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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 28, 2008 21:31:14 GMT -5
I never liked U2. There's something about Bono's arrogance which is just annoying. I do like the occ song, like Sweetest Thing and Sunday Bloody Sunday
But I just figured out why Oasis is better:
Oasis are the band of the people. Noel/Liam are singing about you, me, us.
Some would say U2's lyrics are better. And in the sense, they are. They're more poetic.
But that's why I like Oasis. It's not poetic. Most Oasis tunes have meaning, and even the one's that dont have meaning have a few one liners which are great. But it connects with peoples emotions, U2 songs dont do that....at least not to the extent. They dont have that passion and attitude bring
On a musical and poetic sense, yes, U2 are better.
But I dont want to listen to Edgar Allen Poe when I want to rock out.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jan 28, 2008 23:17:37 GMT -5
Dude you have some really bizarre ideas...  |
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Post by lionsden® on Jan 28, 2008 23:27:32 GMT -5
I never liked U2. There's something about Bono's arrogance which is just annoying. I do like the occ song, like Sweetest Thing and Sunday Bloody Sunday But I just figured out why Oasis is better: Oasis are the band of the people. Noel/Liam are singing about you, me, us. Some would say U2's lyrics are better. And in the sense, they are. They're more poetic. But that's why I like Oasis. It's not poetic. Most Oasis tunes have meaning, and even the one's that dont have meaning have a few one liners which are great. But it connects with peoples emotions, U2 songs dont do that....at least not to the extent. They dont have that passion and attitude bring On a musical and poetic sense, yes, U2 are better. But I dont want to listen to Edgar Allen Poe when I want to rock out. Do you have a herpes viral infection of the eye? |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jan 29, 2008 0:14:34 GMT -5
how many times do i have to say this?
GET LAID.
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Post by shoofee on Jan 29, 2008 0:15:53 GMT -5
You're a fucking wacko.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 0:20:54 GMT -5
It's because Oasis isn't shit.
Case closed.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 29, 2008 1:07:56 GMT -5
I think it's smart actually. Different way of looking at it. Mate, the one thing i do is analyze well. It's why im - so far at least - successful. (Although, ironically, it will be my down fall cause i over analyze everything. And yeah, no shit i over analyze some things here)
Sorry for bringing a new perception to things. A new way of looking at something. Whether I'm right or wrong doesn't matter. Whether you agree or disagree is fine too. But the point of me creating these posts is so actually have a proper conversation. Save the slagging for the lounge
Ok, so you disagree i take it. But why?
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I'll expand a bit on what I mean.
Oasis and U2 are grouped together because they are the 2 biggest bands around the world, and have been for decades now.
*Yes, Oasis and U2 respect one another. And I'm sure most here like U2 too. But my 2 best friends love U2, and think Oasis is average at best (So we talk constantly about it, so that's why i brought this topic up....)
And I feel it's true. As I said, both bands are grouped together. And that's the problem. They have two different styles, essentially neither is better, and they are both the best at what they do.
From a musical standpoint, even though i hate U2, they are better.
But my point is music isn't just about lyrics. It's about passion and emotion.
So what U2 lacks with connecting to people, they gain with poetic lyrics
What Oasis lacks with poetic lyrics, they gain with connecting
Of course, it's (lyrics and emotion) arn't mutely exclusive. But they are with these 2bands.
Slag me off at your own risk! haah
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 29, 2008 1:16:57 GMT -5
Actually, I'll throw another band in there to further prove my point: Red Hot Chili Peppers
RHCP are within the best 5 bands today too - therefore up there with U2 and Oasis -- and likewise have been in the top for awhile too.
And yes, I do like RHCP. Catchy fun songs.
But their lyrics are HORRIBLE. A few tunes lyricallly are amazing, but for the most part it's nonsensical and he just rhymes.
U2/Oasis/Rolling Stones are in a league of their own as the best rock band in the world today.
RHCP are up there, 4th or 5th, but are second tier. There's a big gap between RHCP and those 3 above bands.
My point: Oasis lyrics overall arnt shit. Not at all. So dont get the wrong impression. Live Forever, Slide Away, Song Bird....I could go on forever lol. Great lyrics. Meaningful. Slightly deep.
RHCP lyrics: Mostly nonsensical. No meaning. No connectedness.
That's why, in my opinion, theres a big gap between U2/Oasis and RHCP.
Whatever, I guess at the end of the day it doesnt fucking matter. If you like a tune, then that's what its all about....
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Post by Idol on Jan 29, 2008 1:18:32 GMT -5
So what U2 lacks with connecting to people, Have you ever been at a U2 gig? I assume no, you haven't. Personally, I love both bands. The whole ''who's better'' thing is of course completely subjective...I'm just happy I can enjoy both bands whenever I want. |
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Post by caro on Jan 29, 2008 1:40:25 GMT -5
Oasis and U2 are of such different natures that it's crazy to even want to try to compare!
And sorry to break your bubble but Oasis ain't up sitting with U2 at the pantheon of rock bands (eventhough I like Oasis much better!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 3:02:37 GMT -5
So what U2 lacks with connecting to people, Have you ever been at a U2 gig? I assume no, you haven't. Personally, I love both bands. The whole ''who's better'' thing is of course completely subjective...I'm just happy I can enjoy both bands whenever I want. Seriously, even though I dislike U2, I have to admit they put on a good show. |
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Post by blaah on Jan 29, 2008 3:43:01 GMT -5
But their lyrics are HORRIBLE. A few tunes lyricallly are amazing, but for the most part it's nonsensical and he just rhymes. Even if its nonsensical and rhyming i dont think it obviously is horrible, it doesn´t have to mean the lyrics are shit. It fits with the music and the style and i think that is genius. RHCP lyrics: Mostly nonsensical. No meaning. No connectedness. Maybe they do have, but you just do not get it. Whatever, I guess at the end of the day it doesnt fucking matter. If you like a tune, then that's what its all about.... well that is all that it is about really. if you hear a tune on a radio and you like it, well thats what it is all about. You hear a tune and then you like or you dont like it. Simple. |
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Post by dearprudence on Jan 29, 2008 7:55:56 GMT -5
i dont care bout which band is better, i likem both... but I prefer Oasis
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Post by inspiredcarpet on Jan 29, 2008 8:11:55 GMT -5
i love U2, they are a great band and have written some classics (One, Running To Stand Still, I Still Havent Found..... etc) but both musically and lyrically Noel Gallagher is better than them. Noel doesnt get nearly the amount of recognition he deserves for his lyric writing, which I accept isn't helped by his playing down of it regularly. Live - Oasis are far superior, the gig is about the MUSIC, not about spectacular special effects or anything like that. In terms of different styles of music, Noel wins again, writing in many styles, and mastering all. U2 are a great band, but they're not Oasis  |
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Post by novascotialad on Jan 29, 2008 8:18:59 GMT -5
Why do I keep reading threads started by live4evr?  ? |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jan 29, 2008 15:00:39 GMT -5
i prefer Oasis, but U2 are much greater...
And about connecting to people?!?!!? You must be be completely out of your mind to say oasis connects more than U2... their lyrics are way more down to earth, I mean there are at least three or four songs that Bono wrote about his father's death, and the guy changed some lyrics in "new york" and "the hands that built america", just to honor the victims in 9/11... U2 have a much greater concern about PEOPLE, you can see what Bono does for Africa, i may I add, Noel or Liam said that he should stop caring about those PEOPLE and dedicate more to music...
Meaning, i love Oasis, and the way the lyrics sounds psychodelic, or just rock'n'roll, but to say they connect to people better than U2 it's absolutely ridiculous, probably when you say people you just mean YOU...
Oasis - Rock
U2 - People
Live4evr - stop making threads
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Post by inspiredcarpet on Jan 29, 2008 18:52:28 GMT -5
i prefer Oasis, but U2 are much greater... And about connecting to people?!?!!? You must be be completely out of your mind to say oasis connects more than U2... their lyrics are way more down to earth, I mean there are at least three or four songs that Bono wrote about his father's death, and the guy changed some lyrics in "new york" and "the hands that built america", just to honor the victims in 9/11... U2 have a much greater concern about PEOPLE, you can see what Bono does for Africa, i may I add, Noel or Liam said that he should stop caring about those PEOPLE and dedicate more to music... Meaning, i love Oasis, and the way the lyrics sounds psychodelic, or just rock'n'roll, but to say they connect to people better than U2 it's absolutely ridiculous, probably when you say people you just mean YOU... Oasis - Rock U2 - People Live4evr - stop making threads It's SO untrue to state that Noel doesn't care about people and to cite Bono's charity work as an example or "proof" that he cares more about them. Do you know how many charities Noel has supported and helped massively throughout his career? (and from the very start, not just when he became famous) Just because he doesn't shout about it - Bono fashion - doesn't mean he doesn't do it, because he does. That's what Noel was on about when he said in The Daily Telegraph in February 2007: "It's the same with U2. Play One, shut the f*ck up about Africa."
He wasn't saying not to help, he was saying to shut up about helping, because that's what he does - supports charities without getting the credit for it. Also, you mentioned about Bono writing songs for his father. Who was it exactly that gave him the title (and, if rumours are to be believed more than that) for one of these songs? Noel writes about people, too - he has written songs for Peggy, Liam, Meg, Sara......... U2 are a great band but to say they are more of a people's band is totally inaccurate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 23:53:32 GMT -5
i prefer Oasis, but U2 are much greater... And about connecting to people?!?!!? You must be be completely out of your mind to say oasis connects more than U2... their lyrics are way more down to earth, I mean there are at least three or four songs that Bono wrote about his father's death, and the guy changed some lyrics in "new york" and "the hands that built america", just to honor the victims in 9/11... U2 have a much greater concern about PEOPLE, you can see what Bono does for Africa, i may I add, Noel or Liam said that he should stop caring about those PEOPLE and dedicate more to music... Meaning, i love Oasis, and the way the lyrics sounds psychodelic, or just rock'n'roll, but to say they connect to people better than U2 it's absolutely ridiculous, probably when you say people you just mean YOU... Oasis - Rock U2 - People Live4evr - stop making threads It's SO untrue to state that Noel doesn't care about people and to cite Bono's charity work as an example or "proof" that he cares more about them. Do you know how many charities Noel has supported and helped massively throughout his career? (and from the very start, not just when he became famous) Just because he doesn't shout about it - Bono fashion - doesn't mean he doesn't do it, because he does. That's what Noel was on about when he said in The Daily Telegraph in February 2007: "It's the same with U2. Play One, shut the f*ck up about Africa."
He wasn't saying not to help, he was saying to shut up about helping, because that's what he does - supports charities without getting the credit for it. Also, you mentioned about Bono writing songs for his father. Who was it exactly that gave him the title (and, if rumours are to be believed more than that) for one of these songs? Noel writes about people, too - he has written songs for Peggy, Liam, Meg, Sara......... U2 are a great band but to say they are more of a people's band is totally inaccurate. Well put man, well put. My problem with Bono is that he comes off as so self-righteous it's disgusting. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 30, 2008 0:28:33 GMT -5
Again, missed my point. You're taking it to literally.
Bono does NOT connect with the AVERAGE person. I'm sorry. As good as Sunday Bloody Sunday is - and it is good and has a good meaning and all that -- it doesnt speak to me, you, etc
However, a song like Live Forever does speak to the average person. That is about all of us.
Oasis is the band of the average, working/middle class people.
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Post by inspiredcarpet on Jan 30, 2008 6:16:10 GMT -5
Again, missed my point. You're taking it to literally. Bono does NOT connect with the AVERAGE person. I'm sorry. As good as Sunday Bloody Sunday is - and it is good and has a good meaning and all that -- it doesnt speak to me, you, etc However, a song like Live Forever does speak to the average person. That is about all of us. Oasis is the band of the average, working/middle class people. Don't agree with the last comment - the beauty and perfection of Noel Gallagher's music is that it appeals to all people: young, old, well-off, working class, people who love rnr, people who love ballads, those who analyse music, those who simply like to put stg on to listen to etc etc Oasis is the band for everybody, probably uniquely so (The Beatles being the only other possible band in this category - maybe...........) |
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Post by inspiredcarpet on Jan 30, 2008 6:17:56 GMT -5
It's SO untrue to state that Noel doesn't care about people and to cite Bono's charity work as an example or "proof" that he cares more about them. Do you know how many charities Noel has supported and helped massively throughout his career? (and from the very start, not just when he became famous) Just because he doesn't shout about it - Bono fashion - doesn't mean he doesn't do it, because he does. That's what Noel was on about when he said in The Daily Telegraph in February 2007: "It's the same with U2. Play One, shut the f*ck up about Africa."
He wasn't saying not to help, he was saying to shut up about helping, because that's what he does - supports charities without getting the credit for it. Also, you mentioned about Bono writing songs for his father. Who was it exactly that gave him the title (and, if rumours are to be believed more than that) for one of these songs? Noel writes about people, too - he has written songs for Peggy, Liam, Meg, Sara......... U2 are a great band but to say they are more of a people's band is totally inaccurate. Well put man, well put. My problem with Bono is that he comes off as so self-righteous it's disgusting. As an artist, I respect him hugely. As a person, I think he's an arrogant, up-himself, self-obsessed, egotistical tit!!  |
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Post by Rattleduser on Jan 30, 2008 6:39:29 GMT -5
U2>Oasis
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Post by inspiredcarpet on Jan 30, 2008 9:36:20 GMT -5
  based upon what? songwriting - NoelG, music - NoelG, live performances - Oasis/NoelG's solo gigs etc etc which particular area do you think U2 are actually superior to Oasis in??
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Post by Rattleduser on Jan 30, 2008 10:10:19 GMT -5
greater in some areas about the same in others, still prefer Oasis though
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 30, 2008 21:35:00 GMT -5
This is cut from the NME 2006 review of Stop The Clocks. Great review. But this segment shows what I mean when I said Oasis connects with people:
To understand these songs is to know what if feels like to be 18 years old, with a great haircut and a great set of clothes, walking into a club with more heart and hope than dough, and thinking - metaphorically at least - "Everyone in this shithole is going to suck my fucking dick." These are songs about triumph and adversity ('Talk Tonight'); about having nothing and wanting everything ('Rock'N'Roll Star'); about being pissed off with the world, yet coming from such a poor lot, you're too pathetically educated to be able to express such rage linguistically, and anyway, the cool-as-fuck, forever iconic, six-syllable stretched pronunciation of 'Im-ag-in-aay-shee-en' says everything you want to say much more succinctly ('Cigarettes & Alcohol'). It's also about fighting - and, if you take into account Oasis' much underappreciated, career best dewy side ('Slide Away', 'Wonderwall', 'Don't Look Back In Anger'), forgiving. Put plainly and simply, these are songs about every intake of air that goes into your lungs, swills about inside you for a bit, and then returns from where it arrived. These are songs that chronicle the experience of life.
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