant. Alex Turner is probably the best songwriter of his generation. But they don't have universal appeal in the same way Oasis did. And that's the point. They don't want to be like Oasis. They'll probably be remembered as a band like The Jam or even The Smiths (blasphemy?), whereas I think Oasis will sit around the U2 mark, at least in Britain. The Jam and The Smiths are revered mostly amongst music fans, whereas Oasis, U2 etc. are loved by a larger demographic. As Noel said, once the squares start buying your records, you become massive! Close the thread, this is the correct answer! K+
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